Linux-Advocacy Digest #77, Volume #34             Tue, 1 May 01 01:13:04 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Baseball ("Quantum Leaper")
  Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product ("Erik Funkenbusch")
  Re: t. max devlin: kook ("Quantum Leaper")
  Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL)
  Re: OEM Windows licenses not transferable to charities ("Erik Funkenbusch")
  Re: Baseball (GreyCloud)
  Help: Bought out by MS geeks...  (kool breeze)
  Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (GreyCloud)
  Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4    are         liars. 
(Gunner ©)
  Re: OEM Windows licenses not transferable to charities (Dave Martel)
  Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company (GreyCloud)

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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 03:46:52 GMT


"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> >
> > all products face the problem of reaching the consumer. if people wanted
> > linux they could get it.
>
> In its free form, the people require a broadband connection to get Linux.
> In its cheap and easy form ($25 for Mandrake at WalMart), it is probably
> still pretty attractive.  However, the vast majority of operating system
> purchases, Microsoft or otherwise, aren't made via the store.  They are
> made via pre-loaded versions of the operating system on machines sold
> by vendors.  We know the history of how Microsoft came to dominate
> this market.
>

The last pre-loaded version of Microsoft OS was in 1995,  it was WFWG3.11,
the next computer I built from parts and installed Win98 (OEM,  I bought it
from the company who sold me the 6G HD,  a month after I bought my P400).
I just recently install Windows 2K on the some machine,  I got the free from
MS.   I won their Win2K sweepstakes. (1 of 6000).
If I wanted too,  I could easily install Linux,  but it DOESN'T support my
DVD atleast for movies,  and the selection of games on it suck.  There is a
total of 2 games,  out of 12 or more games,  available on Linux....

> > they don't want it because no one has managed
> > to convince them it is a superior system.
>
> There is some merit in what you say... most people are users, not
> computer hobbyists.
>
Also alot of people want to use the same OS as they do in the workplace.
Linux has to get from the backrooms to the desktop in business' before they
will see some growth in the desktop market.   About 90% of the people I know
bought a computer with windows because they used it at work.

> > that is the real barrier linux
> > faces. if that barrier were overcome it would be trivial for clone
> > assemblers to start offering linux machines and mom and pop shops to
> > spring up all over the country selling them to consumers.
>
> This is already happening, in a small way.
>
I know of ONE mom and pop shop around here that supports Linux and the
others are looking into it.

> > the problem,
> > which you refuse to face, is that there is no reason for a consumer to
> > want to use linux.
>
> Right... no marketing to speak of, no local computer shop willing to
> risk promoting Linux, an invisible aura of Microsoft superiority.
>
> > a competing system must offer a decisive advantage in
> > order to displace an existing system. as yet no one has presented a
> > convincing case that such an advantage exists for a non-system admin
like
> > myself.
>
> You've missed some arguments by coming to the table a little late.
> Stay tuned, as they will surface again.
>
Unlike him,  I have been around advocacy for a long time,  and there really
hasn't been a convicing case on the merits of Linux,  other than it not MS.

> > and microsoft's nefarious practices have nothing to do with this.
> > in fact allegations of evil on the part of microsoft appear to make up
> > the bulk of the linux advocates' case.
>
> That's only because a minority of advocates are very vocal about the
> evils of Microsoft.
>
You mean like TMax?

> > said allegations being completely
> > irrelevant to the task at hand - me getting stuff done on my machine.
>
> Irrelevant?  Now, perhaps.  However, Microsoft is slowly adding
> barriers to your productivity, unless you pay (and I don't just mean
> paying for the OS and some tools to go with it).
>
> > if you want to convince me to switch systems you need to focus
exclusively
> > on what is in it for me.
>
> We don't want or need to convince you, as you generally come
> across as playing the troll game.
>
Your playing the same game,  you realize by crossposting the message....

> > this means forgetting about the list of charges
> > against gates and discussing the list of advantages to linux.
>
> Done already, ad nauseum.
>
If you want to read a few hunderd messages to get a few advantages, which
haven't convinced many to switch...

