Linux-Advocacy Digest #188, Volume #34 Fri, 4 May 01 13:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing? (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Primary and secondary missions (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: IE (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing? (.)
Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Windows NT: lost in space? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Igor Sobrado)
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Igor Sobrado)
Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are
liars. ("billh")
Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing? ("Mikkel Elmholdt")
Re: De we need (or is there) a GPL Legal Defense Fund ? (Greg Copeland)
Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing? (pip)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Windows NT: lost in space? (Brian Langenberger)
Re: The Text of Craig Mundie's Speech ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Text of Craig Mundie's Speech ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("John W. Stevens")
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing?
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:59:52 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ian Davey quoth:
>>Any damn fool can bash Microsoft ..... but try to put up a
>>compelling case for the use of Linux, would be a more challenging
>>task, at least for the majority of posters here.
>
> So, are you going to do some Linux advocacy then?
Making a business case for Linux is easy. Here's an example:
A few weeks ago, our company's ceo decided that she wanted a search
engine for our web site. She asked our 4 developer groups (
proprietary 4gl, lotus, windows, linux ) to look into it.
Our Lotus person spent several hours researching domino extended
search. The product is only available for nt as a server solution,
which is incompatible with our mainframe architecture, is only
supported on windows clients, and until recently, would not work with
a web-based interface. The cost with proper licensing, and
hardware was in the tens of thousands. More if we required external
hosting, which was recommended.
Our 4gl doesn't have good support for many of the things needed for a
web-based search engine ( reg ex, directory spidering, etc ) and that
development team said as much.
Our windows people recommended a custom in-house solution using
sequel on new hardware, the cost of which, including licensing was
roughly $12000 plus development time. They did not have a
recommendation for indexing the site, hosted on a midrange mainframe,
but were "aware" of add-on products that could do this.
Our linux people used grep -r "x\|y\|z" *html > file.txt to extract
the needed info, used sed and awk to strip the tags and split the
output file records from 4 lines to one in a delimited format, then
exported the data file to mysql. Next, wrote a simple routine to
index the file based on word-order of key terms, and an extraction
routine in perl. The whole prototype was completed in roughly 4-5
hours including preparation for the meeting, planning for a
transition to production, and setting up a demo -- less time than
some of the other groups spent researching solutions and preparing
notes for the meeting -- and the longest part of development was
parsing the site, not coding. No additional hardware needed, and
fully portable from a pc-server to our production mainframe.
Probably one of the easiest technology decisions our company ever
made was using linux in that case.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Primary and secondary missions
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:50:16 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 03 May 2001 17:28:56 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>>
>> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Ray Fischer wrote:
[snip]
>> >> Why do you think "genetic success" is of relevance to anything?
>> >
>> >DNA which doesn't reproduce, is, by definition, a failure.
>>
>> By whose definition?
>
>The very PURPOSE of DNA is to reproduce itself in the next generation.
DNA doesn't have a purpose -- it just is. One of the things it is
is a codon for all of the proteins in an organism, of course, and a
replicator (with the help of specialized "unzipper" molecules).
It's a very interesting hacked-up mess, and it works. But I doubt
anyone imparted purpose thereto. We're apparently in the process
of hacking it, though. [*]
>
>DNA which fails to produce, by whatever methods, a new generation of
>itself, is a failure.
Certainly by the metric of species survival. This doesn't necessarily
mean that individuals can't leave their mark on society by other means.
Many homosexuals are good fashion designers, as I understand it, for
example.
[.sigsnip]
[*] in the sense of Stephen Levy's book, _Hackers_, not in the sense
of chopping it into pieces and analyzing each piece -- although we're
doing that too with electrophoresis techniques.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 4d:22h:05m actually running Linux.
Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
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From: "JS PL" <the_win98box_in_the_corner>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:54:42 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote in message ...
>> It makes a descent platform for running Apache though.
>
>Sure. Unix was never meant to do what Windows does. It's
>unreasonable to expect it to be good at it.
>
>It's just as unreasonable to expect Apache to perform
>well on Windows 95. Windows 95 has many of the
>necessary APIs as hand-me-downs from NT, but
>their implementation is often not so great.
