Linux-Advocacy Digest #896, Volume #33 Wed, 25 Apr 01 03:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
(d'geezer@d'geezer.net)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Chad Everett)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Lynette Warren)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Jim Richardson)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux advocates posting from Windos 98 (what to do with them) ("pookoopookoo")
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Intel versus Sparc ("Ayende Rahien")
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:15:39 GMT
On Tue 24 Apr 2001 10:21, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
[Snip]
>>
>> So, let me get this straight: I create a new account, give it membership
>> in the Administrators group, make sure that I've disabled *every*
>> possible way of abusing it (including logins, SMB, and remote access),
>> then give it a zero-length password. Then, when the user double-clicks
>> on a shortcut with the "Run as different user" option, have them
>> manually type in the name of this special account, leave the password
>> blank, and click on OK.
>> Yeah, real intuitive.
>
> Who said anything about intuitive? Like changing permissions of on the
> device files are intuitive, or making something setuid is intuitive.
>
Intuitive for the user, not for the administrator. With setuid, it's a one
time thing done by the admin, but with 2K, all the users have to deal with
the hassle of knowing how to use the "Run As" dialog and knowing what
username to enter.
>> If I've erred in any way, please tell me exactly what I'm overlooking. I
>> really wouldn't mind Win2K so much (other than the ridiculous price) if
>> it didn't seem so thick-headed compared to Linux.
>
> You're bitching about intuitiveness, then claiming that Linux is somehow
> more intuitive?
>
Not to get set up, no. Neither system scores big points in that arena.
But once it's set up by the administrator, Linux makes for a much more
straightforward workstation than NT.
> I've got one for you. How do you DENY access to a file or device to
> someone that is in a group that has access to that device? You can't
> in any unix-like permission structure.
>
Yes, you can.
chgrp forbidden /protected/path
chmod 0705 /protected/path
Of course, this only works for exactly one group at a time, and you would
have to nest directories to deny multiple groups and use symlinks to make
the directory structure appear sane to the users.
ACLs can be a nice thing in certain situations, but they are by no means
the only way of doing things, and they come at the cost of being a
decentralized maintenance nightmare.
[Snip]
>> Oh, so by "change the ACL on the driver", you mean "go hunt for
>> cryptically named *.SYS files under C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS". Do you
>> change permissions on aspi32.sys, or atapi.sys, or cdrom.sys, or ..., or
>> all of the above?
>
> And how is that any different from hunging down a cryptically named /dev
> file?
>
The filename describes a logical place in your computer.
/dev<ices>/s<csi><cd>r<om><number>0
/dev<ices>/s<csi>g<eneric><number>0
ASPI is an acronym that is rather obscure to anyone not already familiar
with CD-R software under 'doze.
> aspi32.sys is the file. atapi or cdrom.sys or scsi.sys should already be
> started.
>
>> For the record, I managed to get things working as non-Administrator. I
>> already had C:\WINNT readable/executable by Everyone, and I enabled
>> loadable drivers per your suggestion. Thanks.
>
> You're welcome.
>
[Snip]
>>
>> Not to my knowledge. Any user can create a shortcut to any program with
>> the "Run As" box checked and try to run it as "Administrator"
>
> Not if you deny them access to the "Run As" service.
>
But then they can't run the CD burning software (or, since we fixed that
problem, any other badly written program that needs Administrator access).
>> Better yet, you can make a program setgid to a special group, then alter
>> the permissions on whatever file you want to protect to permit access
>> only by that group. The beauty is that, once set up, it's all automatic
>> and transparent to the users.
>
> You can do the same with setting the permissions of the driver to a
> specific group.
>
But now ALL the programs that those users run will have access to the
driver, and not just the trusted program.
[Snip]
>>
>> What language is this script written in?
>
> Any Windows Scripting Host script, such as VBScript, JScript, Rexx, Perl,
> etc...
>
>> Does it have to reside in a certain directory?
>
> Why would it?
>
>> Do you need to alter the registry to tell it where it is?
>
> Why would you?
>
So that it would run. I assume that Win2K doesn't just scan the local
harddrives for *.vbs and run all of them as Administrator when a user logs
in...
>> How does it determine if the user is interactive or not?
>
> By calling a function to determine so.
>
>> Does it run with Administrator permissions
>
> During login, yes, it can. If it didn't, login scripts couldn't be used
> to modify the computers environment that the user would not normally be
> able to do.
>
I'm aware of the concept, yes. I again ask, how does Windows know which
script to execute with what permissions when logging in?
>> Does the altering of group permissions by an Administrator
>> take affect immediately, and if not, does the login process halt while
>> the script runs?
>
> This makes no sense.
>
Must be my Linux background. A user's group memberships are a completely
temporaneous thing in *nix, and it's part of /bin/login's job to determine
from the system configuration what groups a user should be given membership
in. If the admin edits /etc/group and changes the group membership
settings, the effect does not take place until all the affected users have
logged out and back in.
