Linux-Advocacy Digest #891, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 21:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("Gary Hallock")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("B.B.")
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Windows 2000 Rocks! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed. ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Plaz)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (nunnayabidniz)
Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed. (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Laura M. Hagan")
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Ray Fischer)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Baseball (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Intel versus Sparc (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Paul Repacholi)
Re: Intel versus Sparc (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Intel versus Sparc (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed. (Michael Vester)
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From: "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:47:04 +0000
In article <9c4vsq$cbrs5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nigel Feltham"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Tell me why I should run Win2K on my computer. I have a P133 w/72M of
>> ram btw and I'm not willing to upgrade any time soon.
>>
>> Now how great would it work on that?
>>
>
> I expect it will take as long to boot as the average win98 uptime.
>
Longer probably. I have a 700Mhz Pentitum III T20 Thinkpad with 256MB
of memory and W2K takes a few minutes to boot. Earlier today I booted
up W2K and after a few minutes I thought is was done - I got the start
button and task bar but nothing on the desktop. I figured something had
gotten zapped. 3 or 4 minutes later, the desktop finally got populated
with icons. Linux takes less than a minute to boot on the same system.
Gary
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From: "B.B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:52:16 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
@You're making the mistake of assuming the JS PL ever attended college
@in the first place.
On the upside, his .sig is of a fairly reasonable length.
--
B.B. --I am not a goat! [EMAIL PROTECTED] @airmail.net
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:58:15 +1200
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > > Anyone that buys an i810 based motherboard (and they sell millions)
> > > >
> > > > Hey! I have an i810e in my Dell Dimension L600cx,
> > > > and my other 3 Dell Dimension L700cx's and it
> > > > works great with Linux!
> > >
> > > It does now, when using the latest kernel. It doesn't with a stock distro
> > > from several months ago.
> >
> > SuSE Linux 7.0 released at the end of last year supported 810 chipset.
>
> Didn't 7.0 come out at the end of *1999*?
>
> --
> It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
Let me explain:
Last Year: 2000
End: October-December.
I hope that correction helps you.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Rocks!
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:00:05 +1200
Chronos Tachyon wrote:
>
> On Mon 23 Apr 2001 12:22, Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
>
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> >> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm using 3.3.6 and it rocks. If it sucks donkey balls compared to
> >> > 4.03, then I'll have to get XF4.
> >>
> >> I don't have personal experience with it yet, but my understanding
> >> is that XFree86 4.03 puts previous versions to shame.
> >
> > FWIW, I ran the multi-hour benchmark on one of the 3.95 pre-releases, and
> > it
> > showed a 40% speedup compared to 3.3.3. YMMV.
> >
> > Bobby Bryant
> > Austin, Texas
> >
>
> I've been running XFree 4 since within a week of XFree 4.0.0 having binary
> tarballs available. The biggest improvements: performance, DRI (easier 3D
> card support), saner config files (no more ModeLines!), more modular
> architecture (no more symlinks to X). Not quite as stable as XFree 3.3.x
> (about 1 crash per month on my Voodoo3), but the difference is very slight
> and is probably less XFree's fault and more a factor of the video hardware
> getting exercised more thoroughly.
>
> --
> Chronos Tachyon
> Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
> Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
> [Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
Upgrade to 4.0.3, it is rock solid, well for me anyway. It depends on
what Card you have and whether you have chosen to load the optional 3d
acceleration modules.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:02:23 +0600
Hullo wrote:
> I originally posted to try and get material for an anti W2K perspective for
> a report...
Yeah, sure. That's what all the Wintrolls come here for.
> Bye all.
Don't let the (blue)screen door hit you on the way out.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
p.s. - What name are you going to start using next, Sock?
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:03:08 GMT
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JS PL wrote:
[snip]
> The users did not "choose" Microsoft OS's. That choice was made when IBM
> chose MS-DOS, and Microsoft railroaded per-processor licenses, which
> were also tied to things like Word.
Actually, IBM offered three OSes originally: MS-DOS, CP/M,
and one other- I think it was Xenix or something like that.
MS-DOS was the early favorite because it worked, it was cheap
in both money and memory, and most importantly, it was
available immediately.
It was also so trivial that it bought Microsoft
very little. It was Windows that put MS where
they are now- but that is another story.
[snip]
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:04:18 +1200
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> Don't blame Linux for your shortcomings as an administrator. If you
> >> were competent, you'd have a precess limit, snd so the machine would
> >> not be effectively taken out by that.
> >
> > It's the default on Mandrake.
>
> So? You know how to fix it, so fix it. Besides, the best is different for
> everybody. The installer is not telepathic.
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>
> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
Why is Pete worried about Mandrake considering he is using SuSE Linux
7.1?
