Linux-Advocacy Digest #368, Volume #34 Wed, 9 May 01 15:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT (spam)
Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux Users...Why? (Brent R)
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: the Boom, Boom department (Henry_Barta)
Re: Pesky lack of support (Nigel Feltham)
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP (Dave Martel)
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT (spam)
Re: ChromeLinuxT/ WebServer (Nigel Feltham)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Microsoft PATH. ("Mikkel Elmholdt")
LILO no boot .. says "LIL-" then just hangs there ("Counts")
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Igor Sobrado)
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From: spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:32:28 -0700
On Wed, 9 May 2001 01:45:13 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>"spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Tue, 8 May 2001 23:38:09 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > > Said Erik Funkenbusch in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 7 May 2001
>> >> > > [...]
>> >> > > >COM existed before SOM as well.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >SOM was first introduced with OS/2 2.0, which came out in early
>1992,
>> >> > just
>> >> > > >weeks before COM was officially launched in Windows 3.1. They
>were
>> >> > > >contemporaries, created independantly at about the same time.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Which is it? First you say that COM 'existed before SOM', and then
>> >you
>> >> > > say they were 'created at about the same time'. What besides the
>> >donuts
>> >> > > at the sock puppet briefings leads you to believe that MS didn't do
>> >what
>> >> > > they typically do, and just "steal IBM's ideas", implementing their
>> >own
>> >> > > technology more as vaporware than anything else, to scare off the
>> >> > > competition? You know, like the way they stole pen computing from
>Go?
>> >> >
>> >> > I can no longer find the reference, but the basic workings of COM
>were
>> >> > developed in 1988, however, they didn't at the time know what to do
>with
>> >it.
>> >> > In 1990, when they began work on Windows 3.1, that work was put to
>use
>> >to
>> >> > make OLE 2. In other words, COM existed before OLE 2, it had to,
>since
>> >OLE
>> >> > was based on COM.
>> >>
>> >> Why did they develop COM if they didn't know what to do with it??
>> >> I have the Windows Software Development kit and docs. Copyrighted
>> >> 1987-1992.
>> >> No where do I find any mention of COM.
>> >
>> >As I said, it was released until they released OLE 2 in 1992 (the same
>time
>> >IBM released SOM).
>>
>> SOM was released with OS/2 2.0 in early 1992 (Team OS/2's FAQ says
>> late 1991 but I and other web pages don't remember it that way).
>> According to Charlie Kindel's forward in Don Box's "Essential COM",
>> COM was released with OLE 2 in May 1993.
>
>I'm not sure which edition you are reading, by mine says 1992. It must have
>been a typo. OLE2 was released in May 1992 when Windows 3.1 was released.
A typo? According to Addison Wesley's web page there's only one
edition. The reference is on xiv. Anyway you best be getting in touch
with MS because they make the same typo in "Inside COM+ Base Services"
on page 13-14. "OLE1 debuted with the release of Windows 3.1". "OLE 2
was released in 1993". Also MS's "Programming Distributed Applications
with COM and VB" on page xvi states that "COM first shipped in a
product in 1993". BrockSchmidt's Inside OLE 2nd ed says the OLE 1 was
released in 1991. Every web site I found so far says COM/OLE 2 was
release in 1993.
IIRC MS pissed off Borland because by the time Borland's compilier
group got COM internals MS was releasing an Excel or Office upgrade
using OLE2. This realy showed that any ISV was destined to play second
fidddle against MS.
You must be confusing WFWG with Windows 3.1.
>
>> According to Pritchard's
>> "COM and Corba Side by Side" Corba 1 was released in 1991, though I
>> have no idea in what shape or form it was in. Obviously, all
>> compainies involved had started work on thier technologies years
>> before the relase date and released betas to the development
>> community.
>>
>> >
>> >COM was not originally marketed as a stand-alone technology, it was only
>> >marketed as OLE 2. In 1994, they actually formally released COM as a
>> >seperate technology (then called Common Object Model, later changed to
>> >Component Object Model).
>>
>> According to Kindel it was never called common object model.
>
>I have a MS reference document that says Common object model.
>
Kindel sets the record straight in "Essential COM" on page xv.
