Linux-Advocacy Digest #740, Volume #33           Sat, 21 Apr 01 03:13:02 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Why do Win advocates suck?  Part 1 (GreyCloud)
  Re: Why do Win advocates suck?  Part 1 (GreyCloud)
  Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM (GreyCloud)
  Re: Red Hat has become scary? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Why do Win advocates suck?  Part 1 ("pookoopookoo")
  Re: Why do Win advocates suck?  Part 1 (Ray Chason)
  Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1 (GreyCloud)
  Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Ctrl-Alt-Windows (GreyCloud)
  Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Ray Chason)
  Re: Stress Co-operation, not Hateful Competition ("mmnnoo")
  Re: Red Hat has become scary? (GreyCloud)
  Re: Red Hat has become scary? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (GreyCloud)

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck?  Part 1
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:00:55 -0700

Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> 
> <snype>
> >
> > It's like this.  Sure, Linux is robust and it stays up and running
> > compared to Windows 98 (or whatever version).  But having a computer
> > and its OS stay up is quite boring if there are no applications to
> > run on the damn thing!  I mean, sitting there all day long listening
> > to the computer fan while Linux runs and I have no apps to play with
> > doesn't exactly give me a woody!
> >
> > If you are into sitting around listening to a computer fan all day,
> > then Linux is for you.  If you like hot rodding around with the latest
> > and coolest commercial, shareware, and freeware apps, then Windows is
> > the only choice!
> >
> > I didn't make the rules, this is just the way it is for right now.
> 
> I have Civilisation, Simcity 3000 for Linux, for wordprocessing,
> spreadsheet and presentations I used StarOffice 5.2, btw is very stable,
> I used for University studies.  The old argument that Linux lacks the
> apps is based on nothing but pure FUD. I could accept that if you
> heavily relied on Macros for your work, then maybe StarOffice is not the
> best option, however, the general home user never uses those options.
> Most just jump on the computer and start typing a letter etc etc, hence,
> StarOffice would suit the average user.
> 
> Matthew Gardiner
> 
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
> 
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
> 
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
> 
> The best of German engineering, now in software form

Hehehe.... I guess he only earned a Win-Troll-ometer rating of .2.

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck?  Part 1
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:02:31 -0700

Zorostorer wrote:
> 
>  > I have Civilisation, Simcity 3000 for Linux, for wordprocessing,
> > spreadsheet and presentations I used StarOffice 5.2, btw is very stable,
> > I used for University studies.
> 
> That's what i heard almost a year ago; meanwhile, Windows at least boasts
> new entertainment software everyday.  You may enjoy using the same apps for
> Infinity, but many still like variety in the games they play, you know.
> 
>   The old argument that Linux lacks the
> > apps is based on nothing but pure FUD.
> 
> Can I run commercial level applications like Softimage 3d, Protel, Orcad,
> Cadence, Hudini commercial applications on Linux (of course there are 100
> more commercial apps i could mention)?   Can I play games like Homeworld,
> Starcraft, < and the list goes on> on Linux?  I would like to run these
> without capatablily problems and configuration script mayhem, as i'm sure
> you will mention wine or VMware, both of which don't diliver 100%
> capatability, reliability or -- more importantly -- speed.  So, no, it's not
> FUD, dude.
> 

You must love the color blue a lot then. (BSOD)


> >
> > --
> > I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
> >
> > If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
> >
> > Running SuSE Linux 7.1
> >
> > The best of German engineering, now in software form
> 
> Last I remember, Linus and the rest of the crew are the ones behind the
> Engineering.  Hmm.......
> 
> Matt

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:03:42 -0700

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I am just so tired of XEmacs. It crashes all the time. It does not have drag
> and drop support. Lisp is next to impossible to learn. I have to type basillions
> of stupid keystrokes to get the most trivial tasks accomplished. My left
> wrist is hurting from hitting C- and ESC- keys constantly. I have recently
> discovered VIM, a great programmers' editor (www.vim.org). All keystrokes are
> easy and fast, everything works, it creates backup files and so on. I am
> switching.
> 
> rm -rf /usr/local/lib/xemacs /usr/local/bin/xemacs .emacs `find / -name \*emacs\*`

OOpsss!  troll-o-meter rating 1.5

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:10:02 -0400

Ray Chason wrote:
> 
> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Its like during
> >the 70s, the quality of US cars were going further down hill, whilst the
> >Japanese made cars were superior and cheaper, yet, no sepo's bought
> >them.
> 
> On what planet?  Chrysler nearly went belly-up and had to go crying
> to the gummint for a bailout.  (But at least they paid it back, with
> interest.)

Yeah...BECAUSE OF THE FOREIGN COMPETITION, you ignorant git...

