Linux-Advocacy Digest #49, Volume #34 Mon, 30 Apr 01 06:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Primary and secondary missions (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Ian Pulsford)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Boris Dynin")
Re: there's always a bigger fool ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("Ayende Rahien")
8086's (William Shakespeare)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product ("David Brown")
Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product ("David Brown")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("billh")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Rob Warnock)
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:10:07 +0200 (CEST)
t. max fagass:
> Said Nomen Nescio in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:20:06
> >t. max fagass:
> [...]
> >> >> >>Only insecure people care about others' tastes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Give him a break. He's a welfare recipient.
> >> >>
> >> >> Who cares?
> >> >
> >> >my victims
> >> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >>
> >>
> >> BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
> >
> >jabba is that you?
>
> No, its the Blue Beetle.
you misspelled raja.
> >> Jackie thinks he's got "victims". Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
> >
> >are you sure you want to play a game?
>
> Are you sure you want to get your ass spanked?
did linux reinforce your homosexual bumlooker nature or were you like
this already?
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Primary and secondary missions
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,us.military.army
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:10:10 +0200 (CEST)
Larry Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > No, you have it backwards. Propagating DNA is the primary mission.
> > Getting laid is merely a supporting operation.
>
> A Social Darwinist. How quaint.
look up evolutionary psychology and get back to me.
> I thought Social Darwinism was limited
> to survivalists squatting in their bunkers discussing their imminent
> world domination.
in the great battle between socialism and capitalism which side were
social darwinists on?
a. the winning side
b. the losing side
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts
Date: 30 Apr 2001 16:58:11 +1000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Of course, I have conversely noted that DVD playback works perfectly on
>> my Duron linux box with a TNT2 graphics card, taking something like 30%
>> CPU time, using xine.
>xine? I've not tried that one.
It is lacking in the "cool features" department (and what it has sometimes
has unintended side effects on the sound side), but it does very very
well at the main task, which is playing back the movies.
>> In contrast, my brother's recent upgrade, featuring a Duron and a
>> GeForce2MX, using the DVD playback software included with the graphics
>> card itself, did not produce fluid and smooth DVD playback. Just didn't.
>Windows or Linux?
Windows. The driver came with the card, the playback software came with
the card --- you'd think a company like ASUS would be able to get that sort
of thing right, but no...
Bernie
--
One more such victory and we are lost
Pyrrhus
King of Epirus from 306 BC
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:18:16 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts
MH wrote:
>
> I've been saying this for years. People claiming there is no difference in
> GUI speed, whether real or percieved, must have a space ship double parked
> somewhere as ~everyone~ who has used both operating systems knows. I
> remember running RH on a P90 with 32mb's in an NT dual boot.(state of the
> art pc desktop back in 95) NT's gui was in another universe compared to the
> windowmaker gui on the linux box. What did the advocates say then? "use
> another window manager, WM's too memory hungry". What do we have today?
> Gnome and KDE are the two most popular desktops and when you mention that
> they seem so much slower than the windows gui on the same machine you now
> get "try window maker, those others are hogs". HE-larious!!! Two steps
> foward, three steps back.
I don't think the problem is XFree86 or even KDE or Gnome. The main
problem is that most recent Linux distros that I have seen install with
unnecessary services. Strip away unneeded processes and suddenly Linux
performs much better. I think the major Linux distros could do a much
better job of installation if they started from the ground up instead of
plonking every tool and his dog on the harddisk. cf. FreeBSD
installation: first you install the *OS*, *then* you install whatever
extra crap you want.
IanP
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:27:57 +0100
>> Well, I haven't tried to make many people more tolerant, because the
>> people I am friends with have enough of a moral sense to realise that
>> blind prejudice is wrong. As for the bigots I've tried to convert here?
>> well, they're still bigots. What more can I say.
>
> Unfortunately, many people have no sense of discernment at all. They
> can't tell the difference between judice and prejudice.
>
> I went to a cultural awareness workshop Friday. Two days before I had
> attended a motivational seminar, and the facilitator said that he had
> recently completed a session in San Diego. He was having his book
> translated into Spanish so it would be accessible to teachers in
> Southern California. It seems that there are teachers in the
> California school system that don't speak English.
>
> When I related this at the Cultural Awareness workshop, I was challenged
> about seeing this as a social problem. Evidently the dangers of
> Balkanizing the USA are completely lost on the Cultural Diversity
> industry. They lack judgement, even when confronted with the unpleasant
> consequences of their blind acceptance.
I think I get what you're saying, and I agree: it is a problem if you
have teachers in a predminantly english speaking country who can't speak
the language. For one thing, they can not communicate with most of the
pupils.
>> Another thing is that these bigots assume that I'm homosexual because I
>> am not homophobic and also have a deep dislike of homophobia. This
>> simply shows up the bigotry. I have been careful in this not to mention
>> my orientation once.
