Linux-Advocacy Digest #740, Volume #34 Wed, 23 May 01 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("green")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Peter da Silva)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("billwg")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("green")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("green")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Charlie
Ebert)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Charlie
Ebert)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Single sign-on authentication for Novell, Windows and Linux? (Yak)
Re: Warning to new users of Windows XP (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) (rowler)
Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Chris Ahlstrom)
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:23:33 +1000
>
> That's one of the problems with Windows. MS only updates every few
> years, and the update is an entirely new product. So for example you
> couldn't just buy Windows 98SE a year or two after release with
> updated drivers and bugfixes but must instead buy Windows ME (and
> shortly XP).
>
> Linux distros, on the other hand, build on their previous base so its
> drivers get updated 3-4 times yearly.
>
<dig> Wasn't that Ms's problem building on there old 16bit dos base </dig>
occasionally you need fresh blood, not saying xp is though just windows
spewed out again.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 23 May 2001 23:55:44 GMT
In article <33VO6.683$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Leonard Fehskens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since many alphanumeric applications could get by with 50 characters
> (26 single case alphabetics, 10 numerics, and 14 punctuation and
> "carriage control" characters), "radix50" was a common encoding on the
> early PDP machines.
40 (50 octal). 40^3 = 64000, 50^3 = 125000. 64000 fit into 65535, so you could
fit 3 RAD40/RAD50 characters into a 16-bit word.
RAD40/RAD50 usually had '0'-'9', 'A'-'Z', '$', '.', '%', and ' '.
--
`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disclaimer: WWFD?
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From: "billwg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:26:42 GMT
Why guess? Read the exact quotes here:
http://www.ddj.com/articles/1994/9401/9401o/9401o.htm
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 21 May 2001
> >"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> >[snip]
> >> > > No. You disregard direct quotes from m$ execs. You do it
repeatedly. I
> >> > > gave you a direct quote form an m$ VP saying when error messages
form
> >> > > the AARD code came up, they were suppose dto plant doubt in the
user's
> >> > > minds about DR-DOS. You decided the exec couldnt have possibly
meant
> >wht
> >> > > he said.
> >> >
> >> > He didn't *say* that. You *said* he said that, but he didn't,
> >> > not in the quotes your proffered.
> >>
> >> Microsoft Vice-President Brad Silverberg (talking about the AARD code)
> >> "What the guy [using the computer] is supposed to do is feel
> >> uncomfortable and when he has bugs, suspect the problem is Dr-DOS and
> >> then go out and buy MS-DOS or decide not to take the risk for the other
> >> machines he has to buy for in the office."
> >
> >You say he's talking about the AARD code, but that
> >makes no sense; he's *suggesting* making Windows
> >fail when run on DR-DOS; this memo is from
> >before release.
>
> He's providing instructions which perfectly identify and describe the
> AARD code. Your "lame brain" naivete is not a very convincing charade,
> Daniel.
>
> >But Windows ran on DR-DOS. It didn't fail. They
> >didn't do it. They didn't *take* his suggestion.
>
> The instructions were not to have it fail. Did you not notice this, or
> did you hope nobody else noticed it?
>
> They implemented his orders; he was their boss. Boss's don't give
> *suggestions*, you fucking moron.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
>
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:35:23 +1000
um just a question
how would I set up linux to work like (not using winframe or citrix
metaframe)
to keep a users programs running even though they logout so they resume
where they left off
but have the option to close the session (close programs if they aren't
coming back)
just a link would be fine. (setting up xterminal servers)
thanks
bye.
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b0aecf6$0$2605$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Internet connection stays when switching users!
> >
> > Wow. Welcome to Slackware 1.0.
>
> And NT 3.51.
>
> > > And get this - Applications even stay open and are there (still
> > > open) when returning to that user.
> >
> > And to GNOME 1.0.
>
> Really? How do you exit GNOME as one use, log on as another,
> then log back in as the first and have all apps still running?
>
> -c
>
>
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:38:45 +1000
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JS \\ PL wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > JS \\ PL wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have to say, Linux Mandrake 8 was looking real damn good. Support
for
> > all
> > > > my hardware (for once) easy set-up, even seting up networking and
> > connection
> > > > sharing was painless. Good newsreader - Knode, pretty stable OS. I
even
> > > > liked the fact that it stayed connected to the Internet when
switching
> > users
> > >
> > > this has been a fact of Unix family operating systems since they were
> > > first networked (i.e. 1970's)
> > >
> > >
> > > > (unlike Win2K)
> > >
> > > Another admission that Mafia$oft is over 30 years behind in basic
> > technology.
> >
> > I was wrong. It's a post install regedit in WINNT that I didn't know
about.
>
> And using regedit is all intuitive and newbie-friendly how, exactly?
>
sort of like setting up wftp on linux using text files.
