Linux-Advocacy Digest #64, Volume #34 Mon, 30 Apr 01 17:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: there's always a bigger fool ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I Love the BSA ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The upgrade (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Andrew J. Brehm)
Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: IE (Neil Cerutti)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh! (Rob S. Wolfram)
Re: Microsoft and McCartheism (Richard Thrippleton)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:12:27 -0400
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "Zippy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > i doubt anybody is going to be buying an ia64 to run windows. there's a 64
> > > bit version of NT and associated SDKs, but most of these processors will
> > > end up running some version of Unix.
> >
> > Intel would like to sell 64bits proccessors, as well as AMD.
> > What do you think the consumer will take, the latest, best, 64 BIT!!! (In
> > giant red letters)
>
> considering how poorly the pentiumpro did in the consumer marketplace,
> i would say no.
>
> > or a simple 32bits that will serve it just as well ? And only NT4
> > run on 64bits, which is nice, but I want 2K or XP on a Hammer or a
> > mckinely. Not that I *need* to do this, but it would be nice.
> > Anyone can guess when we will see 128bits proccessors?
>
> we probably won't see consumer oriented 128 bit processors. 64 bits
> is enough for most everything. when you need 128 bits, it will
Define "enough" and "most everything"
> usually be in the AND, OR, XOR bit ripping stuff or AND and SUB where
> you just paste two 64 bit operations together. which is what 8 and 16
> bit processors had been doing all along to get 32 bits.
>
> 2^63 is an enormous quantity in a way that 2^31 is not. moore's law
> notwithstanding.
>
> [1]> (expt 2 63)
> 9223372036854775808
> [2]> (expt 2 31)
> 2147483648
>
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Don't Fear the Penguin!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:17:38 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Austin Ziegler in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 29 Apr 2001
> >On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> [...]
> >Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance. (See below.)
>
> Quit being a troll, goofball.
>
> [...]
> >It says that he wrote the specification. Perhaps the little bit of
> >batch file putzing that you've done hasn't introduce you into the
> >concept of a specification separate from the implementation. This is
> >quite common in C++ and in various other languages (Ada, PL/SQL, etc.).
> >Yes, you write some code; no, it isn't functional without a body (the
> >implementation). It's an API to the functions within that package.
>
> No, it is documentation for the API to the functions within that
> package. Get over your abstraction error, and get back to me.
No, that wasn't documentation, that was API.
Application Programming *Interface*.
API is about *interface*, not about implentation.
In the above case, I ceated an array class, which can be interfaced via
several functions.
Nowhere did I explained how I'm going to do it.
In fact, I mentioned several ways I could do it, which *wouldn't affect at
all* any code that is using this class.
Windows API, frex, is stored inside windows.h (and included files) in very
much the same way.
Are you now going to claim that Windows' API are no API, but documentation
What you need to know about a function in order to use it is:
A> It's name.
B> It's parameters.
C> It's return type.
D> What it does.
How it does it is of no interest to anyone.
In fact, it's considered bad manners to tell how you do it.
If you reveal too much in the API, you might create code that relies on this
implementation, and will not be able to change the implentation afterward.
Again, what is your programming experiance, T. Max? These stuff is covered
in CS101, as well as any decent book in any language I can think of.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:19:34 -0400
Ed Allen wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I couldn't agree more. It is only the cognitive dislexia of the
> >conservative position which makes me seem to prefer the Democrats. I'd
> >prefer a party half-way between the current liberals and the putative
> >libertarians, if the libertarians could only see their way to
> >jettisoning their anti-government rhetoric.
> >
> I insist that they stop believing that corporations are the highest
> form of life ever envisioned.
Compared to government, corporations are benign.
Corporations do not have the power to tax, nor do they have police
with arrest powers, nor courts and prisons
Hope that helps.
>
> As for Democrats and Republicans I dislike them both. Neither one
> seems to believe in Constitutional government. They both serve
> corporate interests above the public ones, they just don't make
> worshipful noises like the Libertarians.
Libertarians are honest enough to admit that they see a legitimate
role for corporations.
Democrats make public announcements chastising corporations while
cynically, and hypocritically, making secret deals with them.
Republicans...depends on which brand of Republican you have
Some are Democrats with an (R) after their name, and others
are more of the Libertarian bent.
>
> --
> Linux -- The Unix defragmentation tool.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I Love the BSA
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:21:01 -0400
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > GreyCloud wrote:
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think you need to clarify 'handouts' vs. the truly needy.
> > > > > I have several friends that have children in their 40's that are
> > > > > disabled due to schizophrenia. One was attending college and was a
> > > > > straight A student. Half way thru his 4 year degree he suffered from
> > > > > schizophrenia... he started to hear voices that he had absolutely no
> > > > > control over. Ruined his start... never had a chance to save or even
> > > > > contribute to an insurance policy. Last I heard, he was living in a
> > > > > cardboard box behind a major brand store... they complained to the
> > > > > police and had him put in jail.