----
Glenn Davies
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:56:43 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Why do you assume that anyone (even me, who cares not for Microsoft
> tactics) announced this as purely MS disrespect? I myself posted it
> to illustrate that UNIX is not immune to hacking.
Did anyone ever said it was?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:10:06 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 9 May 2001 05:12:10
> >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...]
> >> Why do I see so many Linux distros that have some good programs
provided
> >> written with GPL code for sale?
> >
> >Because people are nice.
>
> Because your contention that the GPL prevents charging for software is
> false.
>
> >I could *demand* you to give me your GPL code, both as binary & source,
and
> >you would have no choice but to comply, and the only thing you could
charge
> >me for is S&H.
>
> You misunderstand the GPL, Ayende. No problem, really. It is a complex
> document, and so it is not uncommon that someone would misinterpret it.
> THe GPL does not allow anyone to "demand" that they provide you with
> their code. Or rather, it doesn't prevent them from demanding, but it
> doesn't say anything about having to comply. Only that you cannot
> charge for licenses, and you cannot distribute binaries without
> distributing source. There is no compulsory distribution; I'm not
> entirely sure where you got that idea.
http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give
any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically
performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the
corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1
and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange;
> >My problem with GPL, again, is not that it prevents embracing & extending
> >the code, that I consider as a good thing. I don't like the fact that you
> >can't *use* it with any other code.
>
> You can use it with all the other code you want. You just can't use a
> GPL library without infecting your program. So use an LGPL library;
> that's what it's for.
LGPL still has problems.
And couple of important libraries are released under the GPL, not LGPL.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:19:34 +0200
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9dbee5$6ek$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> I'm not familiar with this object. Could you provide some pointers
> >> >> (I'm genuinely curious).
> >> >
> >> > Basically, you are taking advantage of NTFS5 (avialable in NT4 with
> >> > SP4, I think). You get a Reparse (can't really recall the name) point
> >> > on
> >> > %SYSTEM%\PS2PRN which mean that when a program tries to access this
> >> > file, NTFS will invoke a program (a function? can't recall how they
> >> > call it), which will handle the request, it's possible, I guess, to
> >> > build PS interepter that would print to printer this way.
> >>
> >> Do you print to this device as if it were a file or as if it were a
> >> printer?
> >
> > Same way you would print to /dev/lpr or PRN, I assume. You feed it PS,
> > it prints it.
>
> That's not quite right.
>
> /dev/lp? refers to the printer port under UNIX, but most apps have no
> access to it. What happens is that you pipe data to the lpr program. This
> contacts lpd, and lpd filtres the data and dumps it to /dev/lp?
>
> If you could feed data straight to /dev/lp?, then it would get no
> filtering (like under DOS).
>
> I suppose you could create a device file that is firstly unique to each
> process (like /dev/tty is unique to each console) and triggers a program
> to be run on the data when data is written to it.
Yes, that was what I meant when I talked about it.
Only not unique to each user, no need for it to be.
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Users...Why?
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 18:32:49 GMT
Chronos Tachyon wrote:
>
> On Tue 08 May 2001 10:53, Brent R wrote:
>
> > Chronos Tachyon wrote:
> [Snip]
> >> ... I swore off Windows for my own computer, and purged my hard
> >> drive of all Microsoft products. It means I have to do without
> >> StarCraft, but it's a small price to pay to be rid of their lies and FUD.
> >
> > It has never ceased to astound me that people would do away with their
> > favorite apps just for a moderate increase in OS quality. That's one
> > thing I've never really understood about this movement I guess.
> >
> > To me, I like Linux but Windows has so many great apps that I cannot do
> > without it.
> >
>
> StarCraft and other games are a fine way to blow off steam, but they've
> never been the primary reason why I use my computer. When I want to play
> games today, I just play Quake3 instead.
>
> --
> Chronos Tachyon
> Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
> Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
> [Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
That's the difference between us I guess then, games have pretty always
been my purpose for owning a computer (since 1987). Computing is fun but
games are even better.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:07:48 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 9 May 2001 05:09:37
> >"Roy Culley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <9d83de$q36$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> >
> >> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Nah! FUD!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You qouted the whole articles for *two* words?
> >> >> > And what was FUD about it?
> >> >>
> >> >> GPL is a viral thing... totally untrue.
