Linux-Advocacy Digest #856, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 01:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Chad Everett)
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. ("Steven J. Hathaway")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Chad Everett)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Linux users are crappy: a couple of examples ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT (Dave Martel)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Matthew
Gardiner)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Matthew
Gardiner)
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Matthew
Gardiner)
Re: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Apr 2001 22:25:10 -0500
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:16:02 +0100, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Except homosexuals don't let you ignore it. They are politically
>
>You are obviously totally ignorant.
>
>> motivated and organized to shove their homosexuality down the throats
>
>Look, you twit, of course you see the politically active ones because
>they are politically active. Well, duh. You don't see the millions of
>hohosexuals who aren't that politically activated. It is plain ignorant
>and stupid to claim that all homosexuals are politically active because
>one grop of them are politically active.
>
>
>-Ed
>
Hey nimwit! We had a poster trying to lecture us that homosexuals
want to just "live their own private lives". But that isn't true
is it. Because there is a loudmouth homosexual lobby...just like you
said. They can't be forcing their homosexuality off on everybody,
including our kids in school, and at the same time try and tell
us they "just want to live their own private lives", now can they?
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:52:41 -0700
From: "Steven J. Hathaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Its not that Linux is brain dead. Its either a matter of persons spending the
time to
either build their own system from scratch (ugly!) or find distributions that
solve
easily their problems. Linux as a kernel, and GNU as the applications, and
GNOME
or KDE on top of XFree86 as the graphical user system, all needs to be fairly
integrated.
The more specialized things you wish to do as commonly found on multi-media
workstations, or specialized workgroup platforms, require significant special
attention. The same is true on M$ systems when you try to maintain MAPI
sanity with multiple Email clients. Each email client participates in what I
call
the MAPI wars.
Linux and UN*X systems are based on an architecutre that was initially
developed
for the telephone and network communications industries of North America. The
platforms are among the most stable when network connectivity solutions and
multi-user time-share operations are required. Things tend to break when
major deviations are taken from the initial paradigm.
Steve Hathaway
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:55:28 +1200
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Jon Johansan wrote:
> > >
> > > and all that means... you are a unix dude... ok. so?
> > >
> > > Gee, an OS that is bogged down by _buggy apps_ who'd a thunk?
> > > I'll bet I can create a buggy app that'll bog down any OS if the bugs were
> > > gnarly enough eh? silly...
> > >
> > > memory usage too high? What's the yardstick? If you compare usage to
> > > Commadore 64 levels then even Linux is a memory PIG! However, we're not. And
> > > 256 megs of ECC RAS2 memory will set you back a whooping $89 - do you really
> > > need to be concerned about 486's running with 32 megs?
> >
> > $89, no, its is not, you are looking at least $NZ150 for 128MB RAM, that
> > is standard, off the shelf memory, I have 384MB of RAM, which works out
> > to be around $NZ450 worth of memory in my computer. The memory usage of
> > an OS sound be as minimal as possible, for example, the Amiga 500 used
> > 100K to load Workbench 1.3.2 out of 1.5MB of ram (excluding the
> > FastMem), compare that to a Average computer, at 128MB, which the OS
> > alone takes up 32MB of RAM, that is an example of bloat.
>
> No, it's called improved functionality. To compare the workbench and
> a modern OS is rediculous.
>
> Perhaps you could compare the kernel since Amiga had pre-emptive multitasking,
> etc. But Amiga didn't have DirectX, it didn't have COM+, it didn't have
> plug-n-play
> for many unrelated devices with drivers from many, many different vendors, it
> didn't have any of the functionality that modern OSes have, yes even Linux which
> is tough to call a modern OS, but it's more modern that Amiga.