> > > > > He's now in prison for an illness that he could not control.
> > > > >
> > > > Don't you have a health system over there? in New Zealand he would be
> > > > admited to a Mental Hospital, then after recieving the appropriate
> > > > medication, learnt when/how to take their medication and the person feels
> > > > confident, they are then re-introduced into the commmunity, if they are
> > > > capable of working, a part-time job will be setup, and the short fall, aka
> > > > the difference between the money earn't, and the cost of living, is then
> > > > made up by social welfare.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes, but it sucks bad. The mental health care system is managed
> > > differently in each state. There was a TV article about this... most
> > > mentally ill have to commit a crime before getting any Mental Care and
> > > the scenarios they had shown weren't pretty.
> > >
> > Well, that's Aarons glorious Right-Wing economic policies in action.
Libertarianism is ANTI-fascist.
Hope that helps.
> > What there needs to be is capitalism with compassion, many of these
> > companies must accept they have a social/moral responsibility. IBM,
> > offers great offers to US students, yet in NZ, students are screwed!
> > hello? the world is out there! and they (IBM) are STILL after being in
> > New Zealand for several decades why they are still losing money from
> > their New Zealand subsidiary.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
>
> Well... California was one of the focal points of this TV news article.
> California is pretty much Democrat country. California was the one that
> really won't help anybody with a mental illness unless the individual
> commits a crime, which at this stage forces the state to handle it. I
> think that its more a money issue turned political, in the sense that
> mental illness treatment is very expensive in the long run, not only in
> medications, but in servicing them in either institutions or boarding
> homes. This usually lasts the lifetime of the mentally ill.
>
> > --
> > Disclaimer:
> >
> > I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
> >
> > If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
> >
> > Running SuSE Linux 7.1
> >
> > The best of German engineering, now in software form
>
> --
> V
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The upgrade
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:22:11 GMT
jim wrote:
> Unix is for Physics Majors and Chemistry teachers. Please leave it to the
> experts!
I have a degree in Electronics Engineering and one in Computer Science. I
got an 'A' at A-level physics (plus four other 'A's).
I think I'm qualified.
--
Pete
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew J. Brehm)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:23:33 +0200
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ed Allen wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >I couldn't agree more. It is only the cognitive dislexia of the
> > >conservative position which makes me seem to prefer the Democrats. I'd
> > >prefer a party half-way between the current liberals and the putative
> > >libertarians, if the libertarians could only see their way to
> > >jettisoning their anti-government rhetoric.
> > >
> > I insist that they stop believing that corporations are the highest
> > form of life ever envisioned.
>
> Compared to government, corporations are benign.
>
> Corporations do not have the power to tax, nor do they have police
> with arrest powers, nor courts and prisons
>
> Hope that helps.
The corporation that provides my phone line has the same power (and
right) to demand that I pay for it as the state that provides my
education, protection, and social security.
If I don't like the phone service I will either pick a different
corporation or move to some place where another corporation provides
phone lines.
If I don't like the state service I will either vote for a different
party or move to some place where another state provides the above
services.
Hope that helps.
--
Fan of Woody Allen
PowerPC User
Supporter of Pepperoni Pizza
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:23:51 -0400
JS PL wrote:
>
> "Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Said Chris Ahlstrom in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 25 Apr 2001
> > >04:10:58 GMT;
> > >>Chad Myers wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I had to mention this, because, believe it or not, many Windows-haters
> > >>> don't realize this and still think that WinNT or 2K are sucky like
> > >>> Win3.1 or Win95 and seek to insult it at such a level which is, as
> > >>> I'm sure you agree, really ignorant.
> > >>
> > >>True. Still, Microsoft has only started to realize the value of
> > >>the UNIX style, and their software still is amazingly buggy for
> > >>a company that supposedly devotes a lot of resources to testing.
> > >
> > >But they are trying really hard to emulate Unix, aren't they? Or should
> > >I say "simulate"?
> > >
> >
> > From a Usenet signature:
> >
> **************************************************************************
> > "Those who do not understand UNIX are doomed to re-invent it--badly"
> > -Henry Spencer
> >
> **************************************************************************
> >
> > MS seems to be doing just that.
>
> Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, that's why there are things
> like this:
> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos/images/Icons/navHome2.gif a near
> exact rip-off of the home button in IE.
>
> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/screenshots/traktopel2.png a complete rip-off
> of the Windows XP graphical interface.
The XP look and feel was taken from KDE, shit-head.
>
> Then there's the Office rip-offs
> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/screenshots/venus1.jpg
>
> It's like a whos-who list of plagiarists!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cerutti)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: IE
Date: 30 Apr 2001 20:24:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Pye posted:
>"Neil Cerutti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>But you can't get them to default to spanning the entire width
>as they should...