I agree. Apache, while ported to Windows, is MUCH more useable on Unix.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: IE
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:58:46 GMT
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 4 May 2001 17:56:06
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Michael Pye in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 2 May 2001 16:31:41
>> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>> >
>> >> I'm sorry, there is a rather large amount of doubt there, as far as I
>> >> can determine. It is undoubtedly a better *platform*, since Netscape
>> >> isn't a platform, but a browser. As a browser, I have never seen
>> >> anything suck as much as IE, simply because it is not a browser, but a
>> >> platform.
>> >
>> >A valid point. But an interpreter of HTML pages including CSS and
>> >Javascript, I have never seen anything suck as much as NS4...
>>
>> Works fine for me, better than any alternative.
>
>Try reading alt.netscape.buggy-products posts, then.
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Why would I do that, Ayende?
[...]
>> Using IE causes the computer to behave unpredictably; Netscape just
>> crashes. That's what counts to me: I don't use the Internet because it
>> is fast, and NS displays pages just fine, and far more reliably.
>
>Not on my machine.
Well, it is monopoly crapware, so its pretty much a crap-shoot (no pun
intended, but I guess it was so inevitable I should apologize anyway.)
If we could tell on which machines and when it was going to fail, it
would just be buggy, like Netscape.
>A> IE *rarely* crashes. One in a blue moon.
More often then Netscape, in all my experience on dozens of different
machines.
>B> IE going down merely mean that IE going down. Not the shell.
I've never ONCE seen IE die without seriously compromising the system.
It is, after all, bolted into the OS. Not the shell.
>C> On the odd chance that IE takes the shell, it will restart itself.
On the extremely odd chance that something malfunctions, yet
mysteriously doesn't malfunction. Doh!
>D> Logging off & on always fix the problem with the taskbar losing it's
>icons.
In my book, see, "fixing" a software problem means it doesn't come back.
You, you're just wasting time making up for monopoly crapware, this way.
>E> Don't use 9x products.
Or better yet, destroy the illegal monopoly.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing?
Date: 4 May 2001 15:58:10 GMT
Mikkel Elmholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9cuh7c$nr9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Apparantly youre new to usenet. Advocacy groups ARE bashing groups,
> slapnuts.
>> Now go away.
> Apparently you're a moron. Bashing groups are stuff like
> alt.destroy.microsoft or alt.linux.sux.
> Have a nice day.
Having been an active participant in usenet for the past 13 years, I can
say without a grain of doubt that you are absolutely incorrect.
If you dont like the tone of this group, you are free to fuck off.
=====.
--
"Great babylon has fallen, fallen, fallen;
Jerusalem has fallen, fallen, fallen!
The great, Great Beast is DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!"
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing?
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:21:23 +0200
pip wrote:
>
>
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>> Mikkel Elmholdt wrote:
>> >
>> > Any damn fool can bash Microsoft ..... but try to put up a
>> > compelling case for the use of Linux, would be a more challenging
>> > task, at least for the majority of posters here.
>> >
>> Any damn fool can bash linux or its proponents.
>> But to put up a compelling cas for the use of wintendo would be a more
>> challenging task, at least for Mikkel.
>
> Games (Wintendo does this well if not rather expensive) && Websurfing &&
> Music (MIDI) programs && device drivers
>
Agreed. Currently much more under Windows.
But does not interest me (only the kids. They run windows)
> In fact there are quite a few merits, but quality and reliability are
> not some of them :)
>
Certainly not. I´m a programmer, and I do programs for windows, as I do
for OS/2 and also linux. IMO easy of programming is first OS/2, then
linux, and by a big gap follows Windows.
> Of course if you have two PC's and/or duel boot you can have the best of
> both worlds.
>
Dual booting is no real option. But I have 5 PC´s running in my room, 2
with linux, 1 with OS/2 Warp4, 1 with NT4 and 1 Laptop under Win98.
And of course I have VmWare running on my main System.
So in reality I miss nothing at all, except W2K and XP, which will not be
installed on any of my systems connected to the net, meaning on none.
Peter
--
Linux is like a Wig-Wam: No Gates, No Windows, Apache inside
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Windows NT: lost in space?
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:04:47 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Marcello Barboni
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 04 May 2001 11:31:25 GMT
<hqwI6.8545$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>http://www.wirednews.com/news/technology/0,1282,42912,00.html
>
>No need to say more....