My question was predicated on a similar thing being true for Win2K, except
with the authenticating program calling a script as the superuser before
starting the user's session.
>> Does the script continue to function if the user's account is
>> stored remotely in a domain? Can you post some example source code, or a
>> link to some?
>
> If you don't know anything about NT login scripts, why don't you say so.
>
I don't know anything about NT login scripts, beyond the
hand-me-down-from-Netware-and-WfWG .BAT files. Enlighten me.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:18:29 GMT
On Tue 24 Apr 2001 11:33, "JS PL" <hi everybody!> wrote:
[Snip]
>
> Neither does Windows2000 pro. You, once again, are working with false
> information. Users can easily burn discs with default user permissions.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Anyone caring to see for themselves simply install CDRWin from
> goldenhawk.com , and burn to your hearts content. I'm sure just about any
> other app will work too.
>
This terrifies me. Users should not have the ability to directly send
low-level commands to the hardware (ANY hardware) by default.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: d'geezer@d'geezer.net
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Reply-To: d'geezer@d'geezer.net
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:21:49 GMT
On 25 Apr 2001 04:12:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:43:35 -0700, Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On 24 Apr 2001 22:42:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>If you ask one of the crime victims, would he/she say that the
>>>>police protected him/her?
>>>
>>>Apparently we have this difference of interpretation. By "protecting
>>>the people" I simply mean "reducing the danger for the people" while
>>>you seem to mean "eliminating the danger for the people".
>>
>>Weasel wording... sigh...
>
>Well, since apparently that made so much of a difference to him,
>I thought it would be a nice gesture to make the intended meaning
>more explicit.
>
>As we say around here, it's not the same un metro de encaje negro...
>
>> I reduce the danger for my self far better than the Government does. I
>>purchase my own seatbelts, my own fire extingushers, my one security
>>systems and my own bullets (and the bastards have the nads to charge me
>>sales tax too...)
>
>If you had no government you would have no traffic lights. That
>seatbelt would get used really quick. Your objection is laughable.
There is no function of government today, including war, that could not be handled
by contract between vendor and public. That includes streetlight manufacture,
installation, and maintenance. In fact, dear boy, a great deal of you think is
being done by the government is being done by contractors for the government, us.
We are the government.
But the did you miss that little detail? He, Gunner, didn't say anything about
doing away with government, only with being responsible for himself in certain
circumstances.
You have a long reach but a weak grasp.
Your critical thinking skills, debating tactics, and your arguments are less than
7th grade level. Go back. Go to school.
d'geezer
>
>--
>Roberto Alsina
"Anyone who wants to get rid of all guns, thinks that the earth should
be ruled by large,strong men with swords and clubs. I think we
already tried that. It was called the Dark Ages."
Christopher Morton, Tue, 27 Mar 2001
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 25 Apr 2001 00:08:00 -0500
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:40:10 -0400, JS PL <hieverybody!> wrote:
>
>"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9c3h9m$bo6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > I did have a paragraph written in response to your 4 year degree
>> > bragging but have decided against posting it. But believe it or not the
>> > easiest money is found in places where 4 year degrees mean nothing.
>>
>> That would be working at McDonalds. You require no degree, no skills and
>> little more than a brain stem. Has to be the easiest source of (not very
>> much) money.
>
>I wouldn't call working at McDonalds "easy money". It looks like a pain in
>the ass to me.
>
Well one thing that really chaps me is the state to which the profession
of grocery bagging has fallen. Grocery bagging used to be an honored
skilled job for many a high school and college student. It is an
art that requires proper techniques of load balancing and weight
distribution. Cokes don't go on top of bread and eggs, etc. etc.
At least in the town I live in, grocery baggers have become a pathetic
breed of pea-brained gorillas who couldn't load a decent bag of
groceries if their life depended on it. A monkey from the zoo
could bag groceries better than these neandrethals they have
working the local grocery stores.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:05:51 -0400
chrisv wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> to confiscate my car, you must show up.
> >
> >Did I give you an exact date?
> >
> >a) yes
> >B) NO
>
> LOL! Maybe right after you "prove" to everyone that you're not
> actually using Windows 98, right?
The only way to prove it would be to reveal what platform I'm
actually running.
>
> OUTED! LOL!
Read the biography about Jasper Maskelyne, titled "The War Magician"
and get back to me.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:21:27 -0400
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:26:31 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > Brent R wrote:
>
> >> Be careful Aaron, not all women are like that, I wouldn't even say the
> >
> > I wasn't referring to "all women" is was referring to that body
> > known as "feminism"
>
> Your version of "feminism" is a straw-women.
No...my version of feminism is women who seek an unfair advantage over men.
>
> > I can name only a handful of American women who openly oppose
> > the Dworkinites....not surprisingly, somewhere around 50% of
> > them are foreign-born and raised.
>
> What a load of cr*p. How many people "openly oppose" the KKK ?
MILLIONS.
Hope that helps.
>
> The vast majority of women disagree with the "Dworkinites". For
> example, what percentage of American women believe that "all sex is
> rape" ???