> >> >
> >> > Really? Show me how I can incorporate GPL code with any other code
> >without
> >> > turning the whole thing to GPL?
> >> > Where is the GPLed browser using Gecko?
> >> > Where is non-GPL KDE application?
> >>
> >> Look, someone goes to the effort to write some SW that you want to use.
> >> The original author wants to make it free for everyone by using the
GPL.
> >> That is their choice. You are free to add to their SW and even sell it
> >> (the GPL doesn't stop you). Don't you think you should honour the
desires
> >> of the original person? If you can't accept it then write your own code
> >> and don't use theirs. I find this discussion about the GPL to be
pathetic.
> >> It is a licence that some SW developers want to use so that everyone
can
> >> use and enhance their SW knowing that everyone may benefit.
> >
> >A> The GPL *does* stop me, check the part about giving for free binaries
&
> >source in it.
>
> No, it says you can't charge for *licenses*. You can charge as much for
> binaries as you want. You do have to include source for free, of
> course.
Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give
any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically
performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the
corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1
and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange;
http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
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From: Henry_Barta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the Boom, Boom department
Date: 9 May 2001 18:38:05 GMT
Terry Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Its interesting to me that most distos dont include any
> really good Linux games.
> Because there are plenty of them.
> My kids played Quake (commercial game, so wont be on any disto), Freeciv
> which is a excellent networkable game, Koules which is a SVGA game, but
> they howled over it for about a week, 5 kids on the ONE keyboard!
> Koules sound is excellent too.
Where would I go to find out more about them? Quake doesn't
interest me, but I'd like to try something like Myst.
--
Hank Barta White Oak Software Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Predictable Systems by Design.(tm)
Beautiful Sunny Winfield, Illinois
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From: Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pesky lack of support
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 19:55:41 +0100
kosh wrote:
> A newgroup is not the best plaec for these questions. However the simple
> quation is don't worry if the bios can't see it all since linux doesn't
> care what the bios does. Install from a CD and make a /boot partition in
> the first 50 megs or so. Then partition the rest as desired. I have have a
> 40 gig disk in one box that the bios swears is only 8 gigs but linux sees
> the entire thing with no problem.
>
How would you use a 40GB drive as a dual-boot Linux (mandrake 7.2) and
Windows (98SE) drive on a machine with this problem - the reason I ask is
that my 6.4gb drive seems small now ( I am trying to get into 3d rendering
and video editing) and I don't know if my BIOS can handle large drives (
AMD K6-2 cpu in a VIA chipset AGPx2 motherboard with UltraDMA33 support).
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 12:29:57 -0600
On Wed, 09 May 2001 10:47:23 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>You're quite correct. I purchased GNU PRO Tool kit and Source Browser
>for $150. No source code was ever given for the Source Browser but
>there was for the compiler. The source code browser was written by
>Cygnus using the aforementioned compiler with the source. I don't think
>Ayende will have any problems writting and selling for linux or UNIX.
Ha ha. I just got Gnu Pro Toolkit for $25. Also got Applixware for
$25, and Code Fusion for an amazing $10 (or was it $20?) at a flea
market.
Not that I know what I'll do with them. Haven't even installed them
yet. And I just picked up FreeBSD to play with, too.
My toybox runneth over! :)
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From: spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 11:47:09 -0700
On Wed, 9 May 2001 13:59:07 -0400, "JS PL" <hi everybody!> wrote:
>
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Pancho Villa in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 07 May 2001 11:21:49
>> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>> >> Said Steve Sheldon in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 6 May 2001 22:08:54
>> >> >"Pancho Villa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> The fact of the matter is that COM and DCOM were MS ripoffs of IBM's
>> >> >> SOM and DSOM. OLE is simply bloated, buggy, 2nd-rate technology.
>To
>> >> >> this day, SOM and DSOM kick COM and DCOM's butt! Tragically, along
>> >> >> with IBM's OpenDoc, another fantastic technology, SOM and DSOM have
>> >> >> been pretty much destroyed by a criminal monopoly, and we are all
>> >> >> suffering. :(
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, IBM has certainly destroyed a lot of their own technologies
>through
>> >> >bungled marketing.