>
>Marcello
Dare I even make a comment regarding "alpha software"? :-)
To be fair, though, I happen to like the space station -- especially
in comparison to Mir, which was cramped and problematical. However,
I think they should replace a component or two with Linux.
(HINT HINT, NASA...especially since parts of NASA are supporting
Linux as well, if I'm not mistaken. Good grief; my tax dollars
confusing themselves while trying to work.)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random money here
EAC code #191 4d:23h:23m actually running Linux.
This space for rent.
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From: Igor Sobrado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: 4 May 2001 16:05:54 GMT
In alt.solaris.x86 pookoopookoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No matter how powerful it is, all it does is edit text. That's not what the
> average user wants. They want nice printed output, with reasonable color
> correction and WYSIWYG formatting. Maybe a few nice templates. Most
> important is a nice GUI and WYSIWIG.
TeX *IS* WYSIWYG... is Word that? Think it again...
Igor.
--
Igor Sobrado, UK34436 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Igor Sobrado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: 4 May 2001 16:12:38 GMT
In alt.solaris.x86 pookoopookoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No matter how powerful it is, all it does is edit text. That's not what the
> average user wants. They want nice printed output, with reasonable color
> correction and WYSIWYG formatting. Maybe a few nice templates. Most
> important is a nice GUI and WYSIWIG.
TeX and vi *are* WYSIWYG, do you think that Word is it too?
Think again!
Igor.
--
Igor Sobrado, UK34436 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "billh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 are
liars.
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:12:57 GMT
"T. Max Devlin"
> Learn to take flame-wars to email. You're boring the shit out of me,
> here.
Learn the discipline not to open the posts or to use your killfile. If you
choose to read the posts, don't complain that they are boring.
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From: "Mikkel Elmholdt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing?
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 18:26:50 +0200
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9cujii$4c4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mikkel Elmholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9cuh7c$nr9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> Apparantly youre new to usenet. Advocacy groups ARE bashing groups,
> > slapnuts.
>
> >> Now go away.
>
> > Apparently you're a moron. Bashing groups are stuff like
> > alt.destroy.microsoft or alt.linux.sux.
>
> > Have a nice day.
>
> Having been an active participant in usenet for the past 13 years, I can
> say without a grain of doubt that you are absolutely incorrect.
>
> If you dont like the tone of this group, you are free to fuck off.
>
Why, thanks for the free advice. BTW, did I object to the tone of this
group? Or was it maybe the lack of focus of some postings? Your age-long
usenet experience obviously has not taught you how to read.
BTW2: Do you have a name?
Mikkel
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Subject: Re: De we need (or is there) a GPL Legal Defense Fund ?
From: Greg Copeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 May 2001 11:29:55 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) writes:
> Nick Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Interconnect wrote:
> >>Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure the Free Software Foundation will see to it that the GPL
> >>> is actually heeded.
> >>
> >>Hmmm, I'm starting to worry about MS being able to STOP GPL.
> >>
> >>I wonder if MS took the concept to court if they could stop the whole
> >>process? They sure do have a boat load of money.
> >
> >Nobody gains from challenging the GPL in court, so it will never happen.
> >
> >Suppose MS took some GPL'd software and wrapped in up into Windows. Let's
> >pluck an example out of the air and say it was a TCP/IP stack. The FSF says
> >"Whoa! you can't do that, that's a violation of the GPL!". Microsoft flips
> >them the finger and says "See you in court". Microsoft wins and the GPL is
> >exposed as rubbish. What happpens then? The copyright is still held by the
> >author (or perhaps the FSF). Microsoft now has no license to distribute the
> >code *at all*. The GPL is no more. RIP.
> >
> >Net result for everyone is a lose, so nobody will allow it to go that far.
>
> Actually, the judge could declare the GPL only partially void, or
> partially unenforcable. The judge could, for example, declare
> that none of the "you must give away the code" stuff is
> valid, and turn it into something like the BSDL.
>
But the judge would have to have an extremely strong position to stand on to do
something like that. The fact is, the terminology of the GPL was very purposely
picked to hold its own on legal merit. Furthermore, it's pretty obvious what the
intent was when someone used the GPL. If someone comes in after the fact and
violates the GPL, intent is very clear. As such, it's VERY hard to imagine that
someone could get away with something like this with both intent of the violator
clearly illustrated and the spirit of the GPL pretty well understood at this
point in time. You need to remember that there are two important aspects in
contract law. First and foremost is the terminology describing the contract/
license, the second is the "spirit of the law." What was the intent of the
contract, regardless of the terminology (and was it understood by both parties).