<very long (longer than the message) cut>
</very long (longer than the message) cut>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:38:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, JS \\ PL wrote:
>I have to say, Linux Mandrake 8 was looking real damn good. Support for all
>my hardware (for once) easy set-up, even seting up networking and connection
>sharing was painless. Good newsreader - Knode, pretty stable OS. I even
>liked the fact that it stayed connected to the Internet when switching users
>(unlike Win2K) I was actually contemplating using it much more often and
>only using Windows for apps I need to use that aren't available on Linux.
>But....
>Well after half a day checking out the new XP OS, I have to say IT KICKS
>MANDRAKE ASS!!
Let us put it to the uptime test.
>Internet connection stays when switching users! And get this - Applications
>even stay open and are there (still open) when returning to that user.
Humm. Most Linux's have been able of this since day 1.
>That's just the tip of the iceberg. Of course the browser still kicks ass,
>and copy and paste is still much much better between apps, as opposed to the
>hit and miss copy/paste support in Linux. Ohh I could go on and endlessly
>list how much better XP is than Mandrake. Once again the Linux community is
>playing catch up to the industry leader. Competition at it's finest!
>Thank You.
>
Nothing wrong with competition.
When's Linux going to get some anyway?
--
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:40:10 GMT
In article <_7PO6.25055$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
>
>"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9efs03$9ar$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Does XP allow you to setup a MS "Intellimouse" during installation? The
>> last windows installation I did (Win98SE) didn't know of their existance -
>> you needed an extra driver download or disk to set up an MS mouse ! Linux
>> Mandrake, on the other hand, has supported it for many years.
>
>Um, Win98 supports the intellimouse. There are updated drivers which you
>can get from Microsoft.com, but last time I used Win98 it found my
>intellimouse just fine.
>
>-c
>
OH MY GOD! INTELLIMOUSE!
SOMEBODY INFORM LINUS AND RMS IMMEDIATELY!
THEY HAVE INTELLIMOUSE!!!
OH LORDY LORDY LORDY!!! WE DOOMED NOW!
--
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:42:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
>What piece of crap this Netscape 6 is.
>Well, not as much as NS 4.7x because that
>doesn't even work any more. I guess after
>using it 12 times, it self-destructs.
>
>(even worse! This crappy browser won't let
>you cross post, so I'm having to do it manually)
>
>I practically had to reinstall the OS to
>get NS 6 working on here. There were like
>50 patches just to get it working. It's
>a Java-based app too! What a joke!
>
>Anyhow, this should be sufficient. I don't
>have time to get tin running as that'll
>probably involve another 2 hours to get it
>up and running. Plus, I've had my fill of
>shitty newsreaders for today.
>
>I just got NNTP access at work today and
>hadn't copied my killfile from home yet.
>I've made sure that you're back in it,
>though.
>
>-c
>
BLACK HELICOPTERS! BLACK HELICOPTERS!
BLACK HELICOPTERS! BLACK HELICOPTERS!
--
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yak)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.os.netware.security
Subject: Re: Single sign-on authentication for Novell, Windows and Linux?
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:43:54 GMT
On Wed, 23 May 2001 08:49:10 -0600, Stan McCann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Dean Thompson wrote:
>>
>> Hi!,
>>
>> You can link passwords on Linux and NT/Win2K systems together with the help of
>> PAM SMB modules. There are also some PAM modules in existence for validating
>> logins into Linux through various versions of Netware but normally the Netware
>> server has to be operating in a bindery mode. I am not sure of too many
>> authentication modules which actually work with a NDS tree directly.
>>
>
>BorderManager Authentication might be able to do the job. I don't know
>for sure but it is something you can look into. I use it here to
>authenticate dial up users dialing into our Cisco router.
BorderManager Authentication is a radius server for netware, it
doesn't do much except for authenticate users accessing servers runing
as radius clients. Typical example your cisco, & our ascend NAS
(N)etwork (A)ccess (S)erver box.. <-- btw that nas was used BEFORE
network access storage :)
IE remote user connects to NAS, authenticates to NAS server, NAS
server (as a client) then asks the radius server (netware) to
authenticate vs nds tree or other. If yes, continue as normal. If no.
NAS hangs up on remote users.
Yak.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Warning to new users of Windows XP
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:44:45 GMT
In article <9efaat$emd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
>"Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > My prediction is that within 5 minutes of it going gold the warez groups
>> > will be flooded with it.
>> >
>> > flatfish
>>
>> And universal activation keys will be for sale everywhere. "Hey meester,
>> you wannabuy XP key? No? How bout my seester then? She a virgin."
>>
>> Mundie was right; there is more money to be made off closed-source.
>
>Aka, it is easy to screw a large number of naive people using close-source.
>
>Matthew Gardiner
>
Oh hell! It's easy as shit to screw a Windows user!
They don't have any fucking brains.
--
Charlie
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:52:12 GMT
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [snip]
> > > Thanks. I did some more looking around the TRS 80 sites. Very
> > > interesting. It's kind of sad Tandy couldnt keep TRS-DOS and/or CP/M
> > > going.
> >
> > My I ask, um, why?
>
> You can ask...
Just checking! :D
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:52:13 GMT
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
[snip]
> > > The IIgs came out in Fall of 1986
> >
> > Pretty late. Much *too* late; it was up
> > against 80286s by then, and the 386 was not
> > far off.
