Linux-Advocacy Digest #578, Volume #33 Fri, 13 Apr 01 15:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Chad Everett)
Re: New virus attacks Linux and MS OS (Mikkel Breiler)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Bill Todd")
Re: MS and ISP's ("Seán Ó Donnchadha")
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: invitation letter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes (T. Max Devlin)
Re: MS and ISP's (T. Max Devlin)
Re: MS and ISP's (T. Max Devlin)
Re: MS and ISP's (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Paul Repacholi)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (T. Max Devlin)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Baseball (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Baseball (T. Max Devlin)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer. (T. Max Devlin)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (T. Max Devlin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Apr 2001 12:10:28 -0500
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:09:49 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Everett
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on 12 Apr 2001 17:09:51 -0500
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:23:02 -0600, Jerry Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>says...
>>>
>>>[ ... ]
>>>
>>>> Yes, and you can construct bad trees that require exponential time to
>>>> search -- in reality it rarely happens [/me sticks his neck out on
>>>> that assertation].
>>>
>>>You're not really sticking it out very far -- testing with
>>>generational scavengers seems to agree quite closely.
>>>
>>>> If you view a program as a tree of objects,
>>>> stemming from the root object, you would end up with a tree and not a
>>>> list, albeit with circular references.
>>>
>>>Which is to say that it's a graph, not a tree. A tree would be an
>>>acyclic graph, where this is a more general graph that may contain
>>>cycles.
>>
>>A tree is an acyclic, connected graph, not just acyclic.
>
>Pedant point: so is a DAG. :-)
>
>A tree needs to include the requirement that nodes aren't entered
>more than once (they can be exited as many times as required, however).
>
This is not a requirement of a tree. It is a property of a tree when
it is explored. A tree is an acyclic, connected graph...period.
Hey this is fun! :)
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From: Mikkel Breiler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New virus attacks Linux and MS OS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:27:32 +0200
"Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The same goes if a Windows 2000 is 'properly administered'.
"Properly administered"? Like doing fdisk /dev/hda, wiping everything
and loading Slackware? ;)
>The problem is that, most users DO NOT set up user accounts, policies, and
>security on their home machines.
Which is why boot'n'install p'n'p homeuser marketed Linux
distributions ought to seal all holes before the user shoot
him/herself in the foot.
Like removing the frontdoor to your house and installing a Linux door,
where the lock is not working. The key is turning and metal is moving
around but the door isn't locked.......
>Most Linux users that I know boot into root and stay there. The easiest of
>all attack is to somehow get the user to launch an executable (maybe it was
>titled Quake 3 preview or something).
I am like that too, most stuff works as root, otherwise I'd have to
pay attention to stuff I'd don't need to guard when at home and not
connected. My netted box is another matter. And will be an entirely
different matter once/if I get a 24hr xDSL/cabled service going.
>Then, silently, install you virus without letting the user know.
Only happens if you let people get to your system. If it doesn't need
to be connected, you only install stuff yourself by compiling source,
and pay attention to what is up and running, and perhaps install the
odd security update, and maybe even top it of with some intrusion
audit, hey you are there. Those for whom it matters the road to harden
their installation is present, tools are there for the pickin', for
other OS'es with far more holes and less solutions and nearly every
solution is to pay for no wonder people say OK i can backup my data,
and install it all in case something happens, and when it does, the
backup wasn't done, it is hell to get the virus off or insstall the
system cos they never did that. The OS and stuff was preloaded for
them.
>The fact is, most virus writers target windows... and it costs the economy
>money. It also has the effect of making Windows OSes better over time...
"Better over time", in what way would that be?
-breiler
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From: "Bill Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:09:16 -0400
"Dennis O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9b68v3$a7v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Peter da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ...
> > Aaron, old bean, would you mind editing the messages you're replying to
just
> > a tad? Thanks.