> > also keep
> > in mind these advantages must be substantial. if, for example,
staroffice
> > is merely 'just as good' as microsoft office then i gain nothing by
> > switching over.
>
> Except stopping your cycle of upgrade costs.  Assume you pay for
> your Microsoft software in the first place, which is a fairly
> big assumption today.
>
The problem is MS isn't driving the upgrades,  games make people upgrade
their computer more often than an OS.  I could have stuck with Win95 and
Office 95 and been complete happy.  Though I wouldn't not have had the
ability to play any of the games I currently play.


> > i would also mention that system stability is not enough.
> > windows crashes are annoying but they are not annoying enough for me to
> > switch to another system, even if, as is claimed, that system never
> > crashes.
>
> You're a patient man, Nescio-so.
>
Most users are patient,  you have to be,  a slow computer,  a unstable
system,  and all the rest.  Even my friend who has a 1GHz computer,  wishes
he had gotten the 1.5 GHz.

> > i use language in a way that a normal end user would understand it.
> > by 'the system' i mean the operating system and the whole complex of
> > applications that run under it, including the user interface. the fault
in
> > linux, as outlined above, is that it offers no substantial advantages
> > from the desktop user's point of view. this is quite invisible to you
> > because your priorities are entirely different. did you read dan
mocsny's
> > message discussing the human expert mediated interface? if not look it
> > up. it summarizes the problem and proposes a solution.
> > implement said solution and gates will be up nights in a cold sweat.
> > ignore it and he'll just keep pissing in your face.
> > guess which way i bet?
>
> Of course we can guess.  You've shown your agenda often enough.
>
You have shown your also.....





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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:49:22 -0500

"Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> Yeah these Wintrollslike you need to get a life, and advocate your sad
> Ms OS, in the relevant groups.

I appologize.  I seem to have a huge mistake by thinking you wanted to have
serious discussions.  After reading the last few dozen responses from you, I
realize now that you only want to call people names and insult them, while
keeping your mind completely closed.





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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 03:53:33 GMT


"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Peter Hayes in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:00:26
> >On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 05:49:54 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> >If the Apple Lisa, Classic or whatever it was that I saw in Lasky's
store
> >> >in Glasgow in the early 80s had launched its apps with a single mouse
click
> >> >I would have been attracted to it, maybe even bought one. As it was,
all I
> >> >got was precious little, and I left unimpressed.
> >>
> >> Live and learn.  Who was worse off for this, you or Apple?
> >
> >Apple. Mind you, I now hate the things for their closed proprietry
hardware
> >and inefficient outdated OS (OSX excepted, since I've not seen or used it
I
> >can't pass judgement). So, thankfully, I missed buying Apple.
>
> Well, you're the one complaining, and I don't recall any press releases
> bemoaning their loss.

I don't think you need a press release for something like that,  just take a
look at market share..


> >>[...]Voices are for talking, not for executing processes.
> >
> >I agree. A VCI works in Startrek, but I can't see people entering values
> >into a spreadsheet with one, especially in a busy office.
>
> I can't even see using VCI for light switches and such.
>
You can buy device that you can use audio to switch lights on and off.   I
believe it call the 'clapper',  though I perfer X10 to control the lights.



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From: JS PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:56:49 -0400

"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> 
> Said JS PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:53:14 -0400;
> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >
> >> JS PL will never get the picture; it's a matter of his pride and dignity
> >> at this point.  He's the kind of guy who is compelled to yell "jealousy"
> >> whenever anyone even mentions that Bill Gates [was] the richest man in
> >> the world, and all of his wealth came from criminal activity.
> >
> >Sounds like typical envy to me.
> 
> Guffaw.  See what I mean?
> 
> >When you eventually abandon and denounce
> >your socialist tendencies you'll see that a $40.00 OS which most users
> >choose isn't all that bad.
> 
> Now if they choose it and it isn't so bad, why does MS have contracts
> REQUIRING OEMs to force it on customers in order to maintain
> profitability?

