Linux-Advocacy Digest #905, Volume #33 Wed, 25 Apr 01 09:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Larry Kilgallen)
Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("MH")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Jan Vorbrueggen)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Jeffrey Boulier)
Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh! ("Todd")
Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh! ("Todd")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Jeffrey Boulier)
Re: I Love the BSA (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Roy Omond)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Neil Cerutti)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("You've got MALE.. sex organs!")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Bud Frawley)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Matthew Gardiner)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Kilgallen)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 25 Apr 2001 08:08:50 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jerry Coffin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> MIT (share your code with your friend (original "hacker")/Open Source culture)
>
> Nonsense. Ward Christen (an IBM employee) was giving XMODEM away
> when RMS was still just an obnoxious, pretentious loudmouth.
Mr Stallman did not invent the concept, he just advocates something
patterned after the operating procedures used with the PDP-1 at
MIT about 1962 or so. Quite a bit before anything called "XMODEM"
I would say.
==============================================================================
Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> Clusters
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare?
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:10:09 +1200
mlw wrote:
>
> The Microsoft zealots always quote marketshare at some point, have you noticed?
> I started thinking about that, why is it important? Is it important?
>
> I think "why" marketshare is somewhat important, is because you need a
> community of users and developers to create the various software. The days
> where one could write all that they need are long gone.
>
> The real issue is how big does that market need to be? How many active
> users/developers does it take before a system is self sustaining? Also, does
> open source make this number larger or smaller than the equivalent closed
> source?
>
> --
> I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
> ------------------------
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
Put it this way, If I was given 100 Million cash, I would pay
Macromedia, Adobe, Apple, Filemaker, Corel, Lotus, SUN, IBM, and
various hard ware companies to pay for the development of Linux native
software and drivers. Be Inc had the money, they just fucked around for
5 years picking their ass instead of "persuading" software companies
with money to port their product to their platform. The return would be
a 60 (software company)-40(me) split of profits, thus, both sides
benefits, it would be a win-win situation, this would be possible, and
if a few, "I got more money than you could poke a stick at" people threw
in some cash, in two years, there would be a 300% in the number of
commercial applications on the market for linux.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:13:11 GMT
Solution is simple:
Run Photoshop on Linux, print to the HP under Linux using your expensive ink
and paper, and burn all your CD's under Linux using the latest burning
software available. Have fun~
Done deal!
> > Windows 2K Pro with 384Meg RAM and lots of free disk space running
> > Photoshop 6.01 ( a $900 program! ). Windows 2K is at SP1 with all
> > recent windows updates installed.
[ snip ]
> > Printing 5-6Meg JPGs to an HP 880C deskjet (on parallel port) works
> > find *most of the time*. Sometimes only prints 25% to 75% of an
> > image and then just ejects the paper. Really annoying since the
> > high quality photo paper and inkjet cartridges are expensive.
> > Checked out Windows ...
[ usual moaning of blue screens due to an improperly configured system
snipped ]
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From: Jan Vorbrueggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 25 Apr 2001 14:19:16 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > US DARPA (Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency) TCP/IP
> > DARPA itself mostly provided funding. The people they funded are the
> > ones to blame for this particular mess.
> BLAME?
Yes, that's very much the oeprative word here. There were other network
architecture developed contemporaneously which were much better defined,
have much better scaling characterisitics and security, to name a few
issues. But they were and are - at least two of them still exist today,
are supported and in fairly wide-spread use - "proprietary" (although
the specs in these two cases at least were and are published) and not
supported by public money for playing with CS/EE (under)graduates. That's
a competetive disadvantage that cannot be compensated by any technical merit.
Jan
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Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey Boulier)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:28:30 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Nonsense. Ward Christen (an IBM employee) was giving XMODEM away
>> when RMS was still just an obnoxious, pretentious loudmouth. Oh wait
>> -- RMS is an obnoxious pretentious loudmouth to this day...
>
>IBM was giving code away in the 1950's?
Quite possibly. Certainly OS/360 is open source. This is why, even today,
you can run it on your Hercules mainframe emulator. (Or, presumably, under
VM on the Real Thing.) (1)
I don't know that much about IBM's pre-360 line of equipment, but in the
Olden Dayes most computer vendors made the source code available for what
little there was of their operating systems.
