Linux-Advocacy Digest #73, Volume #34 Mon, 30 Apr 01 22:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: The upgrade (Terry Porter)
Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are liars. ("billh")
Re: Bill Hudson caught LYING again. ("billh")
Re: Baseball ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The upgrade (WJP)
Re: OEM Windows licenses not transferable to charities (Alan)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 01:29:23 GMT
Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 30 Apr 2001
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> "Theoretically" possible, but you only believe this theory because you
>> are trying to discount their illegal activity to ensure that they didn't
>> have to be so 'awkward' as to have to compete.
>
>Or perhaps the only reason you believe DOS's success to have
>been crucial is that you can't bear to believe that consumers
>prefered Windows way back in '91.
That couldn't be, no, because DOS didn't "succeed" it "monopolized".
>Still, consider that the facts of the matter don't really
>depend on our reasons for believing in them.
The difference between us then is that I don't allow this fact to rob me
of my reason.
>> >They'd have needed their own CP/M clone or something
>> >more elabroate- but that's clearly not a big problem.
>>
>> No, it's simply non-sensical. DOS already was in many respects a CP/M
>> clone.
>
>Exactly. That's why I say it is "clearly" not a big problem; they
>managed to do it historically.
No, they didn't, they did it with DOS. It is because they *owned* DOS,
not because of any particular technical issue, that it was *necessary*
for Windows to be "successful".
>They would have had to make a closer copy if CP/M had
>succeeded, but Digital Research was able to do that to
>MS-DOS, so it's hard to see a reason MS could not have
>done it.
Because it wouldn't have provided enough proprietary lock-in. It is the
*anti-competitive* 'merits' of DOS, not any competitive merits of it
(or, alternatively, anything else) which was important. Historically.
>The same strategy that worked historically would have
>worked had CP/M been the winner in the early 80s. We
>would have had CP/M/Windows for a while, that's all.
No, I really don't think it would have worked. Neither CP/M or DOS
would have been an issue if the first attempt to monopolize, with ROM
BASIC, hadn't failed to prevent competition on the PC platform.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 01:29:24 GMT
Said JS PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:17:04 -0400;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
[...]
>> >Even though they could run
>> >it, they won't.
>>
>> Even though they might, they can't. It would prove too expensive and
>> time consuming to avoid MS software while maintaining connectivity, a
>> well-supported supply basis, familiarity by general staff, all at the
>> same time, merely to avoid monopoly crapware.
>
>Too expensive? I don't get it? [...]
We're well aware of that.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: The upgrade
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 01 May 2001 01:27:38 GMT
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:22:11 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> jim wrote:
>
>> Unix is for Physics Majors and Chemistry teachers. Please leave it to the
>> experts!
>
> I have a degree in Electronics Engineering and one in Computer Science. I
> got an 'A' at A-level physics (plus four other 'A's).
>
> I think I'm qualified.
I think your qualified too .... but at what?
Certainly as a Linux user, youve run into all kinds of problems that the
undegreed have no problems with.
Perhaps your overqualified to play with Linux Pete ;-)
>
> --
> Pete
>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 04:29:55 +0200
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:xKnH6.1674$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> Guess what, if I'd do the same trick in a
> > DOSemu session after I loaded Linux with loadlin.exe, it would crash my
> > DOSemu session alone. Everything else would still run along. *There'*
> > the difference.
>
> That's because Linux is a fully 32-bit protected memory OS whereas Win9x
> is like 3/4 of the way there.
Yep, it got 3/4 of the way and then it got lost :)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:30:09 -0400
billh wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>
> > That which supports strategic goals as opposed to tactical goals.
>
> LOL!!! You've out done yourself, wannabe.
Then, Bill, I'm sure you can provide us with a better concise
definition of "strategic," right, asshole.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:30:15 -0400
billh wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>
> > That which supports strategic goals as opposed to tactical goals.
>
> LOL!!! You've out done yourself, wannabe.
Then, Bill, I'm sure you can provide us with a better concise
definition of "strategic," right, asshole.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
us.military.army,alt.destroy.microsoft,soc.singles,soc.ment,alt.military.folklore,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are liars.
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 01:32:19 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> rifleman1 wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > So your clearly erroneous claim that the C-130 is a strategic
platform
> > > > is now joined by your contention that tanks are construction
vehicles?