And then Lee Iococca came along, and said 'the only way we can
survive is if we start IMPROVING OUR PRODUCTS!"



> 
> --
>  --------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
>          PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
>                             Delenda est Windoze


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

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K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: "pookoopookoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck?  Part 1
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:10:26 -0400

> I have Civilisation, Simcity 3000 for Linux, for wordprocessing,
> spreadsheet and presentations I used StarOffice 5.2, btw is very stable,
> I used for University studies.  The old argument that Linux lacks the
> apps is based on nothing but pure FUD. I could accept that if you
> heavily relied on Macros for your work, then maybe StarOffice is not the
> best option, however, the general home user never uses those options.
> Most just jump on the computer and start typing a letter etc etc, hence,
> StarOffice would suit the average user.
>
> Matthew Gardiner

Hehe, come on matt...

Seriously, where's Illustrator? Photoshop? Quark Xpress? Indesign? Flash?
Colin McRae Rally? Half-Life? Flight Simulator? Dreamweaver? Director? Shall
I go on?

None of these apps have even similar-quality equivalents in Linux.

I use Staroffice 5.2 also btw. It's great (for those rare times when I
actually need an office suite). What the guy said isn't FUD, it's the god's
honest truth. For a regular joe user, Linux is useless. It's great for
programmers, but that's about all. If you want to get some R&R or do any
kind of design-related jobbie, linux is sort of a dead end. Also, I'm not
sure why they call win98 bloatware, when my Mandrake 7.2 install took up
almost a gig and a half.

It's ok in an office environment though, if office work is all it's going to
be doing. Linux is a really good turnkey OS but not great at doing many
varied things. That falls squarely in the court of Windows / MacOS. Unless
it's games. Than there's nothing but windows (and not even 2000, just 98).



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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck?  Part 1
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 06:17:53 -0000

"Zorostorer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Can I run commercial level applications like Softimage 3d, Protel, Orcad,
>Cadence, Hudini commercial applications on Linux (of course there are 100
>more commercial apps i could mention)?   Can I play games like Homeworld,
>Starcraft, < and the list goes on> on Linux?  I would like to run these
>without capatablily problems and configuration script mayhem, as i'm sure
>you will mention wine or VMware, both of which don't diliver 100%
>capatability, reliability or -- more importantly -- speed.  So, no, it's not
>FUD, dude.

About all I keep Windoze around for is games; and the game I play
most often happens to be Nethack, anyway.  Yeah, I know, Nethack
isn't an immersive FPS; but it has developed in directions that the
big-name FPSes have ignored.  In what other game can you do battle
with hundreds of different monsters, choose from dozens of weapons
and armors, consult the Oracle, get laid, go shopping, dodge the law,
find kick-ass artifact weapons, go to hell and back, and pray for
help when all else fails?

Beyond games, if you insist on running *some particular* app, you
may be stuck with Windoze.  But if *any* app of a given type will
suit your needs, you can probably find one or six for Linux.


-- 
 --------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
         PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
                            Delenda est Windoze

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:17:04 -0700

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Gardiner says...
> >
> ><snype>.
> >> >
> >>
> >> A cynic would conclude that you're burying your head in the sand. A 44% spike in
> >> a deflating market, dot.com collapse and all, cannot be attributed to
> >> "upgrades".
> >>
> >> Were you a Lotus executive in a previous life ? :-)
> >
> >Nope, I wasn't a Lotus executive. I'd be interested who their big
> >customers were, also, if they were new, what did they migrated from, and
> >how many were upgrades and how many of them were new sales.  It is very
> >easy to give xyz figures, however, unless you have any basis for you
> >assumptions, then I suggest that you keep your trap shut.
> >
> >
> 
> One can come to a conclusion that even a 2-hour session with MS accountants
> would leave you "unconvinced".

LOL!  You can never trust a corporate accountant!

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:13:47 -0400

Robert O'Dowd wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Peter da Silva wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <9bikaq$6a8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Then move the whole company over to open protocols and interfaces!  :)
> > >
> > > That turns out to be harder than it looks, unless one doesn't mind losing
> > > jobs because one can't deal with oddball Windows-only stuff that customers
> > > send you. And Star Office is just the beginning.
> >
> > Simple.  You tell them to send it back to you in a format that's useable.
> >
> > People do this all the time.
> 
> Yeah, right.   Few paying customers would be willing to go to the
> internet,
> grab a 50ish Meg file with star office, install the package, rewrite
> a document using that package, and then send you that file.

Uh, no.

YOu just tell them to use a non-proprietary format, like RTF.


> Particularly
> when they are using a widespread package such as microsoft word, and
> know you can obtain it easily.