>
>Creating my own tags is a favourite pass time, people can turn
>off the CSS if they want, but it always seemed like a silly idea
>to me... ;)
>
>Admittedly there might be the issue with turning them off, but
>most people don't even know how to do that even if they know you
>can or would want to...
It wouldn't work for somebody who wanted their own CSS style
sheet to override yours, either.
>It isn't really a suitable site for text only browsers, there is
>far too much information to be presented in a console screen...
That's kind of a mouthful considering how much information I've
read using Lynx. ;-)
But, yeah, it looks nice with CSS turned on. I just wish you could
be done without eschewing headings tags.
--
Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*** One of your mules lost a bolt. Repairs cost you $150. ***
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:26:45 -0400
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> Well, I haven't tried to make many people more tolerant, because the
> >> people I am friends with have enough of a moral sense to realise that
> >> blind prejudice is wrong. As for the bigots I've tried to convert here?
> >> well, they're still bigots. What more can I say.
> >
> > Unfortunately, many people have no sense of discernment at all. They
> > can't tell the difference between judice and prejudice.
> >
> > I went to a cultural awareness workshop Friday. Two days before I had
> > attended a motivational seminar, and the facilitator said that he had
> > recently completed a session in San Diego. He was having his book
> > translated into Spanish so it would be accessible to teachers in
> > Southern California. It seems that there are teachers in the
> > California school system that don't speak English.
> >
> > When I related this at the Cultural Awareness workshop, I was challenged
> > about seeing this as a social problem. Evidently the dangers of
> > Balkanizing the USA are completely lost on the Cultural Diversity
> > industry. They lack judgement, even when confronted with the unpleasant
> > consequences of their blind acceptance.
>
> I think I get what you're saying, and I agree: it is a problem if you
> have teachers in a predminantly english speaking country who can't speak
> the language. For one thing, they can not communicate with most of the
> pupils.
>
>
> >> Another thing is that these bigots assume that I'm homosexual because I
> >> am not homophobic and also have a deep dislike of homophobia. This
> >> simply shows up the bigotry. I have been careful in this not to mention
> >> my orientation once.
> >
> > I have the same problem. Just because I support the BSA and oppose
> > homosexual contact with pubescent boys, people assume I am homophobic.
>
> What's the BSA?
Business Software Alliance.
They're Bill Gates' GeStaPo.
>
> > It is not acceptable to disagree with the Sensitivity Industry. They
> > will label you a bigot at the first indication that you don't come to
> > the same conclusions they do.
>
> Well, one thing about the true bigots, if you disagree with them on, say,
> a matter of homosexuality, you will automatically be branded homosexual.
> Just read some of the threads I've been in. chrisv for instance has
> assumed that I'm homosexual because I was backing up Chronos Tachyon (who
> claimed to be homosexual).
>
>
> --
> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>
> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob S. Wolfram)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!
Date: 30 Apr 2001 12:42:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, Win95 was slightly different. It was 32-bit protected and actually
>had the beginnings of a "kernel" in that it had a seperate virtual memory
>manager (VMM32) and had decent 32-bit process isolation.
>
>You could boot to DOS in Win95 and type Win, but you weren't really running
>Windows on DOS at that point, Win95's VMM basically took over. It's similar
>to how Novell 3.x and 4.x ran. You could type nwserver (or whatever it was)
>from DOS, but you weren't really running NetWare on DOS, you were running
>NetWare.
I disagree here. If this were true, then 16-bit applications should not
be able to crash the complete OS, but at most the set of 16-bit apps.
Just a trivial demo: (CAVEAT: THIS *WILL* CRASH YOUR OS)
Start a DOS box while running W95, W98 or WME and run debug. Issue the
command "f 0:0 ffff 5" which fills your lower 64k of memory while in
16-bit mode, with the value 5. This locks the whole system and the
power-button is the only way out.
Running server.exe to load Netware or loadlin.exe to load Linux is a
very different story. These *do* use DOS as a bootloader only and DOS is
not in control after that. Guess what, if I'd do the same trick in a
DOSemu session after I loaded Linux with loadlin.exe, it would crash my
DOSemu session alone. Everything else would still run along. *There'*
the difference.
Cheers,
Rob
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Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key 0xD61A655D
`Anyone who says you can have a lot of widely dispersed people hack
away on a complicated piece of code and avoid total anarchy has never
managed a software project.' - Andy Tanenbaum in 1992 on comp.os.minix
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft and McCartheism
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:16:56 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Martel wrote:
<snip>
>The register's so much fun though! Those guys write more in the
>flaming spirit of Usenet.
>
>Whatever slant anyone puts on this story, there's still that
>not-so-hidden threat that current MS customers who buy empty systems
>so they can load them up with linux are risking the disruption and
>possible expense of an MS audit of their Windows systems.
>
Maybe I'm being a bit naive/ignorant here, but how do MS have the
right to inspect anybody's PC just because they bought it without Windows??
I was under the impression that only the police could obtain forced search
rights.....
Richard
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