"date rape" laws are founded on the same idiotic premise
hope that helps.
>
> >> Have you ever seen numbers on how many contemporary women give a shit
> >> about feminism?
> >
> > Any woman who is accepting the ill-gotten gains of sexist, anti-male
> > laws is just guilty as those who fought to get these laws enacted
> > in the first place.
>
> So I suppose that would mean that the Saudi men who take advantage of
> discrimination against women are also "guilty" ?
>
> Even if we were to believe that women do get some sort of "unfair advantage",
> there's no convenient means to reject the gains.
>
> (How many whites "refused the gains of slavery" before it was abolished? Hint:
> none. All of them benefited directly or otherwise)
Oh really. As I recall, over 350,000 whites DIED in a civil war in which
slavery was one of the primary causes.
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Lynette Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Crossposted-To:
soc.men,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.society.liberalism
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:31:54 GMT
Scott Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey, she passed her CPA exam the first try,
Sounds like an intelligent woman.
> works full time, and we share household
> chores completely.
So, Scott, when she wises up, as smart women tend to do in time, and
she realizes what a scam American feminism truly is, are you going to
dump her because she's outgrown your ideology?
Lynette
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From: Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:19:48 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In msgid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roberto Alsina wrote:
on Tuesday 24 April 2001 16:09
> On 24 Apr 2001 23:05:42 GMT, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>: On 24 Apr 2001 22:02:05 GMT, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>:>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>:>
>>:>: Why do you have lethal weapons?
>>:>: If the answer is "to defend myself", who would you be defending
>>:>: yourself against?
>>:>
>>:>
>>:>Most Americans own lethal weapons,
>>
>>: "Most"? You mean over 150 million of them?
>>
>>Over half of all U.S. households.
>
> Really? I knew the US was gun-obsessed but never expected they were
> SO gun obsessed.
>
Kinda like the Swiss, only they have slightly more firearms per capita I
understand.
freedom obsessed, firearms are just a tool.
>>:
>>:>Disclaimer: I am a member of the Ohio Unorganized Militia, but I do
>>:>not speak for it, nor for anyone else. My words and opinions are my
>>:>responsibility alone.
>>
>>: Are you guys planning on starting any revolts in order to restore the
>>: lawful government of the US?
>
> [snip]
>
> A simple "no" would have been enough. Really.
>
It was a pretty dumb question...
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:24:23 -0400
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Roberto Alsina"
> >
> >> After immigrating I could become a citizen. Yet you said I "will
> >> never become a juror". That is not something you can possibly know,
> >
> >Tell us all when you do become a juror within any jurisdiction in the USA.
>
> Let me guess... I immigrate, I naturalize, then I get called, eventually,
> and not disqualify myself, then I am not disqualified during jury selection.
>
how much did you bribe the INS people to naturalizes you, you ignorant twit.
> AFAIK, that would be pretty much the whole path.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "pookoopookoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux advocates posting from Windos 98 (what to do with them)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:33:34 -0400
> I think Linux advocates who create spin and propaganda that they alter
their
> headers when they really are posting from Windows 98 should be hung by
their
> testicles.
Hear Hear!!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:25:56 -0400
Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:38:22 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >Hatred of male-hating sexism =/= hatred of women.
> > >>
> > >> You said women are better off when they are not allowed to walk in
> > >> the street without male company.
> > >>
> > >> That's pretty hateful.
> > >
> > >Ask a woman who'se been raped while walking home alone at night.
> >
> > For a self-proclaimed freedom lover, you have a very hard time
> > noticing the difference between personal preference and enforced
> > restriction.
>
> he has the same problem with microsoft's right to sign contracts and the
> consumer's right to choose whatever os they please.
No..only when the consumer is DENIED the right to choose whatever OS they please.
> but then that's something he has in common with most of his fellow
> socially inept neo maxi zimdweeby compatriots ie linux advocates.
> but at least most of them admit to being communists.
> though they are equally in denial re: thier gayness.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:33:07 +0200
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:xtqF6.198722$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > Visual C++ does have some serious language compliance problems, I
feel.
> > > But C++ Builder, when you use VCL code, is even worse!!!
> > >
> > > Chris
> >
> > I like VC as a very good text editor, ignoring the language compliance
> > (anyone know how VS.NET fares in this matter?), it's a very good tool.
> > I just used a program called ObjectAda, which is a VC clone for Ada, it
was
> > a... learning experiance.
> > One thing I hope VS.NET will do well is to be able to add more language
to
> > it. I *hated* that debugger.
>
> I think VS.NET will be able to run all .NET-based language inside it as
> an IDE.
>
> In fact, I thought I saw that ActiveState was working with MS for
> Perl.NET IDE integration with VS.NET.
I know that it would be able to run .NET lagnuages, the question is, will I
be able to extend the languages?
Assume that couple of months after VS release, there is another language
that support .NET, will I be able to use VS's IDE features for it by
downloading some data file, or will the languages will be fixed?
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