LOTS AND LOTS OF PRINTERS ***REFUSE** to work with Microsoft formats,
and they all stay in business, MAKING MONEY.


> 
> While I agree that going to open protocols and interfaces can be a
> good thing, the real world includes customers who don't want to
> go that route.


Customers who put additional costs on the business must be prepared
to pay more for the services.



-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

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   can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Windows
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:13:32 -0700

Chad Myers wrote:
> 
> "Neil Cerutti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Brian Langenberger posted:
> > >In comp.os.linux.advocacy Roy Culley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > >: PC keyboards are crap full stop. Here I am typing on my Sun type-5
> > >: keyboard on a PC running linux. A mate built the adapter and it
> > >: works like a dream. Sun keyboards are second to none IMHO simply
> > >: because they have that wonderful keypad on the left.
> > >
> > >Or, for $60(US), get a nice Sun Type 6 keyboard with USB:
> > >
> > >http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=32807
> >
> > IBM still made a keyboard w/out the Windows keys on it a couple
> > of years ago when I went hunting for one. However, it turned out
> > to cost $54 dollars so I decided I could coexist with Microsoft
> > keys on my keyboard.
> 
> I saw a keyboard for sale a couple days ago with the "Penguin"
> key on it.
> 
> It was a post on slashdot referring to how many people get FreeBSD
> and Linux confused. It was in PCOrder or something. The add said,
> "Get a Linux keyboard for Linux!" and it showed a box of Red Hat
> and FreeBSD. ROFL.
> 
> Search slashdot, or I'll try to find the link if you can't find it.
> 
> -c

I think you can get linux keyboards now at www.linuxmall.com


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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 06:19:55 -0000

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey) wrote:

>We should just count ourselves lucky we don't have you as an advocate... 
>you're getting far too wound up for usenet, it's not that important, take a 
>few valium and relax. It'll all seem better in the morning.

s/valium/cyanide/
HTH.


-- 
 --------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
         PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
                            Delenda est Windoze

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From: "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stress Co-operation, not Hateful Competition
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 06:22:48 GMT

I'm not particularly proud of not using windows much,
at some point it just became easier and I felt more free using
Unix.  With Windows I feel someone is always trying to
jerk me around.  

I don't enjoy software nagging me to
buy upgrades, send in registration forms, shut down 
the computer properly next time (when in fact
I'm only rebooting because of an OS crash), type in
27-digit 'unlock' codes, or submit to licensing schemes
that sound alot like threats once you are not 
accustomed to them any more.  

I enjoy the freedom of using this old laptop as a remote
display for X over wireless ethernet, so that my 
memory-hogging GUI apps can run on desktop machines in 
the den without my having to sit in there all the time.
I love reducing common tasks to the few keystrokes it takes
to invoke a script, and I love the basic honesty and openness of 
linux about what is happening and why.  And occasionally, yes, 
I find it immensely helpful read source code and figure out why
something isn't working.

For someone with my software needs, the question isn't so much 
why to bash Windows, but why to bother with it at all?

In article <9a2m31$nkj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Adri an Pepper [MFCF]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Okay, so I just saw on my boss' screen the picture of a giant Tux
> squashing the Microsoft buildings like he was Godzilla.
> 
> I thought it looked pretty funny,
> 
> But realistically, there is no reason Linux can't and shouldn't be
> touted as a complementary aid to Microsoft Windows use, as opposed to a
> competive adversary.
<snip>

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:23:57 -0700

Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> 
> WesTralia wrote:
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > >
> > > <snype>
> > > >
> > > > Actually a lot of americans ask this same question... why us?
> > > > (policemen)  The corruption is so deep and wide spread that its no
> > > > wonder when an american goes overseas for a vacation that we get spit
> > > > on.  Its really sad that we have no control over them.  Its like it
> > > > doesn't matter anymore at the voting booth.
> > > > --
> > > > V
> > > After seeing the elections, I would be very scared to be an American
> > > citizen esp. when a court car over ride the peoples will.
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > If you are to continue making disparaging comments about America and her
> > people at least do so with correct spelling and sentence structure.
> >
> > In other words, you are not exactly making New Zealand look like the
> > educational mecca of the world.
> >
> > --
> New Zealands got more problems than you could poke a stick at.  I was
> simply saying what should have happened was the people will should have
> followed instead of dragging the election through the courts. Isn't
> better for an election to take a little longer in the knowledge that
> everything is above board?
> 
> Matthew Gardiner
> 
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
> 
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
> 
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
> 
> The best of German engineering, now in software form