>
> I have the same problem. Just because I support the BSA and oppose
> homosexual contact with pubescent boys, people assume I am homophobic.
What's the BSA?
> It is not acceptable to disagree with the Sensitivity Industry. They
> will label you a bigot at the first indication that you don't come to
> the same conclusions they do.
Well, one thing about the true bigots, if you disagree with them on, say,
a matter of homosexuality, you will automatically be branded homosexual.
Just read some of the threads I've been in. chrisv for instance has
assumed that I'm homosexual because I was backing up Chronos Tachyon (who
claimed to be homosexual).
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Boris Dynin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:27:53 -0700
> When I worked on MyTalk web site our QA was using sophisticated test
scripts
> written in VB and Silk.
Btw, MyTalk (now dead) was mostly NT based. All Web servers (and speech
servers) were NT systems. We only used Solaris/Oracle on database servers.
MyTalk was a victim of .com bubble burst.
Boris
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:33:18 +0100
>> > Eeeeek (Out Of Depth Alert). If I knew what an A20 gate _was_, then I
>> > am sure that I too would have equal concerns about it :)
>>
>> An unbelievably arcane feature.
>>
>> Once upon a time, the 8086 had 20 address lines (A0-A19) allowing it to
>> access up to 1MB of memory.
>>
>> Then along came the 286 which had 24 address lines.
>>
>> The 286 which offered amongst other things 8086 compaitbility mode, 286
>> mode, 8086 virtual machine mode and an 8086 enhanced mode.
>>
>> The 8086 enhcnced mode is rather curious. It allows the 286 running in
>> 8086 mode to access the 21st address line A20. However due to a curious
>> segmentation feature (the deatails escape me) it does not double the
>> address space, but merely adds on an extra segment (64K in size, I
>> believe). This feature working on A20 is called the A20 gate.
>
> ...And so I guess that as no one uses this any more is useless
> compatibility baggage. I see! Thanks.
It's truly wonderful, isn't it. And 20 years later, it is still with us,
fossilizes deep in to the strata of the ia32 chips.
I wonder if the ia64 will have it avaliable in backwards compatibility
mode. That would be *really* funny.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:53:28 +0200
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 29 Apr 2001 10:38:14 -0500, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Chad Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hmm, a default Windows install is pretty functional for me.
> >> >
> >> > What specifically are you talking about?
> >>
> >> Lack of a decent command-line interface and a standard API like unix
> >> has.
> >
> >A decent command line interface? Um... what is it you can't do from the
> >command line (that you couldn't do easier/faster from the GUI)???
> >
>
> Too many things to count...here's one: replace the user name embedded
> in every MS-Word *.doc file on all your filesystems with your own name.
>
> here's another: rename every file with a filename extension of .123 on
> all your filesystems to the same filename but a different extension,
> .txt for example.
>
> This could go on forever.....
No, it can't.
Both things are more easily done via a GUI.
Note, not more easily *programed* via GUI (I hate doing GUI work), but they
are easier to use that way.
frex, in the first case, if office offered as extensive search & replace
function as a the search function, that would be trivial to do. Can't think
of why you would want to do that, though.
second case, you have a text field that accept regex, and a second field
that accept file system range, and an a button.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:54:19 +0200
"JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > I don't like the built in burner in XP
> > (can't do labels in my version), and don't want to pollute my computer
with
> > adaptec.
>
> Drop an email to Microsoft. They'll put label capability into XP if you
> ask.
There is label capability, ( at least AFAIK ), just not in my build, which
is a little early.
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From: William Shakespeare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: 8086's
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:15:46 -0700
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> > Eeeeek (Out Of Depth Alert). If I knew what an A20 gate _was_, then I
> >> > am sure that I too would have equal concerns about it :)
> >>
> >> An unbelievably arcane feature.
> >>
> >> Once upon a time, the 8086 had 20 address lines (A0-A19) allowing it to
> >> access up to 1MB of memory.
> >>
> >> Then along came the 286 which had 24 address lines.
> >>
> >> The 286 which offered amongst other things 8086 compaitbility mode, 286
> >> mode, 8086 virtual machine mode and an 8086 enhanced mode.
> >>
> >> The 8086 enhcnced mode is rather curious. It allows the 286 running in
> >> 8086 mode to access the 21st address line A20. However due to a curious
> >> segmentation feature (the deatails escape me) it does not double the
> >> address space, but merely adds on an extra segment (64K in size, I
> >> believe). This feature working on A20 is called the A20 gate.
> >
> > ...And so I guess that as no one uses this any more is useless
> > compatibility baggage. I see! Thanks.