Games weren't OS dependent, if you had an Amiga, you would already know
that. Also, the latest versions of Workbench now have OpenGL, however,
on the Amiga 500 most games booted directly off the disk without the
need of workbench. As for the devices, if you knew the insides of an
Amiga, they were equiped with a thing called, "Kickstart" which is very
similar to what Apple and SUN have in their machines, you simply turned
off the computer, and if you were to add a hard drive, there was a slot
on the side, you attached the hard drive to the attachment, turn on the
switch and then start installing Workbench onto the hard disk, no
technical knowledge required, the computer didn't need to be opened, not
partitioning needed, all done by the workbench installer.
>
> > If Microsoft concerntrated on making Windows more secure,
>
> Win2K is very secure.
>
> > smaller, both disk and memory usage,
>
> Ram is cheap, so are disks. I'd rather have them have a slight bit of bloat
> for much more functionality and quicker releases. If you still insist on
> running the latest OSes on your 386 20 with 4MB of RAM, have a blast, but
> for those of us living in the real world, the different between a 100MB
> footprint and 300MB really doesn't mean a hill of beans if the whole thing
> runs well, which Win2K does.
I have a 60gig hard disk, 384MB RAM, and a PIII 550 Mhz processor, so
your comments are invalid, and based on excuses rather than reason. It
would be like me saying, "lets make a car that uses 3x more petrol, but
hey, theres lots of it, so who cares?"
More code = more bugs = more pissed off people = more people seeking
alternatives.
Apart from stability and security, what does Windows 2000 Pro offer that
say MacOS X, QNX RTP, Windows 9x/ME doesn't? it is 600MB just for a
basic installation of Windows 2000 Pro, that doesn't include third party
tools I have to install afterwards such as Winzip, WinAMP, Wordperfect
Suite 2000, Corel Draw 9 and Paradox 9.
>
> > I would be prepared to pay up to $1000 for it, however,
> > Microsoft insists on sloppy code, well, you get bloat as a result.
>
> Sloppy code? Please provide facts, sir, not your ignorant rantings.
Please explain what 35 Million lines of code do? traditional code
reusing techniques and other short cuts would cut the number of lines
down whilst maintaining the same amout of features.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Apr 2001 22:33:12 -0500
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:53:19 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:3ae45e41$0$2769$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> > Except that it isn't true. Many companies are finding that an NT/2K
>> solution is
>> > not more stable, is not cheaper, is not easier to manage.
>>
>> Except that what you just wrote is NOT true. W2K IS much more stable and
>> cheaper and in every single way imaginable much MUCH easier to manage. I
>> mean, night and day differences.
>
>Stable? Where's the W2K box that's been running for 2 years?
>
Much easier to manage?
I put in a Yamaha CD_RW drive a while back so users can
create CDs on a Windows 2K Pro box. Trouble is, Windows
2K Pro will only let the administrator write to the CD-RW
drive. WIndows "online help and knowledge base": no help.
Yamaha online help: only administrator can write to CD-RW
drives in WIndows 2K. Easy CD Creator and NERO app: same
answer. So Ive got this new CD-RW drive and only administrator
can even use it. Really nice for the users, huh? A CD-RW
drive that they can't use.
How does this make Windows 2K Pro easier to manage?
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:58:09 +1200
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Jon Johansan wrote:
> > >
> > > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > However, product activation in XP is ONLY an issue with those that
> > > intend to
> > > > > bootleg it. It is of NO issue whatsoever to those that purchase
> > > legitimate
> > > > > copies.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been working with the beta and it continues to amaze me how
> many
> > > people
> > > > > have the operation of activation completely and categorically wrong.
> > > I'll
> > > > > repeat: product activation is ONLY a concern to those that bootleg
> XP -
> > > it
> > > > > means nothing to legitimate users. (small tidbit pirates already
> know:
> > > > > enterprise versions of XP come with a "magic" key that bypasses
> > > activation).