Hehehe... none of the vote counting was above board.  When Daley came
down from Chicago, he was trying to educate them on how to make the dead
votes count...(up in chicago they let the dead vote, which is illegal as
hell). There were more lawyers in Florida than voters.  It was an
aligator infestation one called it.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:24:14 -0400

Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > >
> > > "B. R. Ivy" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone out there think that Red Hat is moving towards a proprietory OS?
> > > > I really appreciated the way that RH 7.0 installed but it almost seemed too
> > > > slick.  And now they want to bundle in the way too pretty Nautilus GUI with
> > > > 7.1.   I'd hate to wake up five years from now with another Microsoft on the
> > > > horizon. Ideas? Opinions?
> > > >
> > > > Randall Ivy
> > >
> > > The difference is that there are alternatives, such as SuSE Linux, and
> > > Mandrake.  I find it rather humourous that Sepo's don't know any
> > > products made outside the US.  Mention the words SuSE, SAP or Baan and
> > > you get blank faces, mention software such as Jade and there is even
> > > more blank faces. What the heck is wrong with people? Its like during
> > > the 70s, the quality of US cars were going further down hill, whilst the
> > > Japanese made cars were superior and cheaper, yet, no sepo's bought
> > > them. Is that xenaphobia at the extreme?
> >
> > No...just illogical arrogance based on an irrational form of nationalism.
> >
> > It's one thing to be proud of your country...it's yet another to assume
> > that all foreigners are inferior.
> > That's what got Germany, and Japan, and eventually the Soviet Union in trouble.
> 
> Hell yes. But atleast you don't see Germany or Japan trying to be the
> world policeman. They have learnt their leason.

You have to understand America's heritage to understand this.

America is a place that people came to for the purpose of escaping
horrible other places...and so, many American's have come to think
that it is our duty to replace the horrible governments with one
like ours.

Not saying that this is right...just explaining it.


>                                                  However, US still
> haven't learnt it, even with all the nut cases out there wanting to blow
> up US government buildings.  You only need to look at the US's
> involvement in Somalia to show how arrogance + ignorance = disaster.  It
> is one thing helping a country, it is another thing to tell a country
> what to do.  However, what I can say, is, the Soviet Union was the first
> to develop biological weapons, with the first one being developed, one
> carrying a antibiotic resistant strain of the smallpox virus.  The US
> said it was impossible, the Soviet Union proved them wrong.  The US had
> one space station, the Soviety union threw up 5 into orbit.  Little
> facts most people in the US fail to comprehend, that there is NO ONE
> country that has contributed to human technological advance, but many,
> and until this happens, the rampant arrogance will continue to grow.
> 
> Matthew Gardiner
> 
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
> 
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
> 
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
> 
> The best of German engineering, now in software form


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
   can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 06:16:51 GMT

Roy Culley wrote:

>>> As PG has stated on numerous occasions he isn't looking for help. He
>>> just wants to point out how crap any Linux distribution is. The problems
>>> are clearly somewhere between the keyboard and the chair.
>> 
>> That is _not_ what I'm about. Please don't put words into my mouth.
> 
> I didn't put words in your mouth. You replied to a previous post of mine
> where I suggested you look for help in the appropriate places. You replied
> that you weren't looking for help. I remember you saying the same thing
> in another thread in reply to someone else.

You said I just wanted to point out how crap any Linux distribution is - 
I'd call that putting words in my mouth.

> As I said, the problem is somewhere between the keyboard and the chair.

The problem is not "between the keyboard and the chair" but Linux itself.

-- 
Pete
Running on SuSE 7.1, Linux 2.4, KDE 2.1
Kylix: the way to go!

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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 06:18:31 GMT

Tom Wilson wrote:

>> And when said 'accelerated X configuration' actually appears _slower_
>> than the Windows equivalent... you think that's really putting it through
>> it's paces?
> 
> Not when its' improperly set up...

How do you work that out?

>> And my experience with my home machine and couple of others tells me
>> otherwise.
> 
> Perhaps you'd be better served sticking with Windows or buying a MAC,
> until things stabilize and become less technical?

Let me see, how long has Linux been lurking in the sidelines...

-- 
Pete
Running on SuSE 7.1, Linux 2.4, KDE 2.1
Kylix: the way to go!

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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:37:24 -0700

Ian Davey wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nomen Nescio 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> you're getting far too wound up for usenet, it's not that important, take a
> >> few valium and relax. It'll all seem better in the morning.
> >
> >you write like a homosexual
> 
> You write like someone who doubts their sexuality, it's normally the ones in
> the closet who go around calling everyone else homosexual.
> 

Sounds like you bumped into a homophobe Ian.


> ian.
> 
>  \ /
> (@_@)  http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> /(&)\  http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
>  | |

-- 
V

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