>
> The point, Bill Hudson,
LOL!!! You're seriously confused. Have I got you so addled, you see me in
every post.
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson caught LYING again.
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 01:33:35 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> So, you were lying when you claimed that you don't wear a uniform.
LOL!!! I wear one nearly every day. I once had an assignment where I
didn't. Never said otherwise. Figure it out, wannabe.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:45:43 -0400
Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> t. max fagass:
> > Said Nomen Nescio in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 25 Apr 2001 03:20:02
> > >Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eeped:
> > >> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > how many retailers sell linux machines again?
> > >> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> > >> >
> > >> > p.s. sneering & not bathing does not a viable marketing strategy make
> > >>
> > >> Only a moron would wonder about the sales of a
> > >> free downloadable operating system.
> > >
> > >funny, i could have sworn i saw a bunch of nerdos whining about how
> > >mean old microsoft was preventing retailers and vendors from selling
> > >machines with linux preinstalled via those mean nasty monopolistic
> > >agreements.
> >
> > Well, this is an 'abstraction error' on your part, hinging on the
> > concept of 'prevent'. It is not a physical barrier, and therefore
> > exceptions to its effects are not contradictory to its existence.
>
> all products face the problem of reaching the consumer. if people wanted
> linux they could get it.
When OEM's aren't even allowed to show non-Microsoft system in
their catalogs....how then, do you posit that the average consumer
is going to even discover that there are non-Microsoft alternatives?
Most consumers don't "want" windows, any more than they want a specific
brand of gasoline in the tank when they pick up a new car from the
dealership...it's simply what's in there when they purchase it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: WJP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The upgrade
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:51:40 -0500
On 30 Apr 2001 02:13:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:36:16 GMT,
> Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I upgraded my 400MHz Pentium PII to a VIA system with an AMD Duron 850MHz.
>>
>> Windows 98 SE reinstalled everything and had to reboot a few times to
>> complete the change over. It also sometimes crashes on shutdown.
>>
>> Linux SuSE 7.1 just... worked. Hey!
>>
>> --
>> Pete
>>
>I had the same thing happen when I upgraded my mobo around 1998
>Win98 went into 'safe' mode, and RedHat4.2 worked as usual.
>
In my experience, it is nearly impossible to move a hard drive with
Windows 98 (any version) from one mobo/machine to another. For some
unknown reason, it appears that Windows treats each machine like it has
taken its "finger prints", and will not relent until re-installed and a
new set of "finger prints" is developed. (Side note: perhaps XP is just
further expansion on this factor.) My neighbor is setting up a 950mhz
noname for a friend of his and is going through that same goatrope as I
type this message. Yes, there were plenty of "install new hardware"
screens, and after the three reboots and one lockup, the PC is now at a
"dead end".
And that's why I am headed toward totally Linux - change hard drives
from one machine to another, no big deal. It works!
Regards,
Bill Powell
USAF/USA (Ret) Management Systems Analyst
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: OEM Windows licenses not transferable to charities
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 01:58:49 GMT
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:54:55 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If it's not in the EULA, then it's not in the license.
>
Yes my EULA says the software can stay with the hardware if I sell it
(but the certificate goes with it, GEE that paper with the hologram is
the only thing that says the software is NOT pirated????).
Anyway, found this interesting tidbit also in the EULA (WIN-98 first
edition). Please excuse the all caps, but that is how it is in the
documentation
<begin quote>
8. NOTE ON JAVA SUPPORT.
THE SOFTWARE PRODUCT MAY CONTAIN SUPPORT FOR PROGRAMS WRITTEN IN JAVA.
JAVA TECHNOLOGY IS NOT FAULT TOLERANT AND IS NOT DESIGNED,
MANUFACTURED, OR INTENDED FOR USE OR RESALE AS ON-LINE CONTROL
EQUIPMENT IN HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENTS REQUIRING FAIL-SAFE PERFORMANCE,
SUCH AS IN THE OPERATION OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES, AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION OR
COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, DIRECT LIFE SUPPORT
MACHINES, OR WEAPONS SYSTEMS, IN WHICH THE FAILURE OF JAVA TECHNOLOGY
COULD LEAD DIRECTLY TO DEATH, PERSONAL INJURY, OR SEVERE PHYSICAL OR
ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE.
<end quote>
hmmm.... I guess this is somewhat better than just putting rogue error
messages into DR-DOS, but it's still FUD. Funny FUD.
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