> > > >
> > > > I agree with your statement regarding the activation. I have been
> using
> > > > commercial UNIX's for years, and most software, such as SUN Forte
> > > > Developer require registration as each installation is node locked,
> > > > however, in a large organisation, there is a floating license which
> > > > bypasses the activation. Maybe Microsoft is learning yet again from
> the
> > > > UNIX world. I do however have a concern with its salability, in a
> small
> > > > specialised market this sort of licensing is easy to police, however,
> > > > imagine call centres bombarded with thousands of calls per minute of
> > > > people pissed off waiting 20 minutes for service.
> > >
> > > Think: Activation can be automated over the internet ... and it is.
> >
> > True, true, however, comspiracy theorist Aaron will come up with a story
> > about how the data will be used in a communist plot again America.
> > Personally, I couldn't care two hoots whether Microsoft requires
> > activation because, 1. no one forces you to buy either Windows XP of
> > Office XP, there are alternatives, such as Wordperfect Office 2002 and
> > Lotus Smart Suite that do a pretty good job. 2. The only people who are
> > worried are pirates and conspiracy theorists who have nothing better to
> > do than come up with a grand story.
>
> True on the first part and your #2 but I have used Wordperfect Office and,
> dude, it sucks. Have never used Lotus smart suite so can't say but the WP
> stuff has been crap after version 5.1 for DOS.
I've used it since version 5.1, prior to that I used Wordstart 2000 for
dos, which was also quite good. Wordperfect 7 and 8 were absolutely shit
beyond belief, however 2000 was awsome, and 2002 looks even better.
Hopefully, if I do the XP thing, I will not have any problems between XP
and Wordperfect Suite 2002.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:03:07 +0600
Hullo wrote:
> Wonderful product from Microsoft. Go get it and get used to the future
> dudes.
<futurama>Why do they use Windows 3000 for a prison guard?</futurama>
> Work on politeness as your manners reflect badly on your linux cause..maybe
> take some exercise and eat more fruit to relieve your evident stress and
> aggression. Learn to relax.
> Assume nothing.
Like you?
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:57:55 +0600
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> Dave Martel wrote:
> >
> > "Windows NT revenues will grow $8.1 billion from $4.7 billion in 1999
> > to $12.8 billion in 2004. Linux revenues will increase almost $3.7
> > billion from just $366.8 million in 1999 to $4.1 billion in 2004. Unix
> > revenues will grow $3.5 billion from $11.4 billion in 1999 to almost
> > $14.9 billion in 2004."
>
> That doesn't take in account that there are more small businesses run my
> computer illiterate people who can only use NT...
It also doesn't take into account that IDC and its ilk habitually fetch
these numbers out of their oversized hats.
And then there's the annoying question of "Who cares?" Am I supposed to
use the OS pushed by the vendor with the biggest revenues? Biggest
relative growth? Biggest absolute growth? Biggest-mouthed executives?
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:14:54 +1200
>
> No wonder you guys are MS haters. You were brainwashed for 4+
> years about the evils of Corporate america while you were taught
> archaic technology and then dumped into a Corporate america with
> no real skills, but lots of knowledge but computer systems which
> haven't been used in 15 years.
>
> College... gotta love it!
>
> -c
MS provided alot of the software at the Uni, however, Microsoft was also
used as the poster child of what happens when you don't follow the
Software Development Life Cycle properly and try short cuts to save
time. The whole University relyed on Unix using Samba to connect the
Wintel clients to the server, I never had any problems the whole I was
there was never any problems with the server.
Personally, I love capitalism, and Microsoft is living proof of what
happens when you break the rules of the market place, you get hauled
through the courts. Look at the UNIX market place, cut throat
competition between IBM, SUN, SGI and UNISYS, something sorely lacking
from the consumer marketplace.
As for your comments regarding computers systems which haven't been used
in 15 years, what are you talking about? at Uni we concerntrated on
C/C++ and VB, programming structure, ethics, OS's, which mainly focused
on UNIX. In my spare time I taught my self COBOL, which is still used
on Mainframes, and I am gradually teaching myself Perl, Python, then
hopefully when I have time, Fortran.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux users are crappy: a couple of examples
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:05:40 +0600
Dave Martel wrote:
> It seems our latest wintroll got in over his head, so he's gone to
> comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy for reinforcements.
