Linux-Advocacy Digest #439, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 21:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (T. Max Devlin)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (T. Max Devlin)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (T. Max Devlin)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (T. Max Devlin)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:07 GMT
Said "JS PL" <hi everybody!> in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May
>"For one brief exciting moment before rubber-stamping Joel Klein's poisonous
>brew of regulations and divestiture for Microsoft, the Judge actually
>displayed a rare flicker of independent judgment. Shortly before
>capitulating, the Judge asked Klein why splitting the company in two would
>not just create "two monopolies" - one having the most popular operating
>system, and another the most popular Office suite for that operating
>system.. To an economist, the most fascinating thing about the Judge's
>question is how clearly it illustrates the impulsive promiscuity with which
>antitrust lawyers abuse the word "monopoly." To the Judge, and to reporters
>who never questioned his question, it all comes down to market share."
>Alan Reynolds, director of economic research, Hudson Institute, National
>Review, June 7
Ah, the old "two monopolies" argument. Can't be taken seriously,
because if you believe in one monopoly, you understand why it can't
happen, and if you use the argument, you don't believe in one monopoly
to begin with.
Just for reference, is the "Hudson Institute" to the left or the right
of the far-right CATO Institute?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:08 GMT
Said "JS PL" <hi everybody!> in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May
>"Judge Jackson's decision today indicates, if there was ever any doubt, that
>he has fallen hook, line and operating system for the government's flawed
>arguments."
>Robert Levy, senior fellow in constitutional studies at the Cato Institute,
>ZDNet News, June 7, 4:35 PM PT
Or, more honestly, that they aren't flawed arguments at all, but simply
ones that Mr. Levy would like to disagree with, though he lacks the
ability in terms of access to the court, strength of argument, or
correctness of his opinion.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:09 GMT
Said "JS PL" <hi everybody!> in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May
>"Unfortunately, given Judge Jackson's previous misguided findings in the
>government's antitrust case against Microsoft, this decision is not
>surprising.
I'll believe that when we hear Mr. Keating's explanation of those
findings. Most everyone I've ever talked to seems to have a different
idea of what happened then I do, but I've yet to hear an argument that
is more accurate, consistent, and practical.
Again, JS PL, Mr. Anonymous Troll, shooting ducks in a barrel is getting
rather... ZZZZZ, if you know what I mean. Care to actually take a
position and defend it more coherently than lobbing random pro-MS
rhetoric?
>The judge continues to exhibit an unfailing inability to grasp
>the realities of the marketplace, in particular that Microsoft is not a
>monopoly and must compete against current, emerging and future competitors."
>Raymond J. Keating, chief economist, Small Business Survival Committee
Imagine that; an unfailing grasp of the obvious for the judge, and a
"right to monopolize" for the criminal. Cute. No wonder small business
is in such trouble these days.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:10 GMT
Said "JS PL" <hi everybody!> in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May
>"[Justice Department lawyers and state Attorneys General are] seeking the
>ultimate legal paradox - a precedent without precedence. They've claimed
>that Microsoft is a monopoly without establishing a motive;
Is Mr. Berthoud prepared to point us to the precedent where proof of
motive is essential in monopolization convictions? Do we really need
some more comprehensible (or less, would be my guess) than an desire to
maintain a captive market and extract exorbitant profits for minimal
effort at zero economic risk? The fact that it is a legal risk is
hardly, on its own, sufficient for a reasonable doubt in a criminal
case, and certainly fails to outweigh the preponderance of the evidence.
But, really, what about "cut off their air supply" and "protect the [OS]
asset" leaves the motive somehow un-demonstrated?
>they've sought
>to share the firm's intellectual property without showing how it will help
>promote private enterprise;
APIs are not intellectual property, and the remedy requires no other
disclosure beyond what is conventional for the industry. Speaking of
promoting private enterprise, let's not let whoever has the most money
set the rules; ain't much of a 'free market' that way.
>and, they've consorted with Microsoft's
>competitors without convincing the public that they're out to help
>consumers."
>John Berthoud, President, National Taxpayers Union
They convince the judge; the public has to convince themselves. People
like Mr. Berthoud are supposed to be providing that education, not
acting as obfuscating smokescreens for criminal behavior. Even if the
appeal results in some miraculous "pass" for Microsoft, which ain't
gonna happen, that will make them about as innocent as O.J. Simpson.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:11 GMT
Said "JS PL" <hi everybody!> in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May
[...]