>
> Is it just me, or is "Aaron R Kulkis" on anyone else's
> send-resume-direct-to-trashcan list ? Between the
> crossposting, the rants, and the abusive .sig, there
> is no way I'd agree to hiring him, no matter how smart
> he may be or may think he is.
Whether he's someone who will benefit from such observations seems
questionable But since you ask, my own impression is that he's at least
someone who seriously misconstrues the advice that a man's reach should
exceed his grasp.
- bill
[Follow-ups un-set: ask here, get a response here.]
> --
> Dennis O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Vanity Web Page http://www.primenet.com/~dmoc/
> Follow-ups set.
>
>
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From: "Seán Ó Donnchadha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:16:47 -0400
"JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > What is this thing you call "right"? And why should we imagine you have
> > any better idea of what that abstraction pertains to then you do for
> > "monopoly", which you've obviously simply made up an almost random
> > definition for?
>
> mo·nop·o·ly
> n., pl. mo·nop·o·lies.
>
> 1.) Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or selling a
> commodity or service.
> 2.) Law. A right granted by a government giving exclusive control over a
> specified commercial activity to a single party.
>
JS, haven't you learned yet that neither logic, nor dictionary definitions,
nor popular definitions, nor legal terms, nor anything else will stop idiots
like Troll M. Devlin from "thinking harder"? The man is a fucking *ZEALOT*,
which makes him about as capable of rational thought as a canned sardine.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:22:42 +0100
"kirk@do_not_spam" wrote:
>
> I spend the last 3 hours trying to mount a CD on linux and finally
> gave up. I wasted too much time. Booted windows NT, stuck the CD in,
> and on I went to work.
>
Christ, you must be a slow typist!
<detail snipped for sake of humour>
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: invitation letter
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:24:51 +0100
Youri Podchosov wrote:
>
> --
> LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
> L Youri N. Podchosov (ynp) /// Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] L
> L Senior NOC Engineer ())) Web: http://www.ynp.net L
> L Digital Telemedia, Inc. /// B:212-625-5365 H:718-680-9024 L
> LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Youri N. Podchosov
> 139 72nd Street
> Brooklyn, NY 11209
> (718) 680-9024
>
>
> April 12, 2001
>
>
> Consular Section
> U.S. Embassy to Ukraine
> vul. Mykoly Pymonenka, 6
> Kiev 01901
> Ukraine
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Sir/Madam:
>
>
> I, Youri N. Podchosov, would like to invite my daughter, Yuliya
> Degtyaryova, to visit us in the United States this summer for
> two and a half months starting around the middle of June. For
> the entire period of staying in the U.S., my daughter will live
> with us at the following address: 139 72nd St., Brooklyn, NY 11209,
> tel. (718) 680-9024.
>
> I am currently employed at Digital Telemedia, Inc. (DTI, 11 Beach
> St., 3rd Fl., New York, NY 10013, tel. (212) 625-5300), as a Senior
> Network Operation Center Engineer, and I have the necessary finances
> to support my daughter in the U.S. All related expenses, including
> airfare, accommodation and required insurance are my sole
> responsibility.
>
> I request you to grant her a multiple entry B-2 visa to facilitate
> her entry and stay in the U.S.
>
> In case you have any further questions please feel free to contact me.
>
>
> Sincerely,
That is perhaps some of the most cryptic spam I've ever seen
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:24:53 GMT
Said "Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in alt.destroy.microsoft on
[...]
>Ummm... MS has a monopoly ON THE DESKTOP.
MS has a monopoly FOR PC OSES.
>The server arena is an entirely different matter.
The size of the server arena is sufficiently smaller in numbers compared
to the size of the desktop arena that it makes no difference at all
whether MS has a monopoly in "servers"; it has a monopoly on OSes for
PCs, regardless of their role or construction.