>
> The only reason the GS was "too" late was Apple. Western digital could
> have kept up refining the 65xxx family, but a a color computer that was
> less expensive than the MAc would have cut into Mac sales.
I know. Apple went for margin not
marketshare. It's history. Depressing
history, at that, if you liked the IIgs; and
I did.
[snip]
> > Yes, I even programmed it once. It worked darned
> > near exactly like the UI of a Macintosh, but in
> > color.
> >
> > You could not ever use it on a //e however. There
> > was a horrible bastardized thing involving a special
> > font on the later Apple IIs, but it was not the
> > same at all.
>
>
> WHen the Apple IIgs came out, you could use the desktop on a IIe. You
> say you'ver "programmed" the GS, yet you dont know about this. You have
> 0 Apple II credibility.
You certainly could not use any IIgs system
software on the //e. It was writen for
the 65816 and make extensive use of that
CPUs segmentation architecture.
You had complete separate software
for the //e, and it could sort of kind of
emulate the Mac look-and-field with
a special font. It was a pretty cheezy
approach, really.
What the IIgs had, on the other hand,
was the real deal.
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:52:14 GMT
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
[snip]
> > There's a reason for this; Microsoft knows that if they
> > jack up prices enough, they will create an opportunity
> > for a competitor to supplant them, even if that
> > competing product is not as good.
> >
>
> Digital tried that. They died. Go died. Netscape died.
Microsoft didn't raise their prices for
any of these guys; in fact they lowered them
in some cases.
Kinda rough on the competition, to judge
by the bodycount. But good for consumers,
certainly.
> > If Windows becomes expensive enough, Linux on
> > the desktop could actually succeed! Think of that,
> > and tremble.
>
> Microsoft is already expensive enough. Linux can be had for media costs.
> No licensing fees. How much cheaper does it have to get?
MS Windows isn't expensive enough that Linux
is justifiable, not on the desktop.
> > However, MS is not dumb enough to let this
> > happen to them just because of some silly
> > anti-trust theory.
>
> This shows how ignorant and arrogant you really are.
Well, I could be wrong. If MS pushes through
some sort of demented subscription model that
effectively raises prices substantially, it will
just go to show that MS is that dumb, after all.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:53:49 GMT
I installed SP2 under Win2k and it worked perfectly, just like SP1
did. Contrast this to the Mandrake update CD I was sent in the mail
thaty destroyed my entire system.
Sorry but Linux still sucks and Windows ROCKS!!!!!
flatfish++++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: rowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:53:54 GMT
On Mon, 21 May 2001 07:42:49 GMT, Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Snaggler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> On 15 May 2001 22:28:02 -0500, "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>> And, what's this? The linux solution uses a fiber channel storage array
>>>>> connected via 5 PCI controllers (whew!) versus a single plain jane scsi
>>>>> card in the compaq.
>
>> Plain Jane SCSI, that's brilliant. Did you bother to read the Full
>> Disclosure by Compaq? Obviously not because you would have read the
>> "Storage Enclosure" section and found that Compaq used not one but
>> two
>
>Seven, actually, and in addition, a "normal" SCSI card.
>
>> SMART Array Controllers, one of which was a four-channel model + 2
>> 15K drives.
>
>Six of those.
>
>-kzm
Thanks for correcting me. I should have read it more carefully myself.
The point which I made and which you made even clearer was that there
was definitely some beefy hardware backing up those results, not the
"Plain Jane SCSI" Jan would like to believe.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:58:56 GMT
On Thu, 24 May 2001 00:53:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I installed SP2 under Win2k and it worked perfectly, just like SP1
>did. Contrast this to the Mandrake update CD I was sent in the mail
>thaty destroyed my entire system.
>
>Sorry but Linux still sucks and Windows ROCKS!!!!!
Fuck off and die troll. Win2k is pathetic for it's 40 year old file system and
the cpu and memory requirement of a super computer just to not run like a dog.
You may like having an OS with 30 million lines of brand new bug ridden code,
but I prefer something a little more mature.
You and MS deserve each other.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:06:31 GMT
Daniel Johnson wrote:
> >
> > Digital tried that. They died. Go died. Netscape died.
>
> Microsoft didn't raise their prices for
> any of these guys; in fact they lowered them
> in some cases.
>
> Kinda rough on the competition, to judge
> by the bodycount. But good for consumers,
> certainly.
Undercut the competition, wait for them to
die, then raise the prices. That's why
Office is so much more expensive nowadays.
> MS Windows isn't expensive enough that Linux
> is justifiable, not on the desktop.
Linux doesn't need an expensive Windows to
be justifiable on the desktop. Linux is already
a good desktop system for users with a little
savvy.
> Well, I could be wrong. If MS pushes through
> some sort of demented subscription model that
> effectively raises prices substantially, it will
> just go to show that MS is that dumb, after all.
If it weren't for the existence of Linux and Mac,
Microsoft would be raping the consumer right now.
Chris
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