As usual, Windows requires more hardware!
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:14:58 +0600
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> True, I have a Dell, and have upgraded by hard disk to 60 gig's, my
> memory to 384MB, my graphics card to a tnt 2 128 bit, and installed a
> Soundblaster Live! In the area of processors, depending on what you
> want to do, it can be a bitch ...
I had a Dell PPro 200MHz that I bought at DFO about 4 years ago. The case
was a real caddy, but unfortunately they used non-standard jumpers to
connect the front panel switches and LEDs to the motherboard. That meant
an upgrade to a new processor/mb would have required some work with wire
cutters and a soldering iron. So I gave the case away rather than trying
to keep it up to date. I'll avoid Dell hardware in the future, even if by
some chance their prices become competitive.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:10:17 -0600
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:19:40 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>That doesn't take in account that there are more small businesses run my
>computer illiterate people who can only use NT, thus, it is easy to
>blear on how great it is, when really it is used out of necessity, not
>reliability. Also, that doesn't take into account the fact that UNIX
>vendors don't charge per-user who logs onto a server, you pay, say $75
>for Solaris, and that's it! no extra charges.
Or that nobody knows how many people got linux for free.
Market share is a poor indicator of "popularity" where a free OS is
concerned. I just thought it was interesting to see where things are
supposedly going.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:33:37 +1200
Strabo wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > <snype>
> >
> > Think of the issue like this. We are now in the era of technological
> > change, yet we still rely on technology 100 years old that has changed
> > very little. Instead of the government wasting money on pointless tax
> > cuts, maybe some of that money could be used to setup a Crown Funded
> > Laboratory to fund research into economically viable alternative fuels
> > and the rest used to pay off the overseas debt and public debt. That
> > would be a hell of a lot more effective than giving a huge tax cut to
> > those at the top of the food chain.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
>
> A better idea. Suppose everyone keeps their money and spend
> it where they see fit and let the government workers find
> real jobs.
>
> Government is so corrupt it can no longer properly run
> its own agencies.
Pass the State Owned Enterprise Act and these problems will be solved,
we have it in New Zealand, and every government department must run
along business lines, show efficiency gains, surpluses, if the CEO of
the department doesn't come up to scratch, they get fired and a new one
is found in the private sector, at a pay package of $250,000 +$100,000
bonus for efficiency gains, there is never any problems finding new
CEO's.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:35:13 +1200
Strabo wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > > maybe some of that money could be used to setup a Crown Funded
> > > > Laboratory to fund research into economically viable alternative fuels
> > > > and the rest used to pay off the overseas debt and public debt. That
> > > > would be a hell of a lot more effective than giving a huge tax cut to
> > > > those at the top of the food chain.
> > >
> > > You'rse starting to talk like a socialist feeb.
> > >
> > Not really, the private sector is not carrying out enough socially
> > desirable research, hence the government must intervene to ensure that
> > socially desirable research, such as alternative fuels are given the
> > attention they deserve. If the private sector actually did some research
> > in that area, there would be no need for government intervention.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
>
> The government influences every "private" business to
> the degree that there is no longer the opportunity to
> seed a new fuels industry.
>
> The government has become the supervisory manager of
> monopolies.
There is car developed in New Zealand that runs on compressed air, they
have just recieved 3 million dollars in research funding, and an unname
company has decided to run with the idea.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:29:41 +0600
jtnews wrote:
> "Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
>
> > I hate to think what I would have had to pay to get the equivalent of what I
> > just built from Dell.
>
> I've gone through this same argument before.
> But whenever I use something like PriceWatch.com
> and add up all the equivalent components I'd need
> to buy I always wind up with a machine that costs
> about the same or a little bit more than if I just
> bought one of the cheapest boxes from Dell.