Yours Truly,
Jeffrey Boulier
--
Community Source & Support
=======>Prometheus<=======
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:32:28 +0800
Reply-To: "Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > And I hope you realize that NT/2K are completely different in that
> > they are fully 32-bit from the get-go. No DOS at all (except as a small
> > sub-system for compatibility, just like the OS/2 subsystem and POSIX
> > subsystem).
> >
>
> OS/2 does not have a DOS "subsystem". It creates a VDM in which it runs
> a full-fledged version of DOS, any version one wants, actually. Running
> WinOS/2 in a separate session relied on this feature: Every Win app had
> its own PC to fu... er... play with, and only the errant session got
> hosed when the inevitable crash came.
Two things:
1) Not every DOS program worked under the OS/2/DOS system, and
2) OS/2 could be brought down (the whole system) with an errant DOS program
I know. I used to run Warp and it happened sometimes.
However, it was a nice feature when it worked (most of the time).
-Todd
>
> Isn't NT smart enough to create VDMs?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Karel Jansens
> ==============================================================
> "You're the weakest link. Goodb-No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!!"
> ==============================================================
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From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:31:16 +0800
Reply-To: "Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Donn Miller wrote:
> >
> > [x-posted to COMNA to generate flame wa-, I mean discussion.]
> >
> > Now, I don't think you can even boot into DOS with Windows ME. Wonder
> > why? What is the motivation for preventing people from shutting Windows
> > down and running DOS by itself? Of course, one could always dual-boot
> > with some other version of DOS (perferably Caldera OpenDOS), but
> > still...
> >
>
> Didn't someone come up with a hack to run win95 in a DR-DOS (Caldera
> changed the name back, BTW) terminal?
>
> And if not, someone should. It would be extremely kewl.
>
>
> >
> > But does NT really operate the vid drivers in Ring 0? That sounds like
> > Windows 98 to me. (Aaron's favorite OS.) I know NT's video drivers run
> > in kernel space, but I thought they were still restricted to ring level
> > 2.
> >
> Ring 0 has been ordained from Above.
Actually, video drivers under w2k and NT run in both rings. There are
minimal, very strictly defined routines at the executive level, and there is
a whole *lot* more in non-kernel space.
-Todd
> --
> Regards,
>
> Karel Jansens
> ==============================================================
> "You're the weakest link. Goodb-No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!!"
> ==============================================================
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Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey Boulier)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:34:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jan Vorbrueggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>- at least two of them still exist today,
Which two? I'm guessing that SNA is one, but what would be the other
popular proprietary network protocol?
Yours Truly,
Jeffrey Boulier
--
Community Source & Support
=======>Prometheus<=======
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I Love the BSA
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:39:40 +1200
Tim Hanson wrote:
>
> Linux spreading rapidly in Latin America BY JAMES HILLS
> LinuxWorld.com 4/24/01
>
> "On the other side of the struggle are American corporations like
> Microsoft and the Business Software Alliance. As a result of the poverty
> of local nations and other social issues, pirating software has become
> generally accepted in Latin American companies that cannot afford to
> purchase software legally. But by lobbying for tighter laws like the Lei
> de Software in Brazil, American companies are forcing Latin American
> businesses to re-examine their IT strategies. Paying full price for
> proprietary software (which is not practical for many), or using
> proprietary software illegally and facing steep fines or even prison
> time, are unpalatable choices for local businesses. American companies
> may actually be forcing themselves out of the market by passing such
> laws; they have left a gaping hole for Linux to fill."
>
> http://www.itworld.com/Comp/2362/LWD010424latinlinux/
>
> --
> "It's kind of fun to do the impossible."
> -- Walt Disney
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com
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>
Don't we all love the BSA. I get great excitement dobbing in
Win-advocates who use pirated software, already dobbed in 4, great fun.
When asked by BSA what I ran, I reply, "Linux of course!".
As for Linux in the third world, Linux will bridge the gap between the
developing and developed countries. Compare that to Windows that wants
to divide and ensure that those in poor countries don't get ahead. China
are pushing Linux in a big way, imagine if 10% of the population that
have PC's use Linux, that would equate to 120 million end users, not
including government departments that would also use it as well.