>> >>
>> >I really do not think that a lot of IBM's famed failures have to do
>> >with "marketing failures", "bungled marketing", etc. After all, IBM
>> >is the biggest IT corporation in the world. They sell more software
>> >than Microsoft! Their profits are larger than MS' revenues! They
>> >have 300,000 employees - 4th largest company on the planet. Seen
>> >their stock price lately? You would think that if IBM could not
>> >market at all, they would not be so successful.
>
>Where do you get - 4th largest on the planet? Here's what I get from
>fortune500.com:
>
>IBM
>
>2000 Sales (mil.): $88,396
>1-Yr. Sales Growth: 1.0%
>
>2000 Net Inc. (mil.): $8,093
>1-Yr. Net Inc. Growth: 4.9%
>
>Ranking on Fortune 500 list - 8
>World 500 list - 16
>
>Microsoft
>
>2000 Sales (mil.): $22,956
>1-Yr. Sales Growth: 16.3%
>
>2000 Net Inc. (mil.): $9,421
>1-Yr. Net Inc. Growth: 21.0%
>
>2000 Employees: 39,100
>1-Yr. Employee Growth: 24.5%
>
>Fotune 500 rank - 79
>World 500 rank - 216
>
>Microsoft "Net" income appears to be 1.4 billion MORE than IBM
>
It's because with little competition they can maintain high profit
margins on their products. Apparently, from your posts, you are in
favour of this.
----
Glenn Davies
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From: Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ChromeLinuxT/ WebServer
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:01:04 +0100
> I purchased GNU Pro Tool Kit for $150 with the Source Code browser for
> Linux.
> Source was not included.
If you read the GPL you will see it states that sourcecode doesn't need to
be included but you must either offer to supply sourcecode at extra cost or
supply a URL address where sourcecode can be obtained.
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 18:55:20 GMT
On Tue 08 May 2001 09:40, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
[Snip]
> I must say I saw a bit of the same effect on Linux when
> loading about 10 big JPEGs simultaneously in the GIMP.
> Not as bad as I've seen it in NT/2000, but still annoying.
> And I need to edit my partitions to make the swap partition
> larger. RedHat 7.1 mentioned a size increase, after I
> set up the partitions of course (grrr). The lord taketh away
> from /tmp and giveth to <swap>.
>
> Chris
>
>
As an aside, the tmpfs introduced in the 2.4.4 kernel is very cool. It's a
RAM-based filesystem like ramfs, but you can put a cap on its maximum size
plus it can swap out data when more free RAM is needed. Woohoo, no more
/tmp partition!
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:37:17 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 9 May 2001 06:32:36
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> >> BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
> >
> >
> >Ridicule is generally made use of to laugh men out of virtue and good
> >sense, by attacking everything praiseworthy in human life.
> > --Joseph Addison
>
> Oh, PUH-Leeze. The only thing I attack is stupidity, ignorance, and
> Microsoft; you're calling these things praiseworthy? Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!
.
Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.
--Will Rogers
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him.
--Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Stupid is a boundless concept.
--Anonymous
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:40:31 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 9 May 2001 06:37:14
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said "JS PL" <hi everybody!> in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 7 May
> >> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> Better lay your claims to unfalsifiability early on. It's easier to
> >> >> just pretend you're right all the time than to bother being
reasonable,
> >> >> ever, huh?
> >> >
> >> >And this, coming from someone who thinks being reasonable is to claim
> >anyone
> >> >who makes any type of mistake running Windows can only be the fault
of
> >> >Microsoft, yet any mistake on any other software is their own fault.
> >>
> >> I don't recall ever making that claim. What a shock: JS PL turns out
to
> >> be a man who not only claims I am unreasonable, but tries to use a lie
> >> to prove it. Guffaw!
> >
> >You don't, no wonder.
>
> Yes, no wonder. You'll notice, I'm sure, the rather glaring mistake you
> have made. "AN MCSE" != "anyone".
You *really* are into mistycal stuff, right?
APIs are metaphystics, Monopoly equal all-powerful, and MCSE equal someone
who knows everything about MS products?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:53:14 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 08 May 2001
> >"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> >> > MS did not exclude anyone from developing on
> >> > Windows. They *encouraged* it.
> >>
> >> ... but only if the developers promised to phase out the OS/2
> >> equivalents. Ask Borland (ObjectVision, anyone?)