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: Plaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:08:05 -0700
In article
<0voF6.35066$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, IBM offered three OSes originally: MS-DOS, CP/M,
> and one other- I think it was Xenix or something like that.
AIX.
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From: nunnayabidniz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:10:07 -0700
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:44:52 +0100, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> I don't know about other people, but the repulsive feelings I have about
>> it are pratty damned instinctual...
>>
>> The first time I ever heard of it, (mentioned in a medical textbook) my
>> thought was, OH, GROSS!...
>
>And your point is?
>
>-Ed
homosexuality is not genetic, it is a choice.
The feelings we have about it are for self-preservation of our
species, and they are right.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed.
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:10:43 +1200
<snype>
> As opposed to the bizarre logic that the average 98 user runs mozilla (LOL).
> I mean if there is one thing that Unix does make easy it's newsgroups. I
> don't need a bastard operator from hell, I need a nice person who does a
> good job and can be polite to other staff. "The best in German Engineering",
> since when has the best in German engineering been started by a Finn? Not
> just a bit paranoid but also it would appear an obsessive nationalist, like
> Europe needs more of that. That let's get nationalist thing was in evidence
> again from the "pomme" character, BTW I'm Irish.
I'm part Irish-Scottish-Spainish (From my fathers, fathers side of the
family), what this has to do with the conversation, buggered if I know?
Yet again we have another simpleton who doesn't know what the phrase
"The best in German Engineering" means. I was referring to the quality
of the distro, not necessarily the software in it, however, the comment
did include the many software packages, such as Yast, that SuSE created
and the projects they contributed to, such as ReiserFS.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: "Laura M. Hagan" <doesn'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:48:44 -0700
nunnayabidniz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:44:52 +0100, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >> I don't know about other people, but the repulsive feelings I have about
> >> it are pratty damned instinctual...
> >>
> >> The first time I ever heard of it, (mentioned in a medical textbook) my
> >> thought was, OH, GROSS!...
> >
> >And your point is?
> >
> >-Ed
>
>
> homosexuality is not genetic, it is a choice.
>
> The feelings we have about it are for self-preservation of our
> species, and they are right.
Then why don't we have the same feelings about celibacy?
>
>
>
>
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:11:46 +0600
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> You're using a beta, this is not what an OEM is going to be using.
Well, duh. I used the RH 7.1 beta. Red Hat 7.1 is out now. The same hardware
products are still on the shelves.
> Why do you keep changing the argument? The point was in regards to OEM's
> and OEM's (specifically Dell) ONLY.
Don't start more of that "I say this thread is restricted to <mytopic>" bs.
You plainly said:
> It usually takes Linux 3-6 months from the release of a product before
drivers are available for it.
And I disabused the lurkers of any nascent notion that you had a clue what you
were talking about.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:16:13 GMT
"Roberto Alsina"
> >> >> Indeed it remains. I even said so myself just above. BTW: the use of
> >> >> "yet" in that sentence makes no sense.
> >> >
> >> >Quibbling again. Why?
> >>
> >> Trying to convince you to take remedial english classes.
> >
> >Why did you snip, "BTW you are again wrong. Get a good dictionary.
'Yet'
> >also means 'again' and 'nevertheless'."?
>
> To prevent further humiliation. I am a kind guy. But since you insist:
>
> The question didn't "again" go unanswered because it was not asked again.
>
> The question didn't "nevertheless" go unanswered because it didn't go
> unanswered "in spite of" what I said, but *because* of what I said.
Nevertheless, the question remains unanswered.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:16:59 +1200
JS PL wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Personally, I love capitalism,
>
> Secretly, you don't.
>
> >and Microsoft is living proof of what
> > happens when you break the rules of the market place, you get hauled
> > through the courts.
>
> Every large comany participates in lawsuits and court battles as a matter of
> routine business. You mistakenly pretend that it's a reflection of their
> ethics. Microsoft customers know differently. That's why it's the chosen OS
> product of 98% of all PC users.
Popularity doesn't always equal a quality product.
>
> >Look at the UNIX market place, cut throat
> > competition between IBM, SUN, SGI and UNISYS, something sorely lacking
> > from the consumer marketplace.
>
> You have no idea what your talking about do you?
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Fischer)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:17:42 GMT
nunnayabidniz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>homosexuality is not genetic, it is a choice.
Why did you choose to be heterosexual?
>The feelings we have about it are for self-preservation of our
>species, and they are right.
Bigots always have some justification.
--
Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:18:27 GMT
On Tue 24 Apr 2001 05:23, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
[Snip]
>>
>> Hint: "Run As Different User" is not the same as setuid. Under Linux,
>> you don't need to know the root password to burn a CD using this method.
>> I currently use the "Run As" kludge on the Win2K box I maintain for a
>> friend when he wants to burn CDs.