Windows = Keeping countries poor
Linux = Helping countries progress forward
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Roy Omond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:40:33 +0100
Jeffrey Boulier wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jan Vorbrueggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >- at least two of them still exist today,
>
> Which two? I'm guessing that SNA is one, but what would be the other
> popular proprietary network protocol?
Not sure about SNA, but DECnet certainly was one (and it was not
"proprietary" for any reasonable meaning of that word).
Roy Omond
Blue Bubble Ltd.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cerutti)
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: 25 Apr 2001 12:50:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GreyCloud posted:
>I couldn't agree more. NT started out using the rings, but then
>somebody just had to speed things up and put the video inside
>the kernel ring. Very stupid if you ask me.
I think they did it because it was the only way they could
quickly and cheaply port the Win98 look and feel to Windows NT.
Their attempts to make a Win98-looking desktop in ring 3
were apparently a failure.
They should have inspected some open-source software for ideas,
like Fvwm95.
--
Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*** Your offworld investment in artificial dumbness paid $350 in
dividends. ***
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From: "You've got MALE.. sex organs!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:00:37 -0600
I understand the wimmen really go for those unix programmer geeks
nowadays. But just for SEX, they want to screw the little geeky brains
out - certainly not for dating!
They particularly like that gynophobic disposition, developed over a
lifetime of not getting laid, or even a smell.
Right, you pathetic little right wing turd unix programmer geek?
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:44:43 GMT, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> > Any man who supports Feminism is a self-flagellating idiot.
> > >>
> > >> Any man who thinks a woman should be paid the same for equal work is a
> > >self
> > >> flagellating idiot?
> > >
> > >No, just any man who marries one.
> >
> > You prefer to marry women that get paid less? Why?
>
> Because women *DO* less.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> >
> > --
> > Roberto Alsina (maybe marrying a rich woman, so I can
> > become a househusband and code free
> > software is not such a bad idea)
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey, virgin, and gynophobe.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:03:19 +1200
Neil Cerutti wrote:
>
> GreyCloud posted:
> >I couldn't agree more. NT started out using the rings, but then
> >somebody just had to speed things up and put the video inside
> >the kernel ring. Very stupid if you ask me.
>
> I think they did it because it was the only way they could
> quickly and cheaply port the Win98 look and feel to Windows NT.
> Their attempts to make a Win98-looking desktop in ring 3
> were apparently a failure.
>
> They should have inspected some open-source software for ideas,
> like Fvwm95.
>
> --
> Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *** Your offworld investment in artificial dumbness paid $350 in
> dividends. ***
KDE 2.1.1 is a very good desktop too. One of the great things with
UNIX/Linux, you aren't tied into any one particular desktop.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Bud Frawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:02:56 -0500
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:37:47 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
> Bud Frawley wrote:
> >
> > On 23 Apr 2001 14:47:38 -0500, Chad Everett said...
> > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:39:49 -0500, Bud Frawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> > > >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:22:44 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
> > > >> jet wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Bud Frawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:44:01 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
> > > >> > > > Bud Frawley wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:13:02 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
> > > >> > > > > > MH wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >> > > > > > > news:9c06um$1o3m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >> > > > > > > > news:vEFE6.1319$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Any man who supports Feminism is a self-flagellating
> > > >> > idiot.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any man who thinks a woman should be paid the same for equal
> > > >> > work is a
> > > >> > > > > > > > > self
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > flagellating idiot?
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > No, just any man who marries one.
> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > Any man who marries a woman who thinks she should get paid the
> > > >> > same as a
> > > >> > > > > > > man
> > > >> > > > > > > > for the same work is a self flagellating idiot?
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > LOL.
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > J
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > Pay is not the issue. I've no problem with women getting equal
> > > >> > pay.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > But try to find a woman who TRULY does equal work...like coming in
> > > >> > early,
> > > >> > > > > > or staying late, as needed. Or going out of town on a business trip
> > > >> > > > > > on short notice....or transferring half way across the country (or
> > > >> > > > > > even to an office 20 miles farther from her house).