> >
> >Had Microsoft been as foolish as you suggest,
> >they would have failed. Windows needed developers
> >and MS could not afford to drive them away.
>
> And the fact that the most common applications used today are all
> Microsoft products doesn't seem to register with you, does it?
Sound editing?
Movie editing?
3d graphics?
Graphics editing?
OCR?
Instant Messaging?
File sharing?
Anti Virus?
Download Managers?
FTP Clients?
Just a couple of stuff where MS application either don't even exist, or
exist and not even close to be the most common.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:55:02 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 9 May 2001 05:42:32
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said Austin Ziegler in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 6 May 2001
> >> >On Sun, 6 May 2001, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> >> >> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 5 May 2001
> >20:23:30
> >> >>> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >>>> You mean the library won't work if a programmer makes a function
call
> >> >>>> unless the function is documented?
> >> >>> Of course it would work. The problem would be that you wouldn't
know
> >> >>> what it does.
> >> >>> Similar to standing on an elevator, when the floors' buttons has no
> >> >>> numbers, or any other identification.
> >> >> How much you want to bet that I can quickly get to the floor I want,
> >> >> every time?
> >> >
> >> >If the numbers aren't anywhere on or near the buttons, and they're not
> >> >necessarily wired in an ascending or descending order, then you're not
> >> >going to get where you expect to quickly -- or at all.
> >>
> >> "If... if... if...." What's your point?
> >
> >There are no numbers, the buttons are in no particular order, and any or
all
> >of them might fill the elevator in poisoned gas, is that better
description?
> >Oh, they are also pressure sensitive, so you are going to be *very*
carfeul
> >about the time and strength you push a button, too.
>
> [...]
>
> And nowhere along the way it occurs to you that you're just building a
> little unfalsifiable delusion, rather than an analogy, I'll bet.
I gave a bloody exmaple, you know. A really good one, I think.
Try to use some of the functions that I listed, and you can easily cause
crashes, memory leaks, and all sort of nasty stuff to happen to your
application.
> Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
No, it doesn't.
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From: "Mikkel Elmholdt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Microsoft PATH.
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:01:23 +0200
"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 10 May 2001 01:29:15 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Back in the Amiga world, releasing
> >a buggy app would be unheard of, shocking, terrible, ruin the name of a
> >software company, and now we have Microsoft who are more than willing to
> >flaunt the problems with their OS, and yet no one says anything?
>
> Microsoft Windows is a smear on the reputation of American technology.
> Europeans especially seem aghast at the lack of quality and the
> disdain with which MS treats consumers.
Not true. We Europeans are used to being f***** over by vendors of any kind
(especially if you're French or Italian, then it is sort of expected).
On a more serious note: The extreme contempt that MS is surrounded with
these days seems to primarily originate from the US. Europeans focus more on
the practical sides of the OS battle, such as license costs.
And I have seen European software products which was every bit as crappy as
any MS product. Don't be too ashamed of your country :-)
Mikkel
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From: "Counts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,dc.org.linux-users
Subject: LILO no boot .. says "LIL-" then just hangs there
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:57:47 -0400
I installed everything successfully (Slackware 4.1), recompiled a kernel,
rebooted, everything worked as expected. Then, not long afterwards on
another reboot, LILO just hangs. I have to boot using a floppy now. Any
suggestions on how to fix this?
Should I uninstall LILO and then re-install?
Thanks for any suggestions.
Bob
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From: Igor Sobrado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: 9 May 2001 19:02:31 GMT
In alt.solaris.x86 Matt McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (What would I consider to be a good word processor? WordPerfect 5.x
> on DOS or VMS or whatever -- just not the GUI versions, which sucked.)
Check TeX now!!! Sure it will work for you and it is free.
As I posted in this thread some days ago TeX is a computer program
that makes it easy for authors to typeset his document and, best
of all, it is available for a wide variety of computer systems
including, of course, DOS, all the Unix flavours, OS/2 and VMS
in both alpha and VAX architectures. Typesetting is not just for
books and wide-distribution documents.
It is WYSIWYG in the sense that you will get the same output on
each device (screen, printer...) but it is not GUI. You can use
Emacs, X/Emacs, WinEdt, etc. if you want it integrated with your
GUI but it is not required.
Igor.
--
Igor Sobrado, UK34436 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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