>And, having a monopoly isn't criminal. Regarding the trial: the court will
>overturn the rule and MS will eventually win. (My prediction :)
To whit: Section 2 of the Sherman Act: It is a felony to monopolize or
attempt to monopolize. Those are the actual words used, and so I submit
that you are wrong, and having a monopoly is criminal. The prosecution
has to *prove* you monopolized or attempted to monopolize, of course, so
if you manage to create a reasonable doubt (not very easy, actually)
then what you did was not criminal. But this merely proves that what
you did was not monopolizing, nor attempting to monopolize, for if it
were either, it would be against the law. Get it?
>> If with that built-in guarantee, they still cannot cut it. Linux's
>> momentum is astounding; NT's is basically flat!
>
>This is true, however. Linux is able to take hold where the cost of the OS
>is significant. For most big corporations, the cost of the OS is small in
>comparison to labor costs...
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:24:54 GMT
Said Chris Ahlstrom in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 10 Apr 2001
23:56:09 GMT;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>>
>> Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:54:57
>> [...]
>> >The only thing Microsoft has a monopoly on, it seems, is the brain
>> >power, the succesful management, and the competency to create a world-class
>> >OS in a corporate environment WHILE making money at the same time.
>>
>> You know, if it weren't patently obvious to computer professionals that
>> this "world-class OS' is an unreliable piece of crap, you might have a
>> point there, Chad. As it stands, though, it kind of blows your theory,
>> big time.
>
>Well, T., he got the part about making money right, big-time. Microsoft
>is very good at what it does, just like Philip Morris or R.J. Reynolds.
Please, call me Max. And this is, I guess, another one of my little
"mind games", also known as "word games", also known as "accurate,
consistent, and practical terminology". I do not consider what MS did
to be "making money", unless you use the phrase within the context of
counterfeiting. The problem with tobacco companies is quite opposite:
their product is far too reliable. But I do see what you mean; it would
require stretching the point to pretend these are entirely unrelated
issues.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:24:55 GMT
Said InBiz in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:00:33 -0400;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:54:57
>> [...]
>> >The only thing Microsoft has a monopoly on, it seems, is the brain
>> >power, the succesful management, and the competency to create a
>world-class
>> >OS in a corporate environment WHILE making money at the same time.
>>
>> You know, if it weren't patently obvious to computer professionals that
>> this "world-class OS' is an unreliable piece of crap, you might have a
>> point there, Chad. As it stands, though, it kind of blows your theory,
>> big time.
>
>And the fact that you, in all your supposed "professionalism" are only able
>to use Windows 98 speaks volumes about your credibility.
I use Win95b. I wouldn't touch Win98, or any other OS after NT4 (sp4),
even if you paid me. I have my supposed professionalism to worry about,
after all. And as far as being "only" able to use it, that's due to
MS's illegal activity, not any lack of competence on my part. I can
also use Solaris, HP-UX, SCO, Linux, Mac, and probably any other OS you
throw at me. Ironically, as you noted, I am instead using the crappiest
one of the bunch: Windows. And then supposedly it is sour grapes, and
I've no right to complain about the monopoly, since I am simply a victim
of it.
Such idiocy really pisses me off, when it comes right down to it.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:24:56 GMT
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 11 Apr 2001
[...]
>Not only that, but Gates...excuse me, William Gates III, is
>an elitist trust-fund baby....
Actually, he's really William Henry Gates the IV, but legally his name
is simply William Henry Gates. The pretentious "the third" didn't show
up until he was a very rich man.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
From: Paul Repacholi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Apr 2001 01:18:23 +0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jerry
> Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Quite the contrary: he (Judge Jackson) decided that Microsoft had
> > a monopoly position because as a "finding of fact" he ruled that
> > Windows was the entire market being judged.
> Since the financial barrier to running a business on any othre
> platform is so high that only a few brave souls attempt it. When
> Dennis Ritchie comes to Usenix and uses Windows aids for a talk
> prepared on Windows, I think we simply have to accept the fact that
> Windows *is* a market all by itself.