>
> You can certainly create an adminstrator account that doesn't allow
> logging in to use for this purpose.
>
So, let me get this straight: I create a new account, give it membership
in the Administrators group, make sure that I've disabled *every* possible
way of abusing it (including logins, SMB, and remote access), then give it
a zero-length password. Then, when the user double-clicks on a shortcut
with the "Run as different user" option, have them manually type in the
name of this special account, leave the password blank, and click on OK.
Yeah, real intuitive.
If I've erred in any way, please tell me exactly what I'm overlooking. I
really wouldn't mind Win2K so much (other than the ridiculous price) if it
didn't seem so thick-headed compared to Linux.
[Snip]
>>
>> Um, huh? I've never seen ACLs on individual device drivers anywhere in
>> all the time I've tinkered with Win2K.
>
> Haven't tinkered much then, have you. *EVERY* file in the filesystem has
> individual ACL's. What do you think the security tab is for?
>
Oh, so by "change the ACL on the driver", you mean "go hunt for cryptically
named *.SYS files under C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS". Do you change
permissions on aspi32.sys, or atapi.sys, or cdrom.sys, or ..., or all of
the above?
For the record, I managed to get things working as non-Administrator. I
already had C:\WINNT readable/executable by Everyone, and I enabled
loadable drivers per your suggestion. Thanks.
>> Besides, this Linux option grants
>> exactly one program (the CD writing software) the right to directly
>> access the drive, whereas what you suggest gives that right to ALL
>> programs run by the permitted user(s). Given the fact that CD-R drives
>> are somewhat notorious for causing flakiness (under any OS), I would
>> think that the ability to restrict access to a trusted program or two
>> would be a wise thing, especially if you didn't fully trust the user(s).
>
> And the Run As option does just this.
>
Not to my knowledge. Any user can create a shortcut to any program with
the "Run As" box checked and try to run it as "Administrator", but they
still need to enter the password before the program can run. If the
account has no password, then you can run ANY program under that account.
What's to stop a user from creating a batch file, then using "Run As" to
make it run as the passwordless Administrator account? There's no special
option (AFAIK) that permits you to say "OK, this account has Administrator
privileges, but the only program that it can run is creatr32.exe", or
conversely, no way to say "OK, creatr32.exe is a special program that will
always be executed with Administrator privileges."
Making a program setuid-root under *nix makes it switch to root completely
automatically, and programs cannot be made setuid-root by mere mortals.
Better yet, you can make a program setgid to a special group, then alter
the permissions on whatever file you want to protect to permit access only
by that group. The beauty is that, once set up, it's all automatic and
transparent to the users.
>> Note that, under Linux, direct access to the drive is a very different
>> thing from being able to mount the drive and read files from it.
>
> As it is in Windows.
>
Probably true, I was just clarifying the point.
[Snip]
>>
>> I'm not familiar with any way in Win2K that you can use a script to grant
>> or revoke membership in an arbitrary group based on whether or not a user
>> is logging in locally. Perhaps you could elaborate?
>
> You can use a script to check for interactive access, then add or remove
> their account from a group that is given access.
>
What language is this script written in? Does it have to reside in a
certain directory? Do you need to alter the registry to tell it where it
is? How does it determine if the user is interactive or not? Does it run
with Administrator permissions, and if not, how is it able to alter the
user's account? Does the altering of group permissions by an Administrator
take affect immediately, and if not, does the login process halt while the
script runs? Does the script continue to function if the user's account is
stored remotely in a domain? Can you post some example source code, or a
link to some?
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 25 Apr 2001 00:18:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>Nevertheless, the question remains unanswered.
Good, you are learning. Study adverbs for next class.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:23:50 GMT
Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> double clicking minimizes the sort of annoying accidents that a single
> click based system makes all too likely.
> most people who are good at using computers do not understand this, which
> is why properly capitalized companies designing user interfaces hire
> specialists and do studies with actual users instead of confabulating
> from thier irrelevant personal experience.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
You confab with the best of them, jackie!
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:25:59 GMT
Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> how many retailers sell linux machines again?
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> p.s. sneering & not bathing does not a viable marketing strategy make
Only a moron would wonder about the sales of a
free downloadable operating system.
Into the breech steps jackie!
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:40:27 GMT
"Plaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:plasomatic-EC2977.17080524042001@[64.152.100.91]...
> In article
> <0voF6.35066$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Actually, IBM offered three OSes originally: MS-DOS, CP/M,
> > and one other- I think it was Xenix or something like that.
>
> AIX.
No, I don't think that runs on a segmented architecture.
It was something else that tanked, put it was some sort
of vaguely Unixy thingy.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:53:19 GMT
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9q%E6.1338$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [snips]
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > Figured it couldn't be compiler bugs! After some
> > > more dicking around with cleaning up some of
> > > the myriad of warnings, I noticed that the
> > > bad function was pushing an array of structures
> > > onto the stack. Looking at the size of the array,
> > > found it was 64 Mb!