In this case, the intent of the GPL is very well understood and can be easily
supported by numerous interviews and articles. In short, it would be extremely
difficult for someone to strike down or walk over the GPL. Having said that,
a better question would be what would happen to the violator? Be forced to
immediately strip the code from the product and issue a recall? Be fined? Open
Source the product because it was known up front this would be the obligation
of the adopter? Or acknowledge that the GPL was violated and ignore the violation
giving 120-days to fix?
As you can see, the risk of the GPL being struck down, IMOHO, is not all that great,
on the other hand, the risk comes from any punishment and/or rectifying actions
the court could or would not impose on the violator. In other words, if a violator
is given a slap on the hand, it pretty much means the GPL stands, but the penalty
simply is not a motivator to prevent it. That alone would crush the GPL. That,
I think, is the FSF's fear.
--
Greg Copeland, Principal Consultant
Copeland Computer Consulting
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing?
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 17:38:01 +0100
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, pip
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> You forgot office work (Access, Office2000, SQL Server).
>
> Mind you, all of these things can be done with Linux, and in some cases
> more cheaply and reliably. PostgreSQL, for example, is an excellent
> small-scale data retrieval system.
I forgot Word/Excel - I like word (yeah, yeah don't flame me). But
Postgre is much better than Access and even MYSQL is far better. Except
for Access VB integration and ease of making a simple DB with a simple
interface - I see no advantage in ever using it. Linux choices are far
better.
> >In fact there are quite a few merits, but quality and reliability are
> >not some of them :)
> >
> >Of course if you have two PC's and/or duel boot you can have the best of
> >both worlds.
>
> But not simultaneously. :-) (Although if Wine really gets nice and
> polished -- and its not bad, now -- one could do quite a bit. Or one
> can go the VmWare route, running an OS-within-an-OS.)
I've tried VMWare and it's quite good (especially for programming), but
I much prefer to have my windows box around.
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From: "JS PL" <the_win98box_in_the_corner>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:34:15 -0400
Rick wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>JS PL wrote:
>>
>> T. Max Devlin wrote in message
>>
>> >>A fine server OS (well, bunch of OSes), but it simply
>> >>doesn't even begin to cut it on the desktop.
>>
>> Agreed. After spending about four days being amused by Mandrake 8, it
STILL
>> doesn't even begin to cut it on the desktop.
>
>Why is that? Wjat is it missing?
>
>> I would almost venture to say
>> that just about ALL of the included apps that I use crash regularly on
>> Linux.
>
>Would you please name them. And if the crash regularly you could always
>notify the app maintainers, so they can fix the problems.
>
>> The newsreaders especially suck.
>
>Which newsreaders and how do they suck?
Netscape collabra - Always opens with article window crammed into the right
10 pixels and needs resized. Then each time I open it I need to go into the
menu and expand threads.
Pan newsreader, continually downloads half the newsgroups, stalls, and
starts over. It's should be called "Pan Partial List Downloader" instead.
Mozilla - The best of them except apparently won't post to more than one
group at a time, at least that's the error message I get when I hit send
and....it doesn't. I don't have time for that. Oh.. and it doesn't "search"
for groups using partial names.
Knode - I forget what, but it was problematic or I'd be using it.
>> Half the no-name browsers are
>> somehow or for some stupid reason configured by default to display web
text
>> at about 2 pixels in height, this is especially a pain in the ass because
I
>> have to go in and configure larger font display for every damn user.
>
>Which browsers are these? Opera doesnt. Konquorer doesnt. Netscape
>doesnt.
Netscape does. Don't make me walk accross the room to check them all.
>> File downloads regularly "stall" for minutes on end.
>> Did I say regularly? I meant ALWAYS!
>
>Are these modem DLs, ethernet DLs, what. Is your system configured
>properly? IS your ISP's? My ISP wasnt. I switched to a different modem
>bank and havent had any trouble.
I don't care what the problem is. I prefer an OS that works well without all
the hours of configuration.
On the plus side, setting up connection sharing was a no-brainer.
I'll keep it around despite some of the cosmetic flaws. It is worthy of my
limited hardware resources.