They don't, usenet kook. 
 
> >When you decide to ever use something other
> >than Window 9x to complain about Microsoft you shall be truly free. 
 
> That's because you're a pathetic moron, dude.

You use Windows because I'm a pathetic moron? That's a new one. Last
month you said it was because Linux was too expensive.
> 
> >Here's about 8140 links to get you started on your bonanza of choice in
> >this free world.
> >http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/
> 
> Here's a better one: http://www.econ.umn.edu/~matheson/antitrust.html

No that link won't get you started on you path to discovering the
thousands of choices at your feet.

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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: OEM Windows licenses not transferable to charities
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:55:58 -0500

"Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Anyway, found this interesting tidbit also in the EULA (WIN-98 first
> edition). Please excuse the all caps, but that is how it is in the
> documentation
>
> <begin quote>
> 8. NOTE ON JAVA SUPPORT.
> THE SOFTWARE PRODUCT MAY CONTAIN SUPPORT FOR PROGRAMS WRITTEN IN JAVA.
> JAVA TECHNOLOGY IS NOT FAULT TOLERANT AND IS NOT DESIGNED,
> MANUFACTURED, OR INTENDED FOR USE OR RESALE AS ON-LINE CONTROL
> EQUIPMENT IN HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENTS REQUIRING FAIL-SAFE PERFORMANCE,
> SUCH AS IN THE OPERATION OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES, AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION OR
> COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, DIRECT LIFE SUPPORT
> MACHINES, OR WEAPONS SYSTEMS, IN WHICH THE FAILURE OF JAVA TECHNOLOGY
> COULD LEAD DIRECTLY TO DEATH, PERSONAL INJURY, OR SEVERE PHYSICAL OR
> ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE.
> <end quote>
>
> hmmm.... I guess this is somewhat better than just putting rogue error
> messages into DR-DOS, but it's still FUD. Funny FUD.

This isn't FUD, and I believe that SUN requires all licensees to include
this statement in their licenses.

You'll note a similar statement bout Windows itself.




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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:03:51 -0700

"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> 
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> >
> > t. max fagass:
> > > Said Nomen Nescio in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 25 Apr 2001 03:20:02
> > > >Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eeped:
> > > >> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > how many retailers sell linux machines again?
> > > >> >                         jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> > > >> >
> > > >> > p.s. sneering & not bathing does not a viable marketing strategy make
> > > >>
> > > >> Only a moron would wonder about the sales of a
> > > >> free downloadable operating system.
> > > >
> > > >funny, i could have sworn i saw a bunch of nerdos whining about how
> > > >mean old microsoft was preventing retailers and vendors from selling
> > > >machines with linux preinstalled via those mean nasty monopolistic
> > > >agreements.
> > >
> > > Well, this is an 'abstraction error' on your part, hinging on the
> > > concept of 'prevent'.  It is not a physical barrier, and therefore
> > > exceptions to its effects are not contradictory to its existence.
> >
> > all products face the problem of reaching the consumer. if people wanted
> > linux they could get it.
> 
> When OEM's aren't even allowed to show non-Microsoft system in
> their catalogs....how then, do you posit that the average consumer
> is going to even discover that there are non-Microsoft alternatives?
> 
> Most consumers don't "want" windows, any more than they want a specific
> brand of gasoline in the tank when they pick up a new car from the
> dealership...it's simply what's in there when they purchase it.
> 

Quite true!   I know a lot of consumers hearing about windows
instability.
Many won't buy a PC now and are looking around and starting to ask about
alternatives to windows.  It was bound to happen.


> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
> 
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
>    can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>    [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> K: Truth in advertising:
>         Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
>         Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
>         Special Interest Sierra Club,
>         Anarchist Members of the ACLU
>         Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
>         The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
>         Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> 
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
>    The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
>    also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> 
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
>    challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
>    between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
>    Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> 
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
>     premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
>     you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
>     you are lazy, stupid people"
> 
> G:  Knackos...you're a retard.
> 
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
>    adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> 
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
>    her behavior improves.
> 
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
>    ...despite (C) above.
> 
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> 
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
>    method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
>    direction that she doesn't like.
> 
> A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

-- 
V

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From: kool breeze <kool;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help: Bought out by MS geeks... 
Reply-To: Fucui an de horse u rodeinon
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 03:47:19 GMT



Guys...my company has been bought out by a company dedicated to MS.

My Linux port of our SCO UNIX back-end is dead now.

My poor new company is trying to market the new NT system as the "new"
system. 

They are actually yanking people out of support and putting them in
sales (more MS dedication).


The old system has been supported by 4 people for 150 customers (1
UNIX Server and 1 backup - powered off for spare parts). The new
system requires 6 NT servers + a PDC + DNS + DHCP + BDC .

I have created client software (MFC/Win32) to front our UNIX  backend.

The new system requires 1 support person per 20 clients + 1 local NT
"expert".


Gosh, I REALY REALLY REALLY wish I was flamebait....but I am not
kidding one bit.


I am very sad. Many post here with ideas. Not me. I am in the middle
(now butt-end) of it all.

I am a right-wing bastard. I hate the *reality* of
socialism/communism. I love Linux.

I swear to  you all, I am not lying. I am majorly in the dog house
now, being from the "old" system.

I have tried to support linux, but I have been ROYALLY screwed by
doing so.

I hope you guys win the war. I am 35 and cannot fight the marketing
guys.
 



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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:06:25 -0700

"Andrew J. Brehm" wrote:
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > "Andrew J. Brehm" wrote:
> 
> > > The corporation that provides my phone line has the same power (and
> > > right) to demand that I pay for it as the state that provides my
> > > education, protection, and social security.
> >
> >
> > Actually, they have more of a right.  You can CHOOSE to recieve their
> > service, in exchange for payment, or not.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > Conversely, the government comes and raids your paycheck regardless
> > of whether they provide any useful benefit to you or not.
> 
> No. I can choose to live elsewhere and not use their services.

Yes, but you'd have to live in some other country then.


> 
> >
> > >
> > > If I don't like the phone service I will either pick a different
> > > corporation or move to some place where another corporation provides
> > > phone lines.
> >
> > There's your solution.
> 
> I don't need it. I am satisfied.
> 
> Both both the government and the phone company.
> 
> --
> Fan of Woody Allen
> PowerPC User
> Supporter of Pepperoni Pizza

-- 
V

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From: Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4    are         
liars.
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:10:34 -0700

On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:51:09 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>"Gunner ©" wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:08:44 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> >krasus wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:L1xG6.527$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Gunner ©"
>> >> >
>> >> > > > The C130 does not perform strategic airlift as it is not designed
>> >> > > >to.  You can not name an instance where it has performed strategic
>> >> > airlift.
>> >> > > >Continue your waffle, wannabe.  We like to see you dance.  You are
>> >> > pathetic.
>> >> > > An Loc
>> >> > > Mactan
>> >> > > A Loui
>> >> > > Khe Sahn
>> >> > > Katum
>> >> > > Gulf War
>> >> > >
>> >> > > right off the top of my head
>> >> >
>> >> > Not a one was strategic.  They were all intra-theater tactical airlift.
>> >> Are
>> >> > you saying the C130s in these operations airlifted cargo inter-continental
>> >> > to the AOR.  The strategic lift for the Gulf War was deployment and
>> >> > sustainment sealift from SPOEs and airlift from APOEs using C141 and
>> >> > commercial jet liners.
>> >>
>> >> Your idea of strategic is screwed up - you seem to think in terms of
>> >> distance only.
>> >
>> >Which is why, even as a mere PFC, I had a better understanding of
>> >war than disgraced, ex-officer Bill here.
>> 
>> Ok..so please indicate exactly what you think is meant by the term
>> "strategic"
>
>As an off-the cuff guide:
>Anything which is beyond the scope of mere corps commanders.
>
>If the whole thing can be handled by a corp sommander (or his counterpart
>in the air force ranks), then it's operational or tactical.
>
>If it goes outside corps commmand is strategic.
>
>
>
>Again, no definition of these things is 100% absolute.
>
Thats sorta what I thought. Thanks for the definition. Then the cites I
provided above..still hold true.