> > >
> > > At that point, we realized that the Intel platform
> > > was the cause of the trouble
> >
> > Really? The Intel platform, eh? Not, say, the programmer who created
> this
> > monstrosity in the first place without a shred of consideration for the
> > possible impact of doing it, no, not his fault, must be the platform.
>
> That was my thinking, too. Why on God's green earth would the programmer not
> anticipate such a thing and simply pass a pointer to the array?
That 64 Mb object was not a /parameter/.... it was a LOCAL VARIABLE!!!!!!
<screams>
Believe it or not!
As for the programmer doing such a stupid thing, he obviously found
that it worked on his platform, so figured all platforms could
handle such a monstrosity!
Chris
--
"Where do you want to hang today?"
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
From: Paul Repacholi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 25 Apr 2001 08:28:05 +0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (SammyTheSnake) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jonadab the Unsightly
> One wrote:
> >Above all, you don't want the computer stopping for no reason, so
> >run it on Unix or VMS, and you won't go down unless there's a
> >hardware problem or some idiot runs a forkbomb.
VMS is not affected by this sort of thing, the 'bomber' runs out of
quota and gets an error.
> not even then if you use a recent version of linux[1]. If each user
> has their own login ID then other users won't even notice :)
Problem is, it is normal that peole DON'T log in in a factory. The
terminals are auto-logged in by station, and run what ever is needed.
VMS has several ways of doing this, up to AMDS.
The oply use for logins is in the lunch room. A few extra 'unofficail
unsuported' terminals in the lunch room and some games does wonders
for the fault call rate, and operator ability to operate a terminal.
--
Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:55:42 GMT
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> Errr... yea, of course. This is my sarcastic reply to the same thing that
> happens whenever Windows advocates are treated to the similar crap about Dr.
> Watson errors ("it crashed the OS") or most any other app fault that seems
> to indicate to the linvocates that all of Windows died cause one application
> bit it. If you are not the same Chris who made those comments then I've
> misdirected my sarcasm, sorry 'bout that.
>
> besides, forget "experience" - a simple read of the post itself is enough to
> know it's not a system crash. I thought my sarcasm was obvious - oh well...
<voice quality="worldly">
My son, that is what the emoticon is for!
</voice>
Ah well, I'm a bad guy, always getting snippy for no reason.
Chris
--
"Where do you want to hang today?"
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:58:07 GMT
Boris Dynin wrote:
>
> > At that point, we realized that the Intel platform
> > was the cause of the trouble (not to mention the
> > dumb way of allocating/using such a large buffer).
> > The code had been originally developed on a SparcStation.
> You are mistaken. Below is a test which I compiled with MS Visual C++ 6 ( I
> set stack size to 66MB in linker stack size option field). It works just
> fine (even if a bit slow) on my home system: 96MB P200.
>
> stacksize.cpp:
>
> #include "memory.h"
> #include "stdio.h"
>
> struct SBig
> {
> char dummy[64000000];
> };
>
> int foo(SBig sBig)
> {
> memset(sBig.dummy,0,sizeof(sBig.dummy));
> return 0;
> }
> main()
> {
> SBig *pSBig = new SBig;
> printf("foo returned %d\n",foo(*pSBig));
> }
>
> Boris
Although that is not exactly the situation I encountered, you're
example is good to know. It also illustrates how the once-mighty
Borland has switched places with Microsoft in the C++ world.
One would think that Microsoft must have hired away all of the
old Borland software engineers.
Oh yeah, they did!
Spasibo,
Chris
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:27:01 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> <snype>
> > As opposed to the bizarre logic that the average 98 user runs mozilla (LOL).
> > I mean if there is one thing that Unix does make easy it's newsgroups. I
> > don't need a bastard operator from hell, I need a nice person who does a
> > good job and can be polite to other staff. "The best in German Engineering",
> > since when has the best in German engineering been started by a Finn? Not
> > just a bit paranoid but also it would appear an obsessive nationalist, like
> > Europe needs more of that. That let's get nationalist thing was in evidence
> > again from the "pomme" character, BTW I'm Irish.
>
> I'm part Irish-Scottish-Spainish (From my fathers, fathers side of the
> family), what this has to do with the conversation, buggered if I know?
> Yet again we have another simpleton who doesn't know what the phrase
> "The best in German Engineering" means. I was referring to the quality
> of the distro, not necessarily the software in it, however, the comment
> did include the many software packages, such as Yast, that SuSE created
> and the projects they contributed to, such as ReiserFS.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> Disclaimer:
>
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
Suse does have the best engineered distribution.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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