That's surprising. I bought a system from the Dell Factory Outlet about four
years ago, and even that discount price was still as expensive as paying full
price for an equivalent system with a lesser brand name on it.
Meanwhile, if you live in or near a largish city you can certainly beat Dell's
price by finding a computer shop that will build to your spec and not charge a
$200 MS tribute if you want them to install Linux instead of Windows. That is
probably the optimal price solution for store-bought systems: you buy nothing you
don't ask for, you engineer your own tradeoffs of the "faster CPU vs faster video
card vs more memory" type, and the markeups are minimal due to the competitive
nature of the business.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:45:01 +1200
> > Not to mention that since I said he was being fed at school, the teachers
> > (communists! all of'em!) must SOMEHOW be doing something eeeeevil.
>
> Are the teachers unions pushing marxist agendas?
> a) no
> B) YES
What a bag of bull shit. When I was at college, my economics teacher
was a freemarketer, he wanted trade liberalisation, and like he, he
believed in Rogernomics (grab the book, "Fortress to Freemarket: The
Revolution" to understand the term). My history teacher wasn't into
economics, however, we had a talk about communism and he replied,
"History has already proven its (communism's) failure". University,
another so-called "communist recruiting agency" (In the words of Aaron),
none of my lectures are communist, one of them is a tree hugger, but
besides that, most of them agree with the underlying phylosophy of the
free market. So I don't understand where this commist threat is comming
from.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:48:10 +1200
Dave Martel wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:19:40 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >That doesn't take in account that there are more small businesses run my
> >computer illiterate people who can only use NT, thus, it is easy to
> >blear on how great it is, when really it is used out of necessity, not
> >reliability. Also, that doesn't take into account the fact that UNIX
> >vendors don't charge per-user who logs onto a server, you pay, say $75
> >for Solaris, and that's it! no extra charges.
>
> Or that nobody knows how many people got linux for free.
>
> Market share is a poor indicator of "popularity" where a free OS is
> concerned. I just thought it was interesting to see where things are
> supposedly going.
Also, popularity doesn't not always mean superiority, it just shows who
has the better marketing machine.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:55:58 GMT
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3ae4f003$0$17265$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > >
> > > > Except that it isn't true. Many companies are finding that an NT/2K
> > > solution is
> > > > not more stable, is not cheaper, is not easier to manage.
> > >
> > > Except that what you just wrote is NOT true. W2K IS much more stable
and
> > > cheaper and in every single way imaginable much MUCH easier to manage.
I
> > > mean, night and day differences.
> >
> > Stable? Where's the W2K box that's been running for 2 years?
>
> Well - I'd imagine that is about as possible as the linux 2.4 (release
> version) box that's been running for a year. Get it? I'll give you a clue,
> W2K release date < 2 years!
Yes, I do understand that it is foolish to make claims about stability
in something with no history, especially considering the history of
everything else from that company.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:05:47 GMT
"Boris Dynin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Essentially the only developer-written code is in the form of xsl
> > sheets and calls to transformNode (from a Microsoft-supplied
> > dll). There may very well be bugs in the xsl/xml or both. Does
> > that mean IIS should crash when reading it?
> So you are using ISAPI DLL, right? If so, your DLL is in IIS process space
> and any bugs in the DLL can crash IIS easily. If you resorted to Active
> Server Pages and out-of-process COM+ components IIS would be isolated from
> (potentially) buggy user code.
The ISAPI stuff is hidden (by the ASP processing), but there, and
without some twiddling the msxml.dll won't run out of process.
Another guy here managed to set it up that way but now when the
xml handler crashes, IIS continues to accept jobs for it which then
block because there is no handler and nothing restarts another one.
That's even worse, because my load balancer won't detect it until it fails
hundreds of times and stops accepting connections completely. How
do I make IIS restart the crashed process? If I can't, it was better to
let IIS itself crash since the services manager will restart it.
Les Mikesell
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