Gunner

--
"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work."  Steven M. Barry

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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: OEM Windows licenses not transferable to charities
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:07:10 -0600

On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:34:01 GMT, Rex Ballard
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
>Dave Martel wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:54:55 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> >To my knowledge (and my OEM license doesn't say so) MS does NOT void the
>> >liscense if you give a machine to charity.  Just because someone writes it
>> >on a web site doesn't mean it's true.
>> >
>> >If it's not in the EULA, then it's not in the license.
>
>Actually, Eric is correct here.  In theory, a corporation may be able
>to give the license with the machine.  Of course, if they have
>purchased
>new machines to replace old machines, they may have to choose between
>including the license with the donated machine and forfeiting the
>right
>to discounted "Upgrades", or they may choose remove the license.

Ok, I just had to go looking:

C:\Windows\License.txt

"Software Transfer. The initial user of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT may make
a one-time permanent transfer of this EULA and SOFTWARE PRODUCT only
directly to an end user. This transfer must include all of the
SOFTWARE PRODUCT (including all component parts, the media and printed
materials, any upgrades, this EULA, and, if applicable, the
Certificate of Authenticity). Such transfer may not be by way of
consignment or any other indirect transfer. The transferee of such
one-time transfer must agree to comply with the terms of this EULA,
including the obligation not to further transfer this EULA and
SOFTWARE PRODUCT."

If I give my computer to a charity and they sell or give it to someone
else, that's a (prohibited) indirect transfer. The last sentence is a
bit ambiguous, too. Is it an imposition by MS on the transferee, or is
it a requirement by MS that the seller obtain agreement by the
transferee?

I don't have an OEM license handy but if it's the same then ownership
can only be transferred once. Whenever linux users try to get refunds
on unwanted copies of OEM Windows that came with their systems, MS
claims that the OEM is actually their customer. So that means that the
OEM "customer" transfers Windows to their own retail customer. If I
read the above license provision correctly, only that one single
transfer of ownership is permitted and the software may not be
transferred again.

>When you drive in the Seattle/Belleview area, you have to be very
>clever
>when making lane changes.  

I may be up there later this summer. Thanks for the warning!


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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:18:43 -0700

Pete Goodwin wrote:
> 
> In article <9ci2ba$njn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> 
> > No, for you it is flat. You have not got an overview of how the printer
> > system works and as a result, from your limited information, you draw
> > incorrect conclusions.
> 
> For the last time... the system wide default for the printer was set on
> installation to an Epson printer. The Gimp chose to ignore this, so when
> I printed, I got postscript printed as text. This is plain _wrong_.
> 
> --
> ---
> Pete Goodwin
> All your no fly zone are belong to us
> My opinions are my own

I had this problem with some distros.  Calderas' earlier versions had
this problem as well, if not worse.  The gimp has to go to a filter
which then routes the type of file to ghostscript, which should be set
up to use a particular printer type.  Under Sun OS I had to do this
setup manually.  After that it worked great.  The default installation
under UNIX is postscript type printers.  Sun explains that
non-postscript printers will just print text only, however, when a
postscript "image" is printed you'll get the postscript text
instructions that were meant for a postscript printer.  Unfortunately,
with some distros, you have to research ghostscript docs and also do a
web search to get it to work right.  Even some web sites for the popular
Epson Stylus printers had it wrong.  Another headache that you'll face
are execution permissions of the various programs in line from the print
manager down to ghostscript.  It isn't easy.  Never had this problem
under RedHat, and finally Caldera 2.4 was fixed and working like it
should.

-- 
V

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