> I can't think of another OS for which that could be considered even
> vaguely true.
Too true. All the EV7 Powerpuke slides as an example. Plus foo knows
how many SW and HW vendors, who give you the choise of windows or
walk!
--
Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
+61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda.
West Australia 6076
Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:29:43 GMT
Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:51:47
>t. max dumbass:
>> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:30:34
>> -0600;
>> >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Anything with a command line is easier to learn, of course, because it
>> >> is simpler
>> >
>> >i just wanted to see that again
>>
>> And I bet the last thing in the world you wanted was for me to explain
>> it. You're such a putz, pretending like typing is somehow impossible.
>
>now that you mention it i wonder how many people can type with sufficient
>accuracy to effectively make use of the command line...
There's no time limit, and I would suppose that figuring out how
back-space isn't all that hard. Of course, this is why command line
editing is available in all the modern shells.
>but what i originally had in mind was the difference between memorizing
>a whole series of cryptic commands and just pulling down the menus and
>seeing what they say.
Yes, I know. But the point is it doesn't matter what you "originally
had in mind", because you were responding (trolling, as it were) to my
statement, and that is not what I had in mind. Get it? Your
understanding is hand-waving, mine is how things really work. Menus are
handy, menus are fine, menus are powerful. Those "cryptic commands",
however, are always and without exception SIMPLER, because they require
no understanding whatsoever; just the ability to read, and some very
straight forward (certainly in comparison to mouse techniques) motor
skills.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:34:44 GMT
Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:22:23
>t. max dumbass:
>> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:23:24
[...]
>> >thank you for proving my point
>>
>> You don't have a point.
>
>if you can't see it you aren't quite so clever as you think.
I know the point you are pretending to have. It isn't hard to pick up
your point; "Windows is so easy that brain-dead people can use it and
this is not possible with Unix." It is that the point is mistaken,
seriously flawed, let's just break down and say it: it is wrong.
Windows isn't any easier for the brain-dead, and Unix isn't any harder
for the brain-dead. Windows itself, however, is brain-dead, so even the
brain-dead users are better off with Unix.
>> >> Real user-friendly GUI scenario for a newbie, eh?
>> >
>> >and that makes the case for linux... how exactly?
>>
>> Free market competitive development beats "whatever way whoever built
>> the proprietary crapware thinks is the right way."
>
>why, if that is the case, haven't the linuxoids trumped microsoft by
>completely eradicating the command line trauma so vividly described
>above? *
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
>* as you really aren't too bright i better spell this out:
>
>completely eradicating means that under no circumstance does the user
>ever face the command line, no matter what they want to accomplish
Why? What stupidity on your part could convince you that removing some
alternative interface method is somehow an improvement, and yet still
leave you enough brains to eat breakfast?
>men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
>more even than death
>- bertrand russell
And apparently, Jackie fears the command line more even than he fears
thought.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Baseball
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:35:16 GMT
Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:55:12
-0600;
>t. max dumbass:
>> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 8 Apr 2001 07:19:39
>> -0600;
>> >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:39:05
>> >> -0600;
>> >> >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:44:45
>> >> >> >aaron wrote:
>> >> >> >> Anonymous wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > Maybe Microsoft will go the full monty and deliver a stable OS for
>once?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > why don't you do something to make unix as easy to use as windows while
>> >> >> >> > retaining the former's stability and put microsoft out of business?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> It's been so for well over a DECADE, jackie.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >so you're saying that in 1991 there was a unix system as easy to use as
>> >> >> >windows is today?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To someone who knows how to use it, Unix is easy to use. To someone who
>> >> >> does not know how to use it, Windows is hard to use.
>> >> >
>> >> >which one is easier to learn to use?
>> >>
>> >> Unix, without a doubt. I've taught ignorant people both, and there is
>> >> no comparison. Unix is more powerful than many people feel comfortable
>> >> with, of course, as they're insecure and unimaginative, as they've been
>> >> taught to be. But Unix is undisputably easier.