>
Hey wait just one minute now. Up until April 1996 I was still using
my 8086! Damn I loved that box! I was doing real work on it and
getting paid real live money too....word processing, mostly. It never
crashed once. It was so cool....no hard drive (LOL) a whopping 512 KB
of memory (on floppy, mebbe) and a gigantic motherboard for what
purpose I know not. And that eternally uncrashable MS-DOS from 1985.
I think it is now enhancing an ocean fishing reef somewhere.
--
Bill
"The second thing we do, let's kill all the editors." Edited out of
Henry IV, Part I.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:13:52 +0200
Jan Johanson wrote in message <3ae8fb71$0$21689$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>Remember - linux is free if your time is worth nothing.
>
Just like XP registration?
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:30:40 +0200
Jan Johanson wrote in message <3aec34de$0$41608$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> > Hmm, a default Windows install is pretty functional for me.
>> >
>> > What specifically are you talking about?
>>
>> Lack of a decent command-line interface and a standard API like unix
>> has.
>
>A decent command line interface? Um... what is it you can't do from the
>command line (that you couldn't do easier/faster from the GUI)???
>
It is actually possible to do some quite powerful stuff from the NT command
line, using unsupported registery changes like enabling command-line
completion, and after downloading ports of some useful unix utilities (like
grep, less, ln (the only known way to get hard links "supported" by NTFS),
head, tail, sleep, etc.). The Win9x command line is, of course, a complete
joke.
There are vast numbers of uses for which the command line is far faster.
Consider even the simple case of opening a text file in notepad. Especially
with command line completion enabled, entering "notepad file.txt" from a
command prompt is often much faster than finding the appropriate file in
explorer. Deleting all backup files with "del *.~*" is much faster than
openning explorer, switching to sort by extension, then selecting and
deleting.
Many operations which have identical effects from the command line and the
gui run much faster from the command line. Try deleting large directories
with the gui or with "rd /s", or try copying directory trees with explorer
or xcopy. The speed difference is astounding.
>No standard API? You really MUST be joking.
>
MS can't even agree with itself on a "standard" windows API - every version
of windows has different, conflicting APIs. It is fair enough that newer
systems expand on the old API, but MS somehow manages to make each system
slightly different.
And, as usual, you and MS have misunderstood what "standard" means. It
means that several independant groups or people have agreed on it, and that
anyone can implement the standard if they want. "Standard" does not mean
"commonly used". For example, there may be hundreds or thousands of times
more documents in MS Word .doc format than there are in .dvi format (as used
by TeX and LaTeX), but DVI files are a standard and DOC files are not.
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:35:23 GMT
"T. Max Devlin"
> You say that now. But I have no reason to believe the words of an
> admittedly violent man.
I'm posting from uma. I'm in the Army, one of the world's most violent
organizations. You can believe whatever you chose to believe I really
don't care one bit.
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:40:13 GMT
"T. Max Devlin
> It *may* not be ethical to do so with deadly force, if such force is not
> "actually" necessary. I have no more intent than Texas legislators to
> second-guess your reasonable understanding of the situation. I would
> have to declare, however, that you seem not simply justified, but
> anxious, to kill intruders who do not threaten your life.
You now very little about me. You don't even know wgere I live. I really
don't care what I "seem " to you.
> We didn't make any "blanket statements". You did, when you claimed
> prosecution is somehow impossible because you're allowed to kill an
> intruder IF you *reasonably* believe deadly force is necessary. You
> play on the idea that we are forced to believe you are reasonable, until
> AFTER you kill a couple people for trying to steal your stereo. There
> is no way I am going to give you the benefit of doubt, after such an
> occurrence, and I don't care whether it was a legal action.
Name some cases of such prosecutions in Texas.
>
> >As I said, in that scenario of a thief with one
> >foot in your house and another out with you property in his hands, in
some
> >jurisdictions deadly force is legal and the property owner will not be
> >prosecuted. I cited the law in Texas. Both you and Roberto were wrong.
>
> Roberto and I were talking about the ethics of killing people, not the
> law in Texas.
And I simply state that Roberto was wrong regarding prosecutions using Texas
as an example. I stand by that position.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Warnock)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 30 Apr 2001 09:58:16 GMT
Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+---------------
| I have an old Time magazine from 1971. There's a two page add for
| RCA Computers in there where they promise to port all your
| software to the RCA platform for you if you buy their product!
| Who could afford to do that today?
+---------------
Anybody. The RCS Spectra 70 series was (in user mode, at least)
completely compatible with the IBM 360 architecture, so that
most programs ported directly with no trouble at all. Even the
channel I/O was the same (almost exactly).
Think of Intel Pentium & AMD Athlon, and you'll get a good idea
of the degree of "porting" that was really going on...
-Rob
=====
Rob Warnock, 31-2-510 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SGI Network Engineering <URL:http://reality.sgi.com/rpw3/>
1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy. Phone: 650-933-1673
Mountain View, CA 94043 PP-ASEL-IA
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