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows NT: lost in space?
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:37:31 +0000 (UTC)
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip!>
: Dare I even make a comment regarding "alpha software"? :-)
: To be fair, though, I happen to like the space station -- especially
: in comparison to Mir, which was cramped and problematical. However,
: I think they should replace a component or two with Linux.
: (HINT HINT, NASA...especially since parts of NASA are supporting
: Linux as well, if I'm not mistaken. Good grief; my tax dollars
: confusing themselves while trying to work.)
Well, Mir *did* last for over twice as long as initially intended
(IIRC), so a few glitches near the end have to be expected.
Maybe the Russians can use the Windows source code and help
NASA fix a few of the bugs in it ;)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Text of Craig Mundie's Speech
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:50:38 GMT
On Fri, 4 May 2001 11:42:45 +0200, "Mikkel Elmholdt"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Ray Chason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Don't you just love the statement "this viral aspect". Like MS just wants
>to
>> >Grab as much as they can for FREE have all the benefits and NOT allow
>anyone
>> >else access to their code. If GPL has so many *significant* drawbacks
>(they
>> >go on to equate OSS with the recent .com bubble) why in the hell is MS
>even
>> >worrying about it.
>>
>> Yes, and how many *closed*-source vendors have gone under, not for lack
>> of technical merit or business sense, but for the misfortune of being in
>> Microsoft's way?
>
>I don't know. How many is that exactly?
>
Well, let's see:
1. STAC -- maker of STACKER hard-disk doubler and failed when MS
incorporated drive-doubling in the OS
2. DRI -- Digital Research's GEM was a competitor to Windows in the
early days but were undercut by MS. (Legend has it that billg
basically copied Gary Kildall's CP/M, slapped some paint on it, called
it MS-DOS, and sold it to IBM.) DR/DOS was also *far* better than
MS-DOS, and MS deliberately sabotaged it by changing Win3.1 so it
wouldn't work right on DR/DOS.
And those are only the ones I recall off the top of my head; there are
many others.
><SNIP>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Text of Craig Mundie's Speech
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:54:01 GMT
On Fri, 4 May 2001 11:07:42 +0200, "Mikkel Elmholdt"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9ctgi2$7fa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
><snip>
>
>> That article made me sick! How greedy and rapacious can a company be.
>
>This kind of attitude never stops to amaze me. Why is it that some people
>(you included) obviously regard making (lots of) money as close to a
>cardinal sin? Microsoft is not doing anything that their competitors would
>not love to do, if they had been just as good at producing marketing bull.
>But then every religion needs a Satan, and MS is obviously filling that role
>in the Church of the Holy Penguin ....
>
If MS made their fortune by the simple expedient of *competing*, I'd
have no complaint. But MS is a traditional monopolist and makes money
by squeezing out their competitors and closing the market to viable
alternatives. MS is an *amazingly* arrogant company, worse than IBM
ever was. MS is about as unethical and rapacious as a company can be.
For what it's worth, I consider Sun to be just as bad; Scott McNealy
would love nothing better than to be where His Billness is now.
Regards,
quux111
><SNIP>
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From: "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:39:18 -0600
Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Clue for the clueless.
> >
> >Homosexuality is a defect,
>
> Says who?
Says reality.
> > as it interferes with the organism's ability
> >to successfully reproduce
>
> You assume that that makes homosexuality a defect. An assumption
> without any supporting evidence.
Homosexuality obviously is a defect. Only a very small percentage of
the population are truly homosexual, indicating that homosexuality has
a low survival rate.
Oh, and as a clue, you should realize that most people who define
themselves as homosexual or heterosexual are in actuality bisexual
with a preference for one sex over the other. That preference may
be quite strong, but it isn't absolute. One need simply look at
the increased incidence of homosexual contact in enforced, single
sex environments to discover that.
It is bisexuality, not homo or hetero sexuality, that is survival
oriented and should be considered "normal". Any objective, factual
study will show that most so-called hetero and homo sexuals will
actually engage in sexual behavior with both sexes, albeit with a
preference for one sex over the other.
> >(yes, your only TRUE purpose is to pass your
> >DNA on to the next generation)
>
> Says who?
Says reality.
--
If I spoke for HP --- there probably wouldn't BE an HP!
John Stevens
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