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Quite frankly...there are reasons why the STATISTICAL AVERAGE for
> > > >> > > > > > women's pay is so much lower than men...they refuse to go to the
> > > >> > > > > > same lengths that men will to *EARN* it'
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > LOL!!!!! I guess you just proved your not a manager! when my cousin
> > > >> > got
> > > >> > > > > promotyed to manager in his company he showed me the pay list! there
> > > >> > was
> > > >> > > > > 2 different pays 1 for men 1 for women! men got paid $13.00 an hour
> > > >> > when
> > > >> > > > > women got paid $9.00 an hour for the same shift! I told him it's not
> > > >> > fair
> > > >> > > > > and they should pay the same so he filed an greavence. they said no
> > > >> > way.
> > > >> > > > > he quit that job in a hurry! I bet they stop laughing when I call feds
> > > >> > on
> > > >> > > > > this one! they offered him mney to keep quiet but I said no way I'm
> > > >> > > > > keepiung quiet! this is gonna hit the papers when I start talking!
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Men show up for work more reliably.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > LOL!!!! ya right! I left out the part when he showed me there time cards
> > > >> > > because I knew you'd bite! the women get there every day ON TIME! when
> > > >> > > somebody's show's up late it's always a man! those are statistics my boy!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Do you know how much a production work stoppage costs a factory?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > A hell of more than $4.00/hour.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > LOL! like they lower there prices when it stops! you do'nt pay for when
> > > >> > > it stops because the owner is right there! I guess you think he has to
> > > >> > > pay himself when it stops! LOL!!!!!
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > As long as women insist on group rights, then they will suffer
> > > >> > > > group penalties as well.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > By the way, who put a gun to these women's heads and FORCED them
> > > >> > > > to accept $9.00.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > thank's for proving your a complete moron! they either take $9.00 or they
> > > >> > > get fired! that's as bad a holding a gun to there heads if you want to
> > > >> > > support a family!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > It appears that management offered $9.00/hour, and they accepted.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I'm gonna say this one more time so take the beans outa your ears THAT"S
> > > >> > > ALL THE JOB PAYS FOR WOMEN! maybe you should go back to the dumass farm!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > When did he leave?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > J
> > > >>
> > > >> Oooooooooow, ppppppppppoooor pooooooooor strong victims.
> > > >>
> > > >> If women are every bit as capable as men, then how come they can't
> > > >> negotiate their pay?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >gawd you gotta be deaf from you ca'nt hear so well! when a woman asks for
> > > >a raise alls they say is no way the company does'nt allow it! then what's
> > > >she gonna do? she's luckey if they do'nt fire her on the spot! when my
> > > >cousin owned a car dealer he tried to give his secretery a raise because
> > > >she made more money for the company then the salesmen but he could'nt
> > > >because company policy! his boss reamed him out for that little stunt! he
> > > >would of fired him for sure if he did'nt just land a deal for 40 cars at
> > > >full sticker!
> > >
> > > If your cousin owned the company, then who told him it was against company
> > > policy?
> >
> > I guess you never heard of union! you ca'nt pay somebody more then the
> > contract and somebody less!
>
>
> Ah, so it wasn't *company* policy, it was UNION policy.
>
>
> Big difference, idiot.
another moron which does'nt know the union and a company has the same
policy's! that's why they call it an agreement! if the company want's to
give the secretery a raise why did they sign the contract? there the
one's that are the morons! now whose the idiot? it's not me I can tell
you that much!
>
>
>
>
> > > How did the secretaty make more money for the company than the all the
> > > salesmen?
> > >
> >
> > what a moron! I guess you do'nt know who spend's the most on dinner when
> > there doin a big deal! it's not the secretery that's for sure!
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:06:06 +1200
mlw wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Isolated, no. Rare, as in a bank making a press announcement or doing an
> > > interview about an IT change? The only reason we know it, is because someone
> > > signed a deal that by doing so, reduced the cost.
> >
> > Agreed. Yet in other postings you implied that you expect to see an
> > article a year or two from now documenting the failure. What makes you
> > think they would publish something like that?
>
> Because when someone makes a public statement, there are usually many waiting
> for either confirmation or failure.
>
> --
> I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
> ------------------------
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
I couldn't see it happening. Most large businesses very rarely admit
they have have screwed up, either they blame something else, such as the
government, or they just keep it hush-hush in the hope that something
even more exciting will take the analysts fancy.
Matthew Gardiner
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