>> >
>> >the emperor's new OS
>>
>> Quite trolling me, you little worm. You are not EVEN entertaining
>> enough to be worth my time flaming.
>
>SCORE!!!!
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
>tee hee!
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. What a putz.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Baseball
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:37:59 GMT
Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:12:02
-0600;
>t. max dumbass:
>> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:07:20
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> No way. It's what makes computing so much fun.
>> >
>> >for most people computing is something they endure to get things done.
>>
>> That's because they're stuck using monopoly crapware.
>
>actually the software you refer to is the only thing that allows them to
>get anything done at all.
"Them"? Or YOU?
>until you understand why a mouse based windowing system with a consistent
>interface is, from the point of view of endusers, an improvement you will
>never contribute anything constructive to the already confused effort to
>defeat microsoft and its emperor.
Now if only Windows had a consistent interface or was an improvement. I
wasn't really talking about how crappy the interface itself is; the
sorry performance and pathetic stability is more what I mean by
"monopoly crapware". But of course the interface has not gotten a
"pass". Still my favorite is people who can look at "Explorer", with
its "some of these are directories, some are just a mirage of something
in the registry", and then tell me that the interface is consistent.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:38:36 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Quantum Leaper wrote:
> >
> > "The Danimal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Anonymous wrote:
> > > > what is the per capita income in china?
> > > > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> > >
> > > Your tax dollars at work:
> > >
> > > China:
> > > http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ch.html#Econ
> > > GDP: purchasing power parity - $4.8 trillion (1999 est.)
> > > GDP - real growth rate: 7% (1999 est.)
> > > GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $3,800 (1999 est.)
> > > Population: 1,261,832,482 (July 2000 est.)
> > >
> > > U.S.A.:
> > > http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html#Econ
> > > GDP: purchasing power parity - $9.255 trillion (1999 est.)
> > > GDP - real growth rate: 4.1% (1999 est.)
> > > GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $33,900 (1999 est.)
> > > Population: 275,562,673 (July 2000 est.)
> > >
> > > Linux has a possible future in China. The lower Chinese per capita
> > > income makes a free operating system much more attractive, even
> > > if it takes longer to learn. I.e., the time of the average Chinese
> > > person is ten times cheaper. Besides, they have to learn to read
> > > Chinese, so it's not like they can have the same cultural fixation
> > > with ease of use.
> > >
> >
> > One problem, do you really want to spend 1/4 to 1/8 of your annual
income
> > to buy a computer?
>
> lots of college students do exactly that.
>
So your saying lots of college students, make under 4 grand a year?
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:41:20 GMT
Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:20:37
>t. max dumbass:
[...]
>> Do you always defend a company's right to rip off their customers,
>
>i defend a company's right to sell products on whatever terms they can
>negotiate with vendors and consumers. if i as a consumer dislike those
>terms i can take my business elsewhere.
Just like magic. Ignore everything to the contrary, and you can easily
convince yourself of anything.
>however all things considered i consider windows to be a real bargain.
I guess some people are just too stupid to know what "self-interest" is.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:43:00 GMT
Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:30:29
>t. max dumbass:
>> Said Anonymous in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:33:29
>> [...]
>> >> So, what you're saying is that a large portion of the population is dumb as
>> >> a post, if not dumber.
>> >
>> >no, i'm saying that hostility to consumer needs is a bug not a feature.
>>
>> No, 'hostility to consumer needs' is a smoke-screen for apologizing for
>> the monopoly, not a supportable argument.
>
>if microsoft were really a monopoly linux would not exist.
Why do you say that? Is it merely because you do not understand the
word you are using, or is it because you would like it to mean something
different than what it does?
>as to your hostility to consumer needs
>you're soaking in it.
I am not hostile to consumer needs; that's just a straw man you keep
throwing up because I am not as brain-dead as you.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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