>Helen Chaney, Pacific Research Institute's (PRI) Center for Freedom and
>Technology.
PRI Center for Freedom and Technology....
Wasn't it determined that they were a puppet organization for
Microsoft's astroturfing efforts?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:11 GMT
Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 10 May 2001 20:13:06
[...]
>truely! telepathy would be much better. but we don't have that yet [...]
'Nuf said. Jan is one of those science fiction flakes who get Babylon 5
confused with reality.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:12 GMT
Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 10 May 2001 20:05:05
>"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9ddim3$am1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > And you actually defend your devotion to the command line ?? in public?
>>
>> I hereby declare, that I, Edward Rosten, like the command line and think
>> that in many ways it is superior to the GUI.
>
>I guess that just about says it for Edward...
>
>> > does your mother know you've left the basemet?
>>
>> I still think you're extremely stupid.
>
>You wouldn't know the difference.
Why's that?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:13 GMT
Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 10 May 2001 20:06:02
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 9 May 2001 23:16:13
>> >does your mother know you've left the basemet?
>>
>> Do you still beat your meat?
>
>Who doesn't.
>
>Do you still fuck your mother?
Never have. Have you fucked my mother?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:14 GMT
Said Greg Cox in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May 2001 08:58:42
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> Said Greg Cox in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 09 May 2001 21:21:19
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> >> Said Greg Cox in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 09 May 2001 06:32:07
>> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> >> >> On 9 May 2001 00:43:02 -0500, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Your car has unique ID numbers etched into 100 locations, all recorded in a
>> >> >> >corporate database and shared with the police and other dealers - you don't
>> >> >> >have a choice. That doesn't bother you? Seen any black helicopters lately?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But I own my vehicle outright. It's all mine and it won't refuse to run if
>> >> >> I make improvements to it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >No, but the manufacturer of your vehicle might cancel your warrenty if
>> >> >they don't like what you did to "improve" it.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, really? Guffaw. Case closed. ;-)
>> >
>> >"Guffaw your way over to www.ford-diesel.com and look at the forums.
>> >Several people have had problems with Ford canceling their engine
>> >warrenty because of the installation of an exhaust brake.
>>
>> Last I recall, there were some minor distinctions between warranties and
>> software licenses. Of course, 'chat's comments involved *software*, not
>> licensing, but the difference does tend to dissolve when trying to call
>> both monopoly crapware and open source both "software".
>>
>> In the end, that point is moot. Warrantee != license, and your analogy
>> is painfully mistaken.
>
>It wasn't my analogy but I believe it was more about how horrible that a
>unique ID number could be used to invade your privacy by identifying and
>registering your computer while your car already has many ID numbers on
>certain parts registered in a database somewhere completely out of your
>control.
I understand that. The invasion of privacy isn't a matter of access to
information; it is a matter of use of information. MS claims that
because they have access to private information they've the right to use
it.
Maybe not in any way so much as being known to be dishonest, and
claiming they don't, and what's more they don't have any reason and even
if they did it wouldn't do any harm, blah, blah, blah. But then, you
need not rest on an argument from ignorance. Their use of licenses for
their software, and especially for the Internet services (at least to
non-US residents, to further the obvious dishonesty of the thing) is
more than enough evidence for a reasonable person to have every right to
affront and anger, regardless of whether the invasion of privacy is
accompanied by soothing noises from the convicted criminal corporation.
Caveat emptor works both ways. Doh!
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:15 GMT
Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 10 May 2001 19:36:07
>"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:lsqK6.13574$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:3afa1214$0$78374$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[...]
>> That would be a reasonable statement in a legally competitive
>> environment where the user would have a choice about the
>> matter. We all know that doesn't exist.
>
>Unless you live in an alternate reality from the one the rest of us live
>in - you have more than a few choices.
Yea, yea, we know; that fact that everyone's stuck using whatever Bill
Gates is selling is just coincidence or popularity. Free markets
routinely support one producer having 90%+ of the market.
Tell us another one, daddy.
>Use Linux if you don't like the licensing deals other software offer.
Petition your congressmen if you'd like to revoke the Sherman Act. Get
in line if all you wanna do is whine on Usenet about how "unfair" we're
being to the monopoly.
>Then
>again even Linux has the GPL but apparentely communism is prefered over
>capitalism with that bunch...
Apparently you haven't a clue.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:16 GMT
Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May 2001
>"Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Jan Johanson wrote:
>> >
>> > Use Linux if you don't like the licensing deals other software offer.
>> > Then again even Linux has the GPL but apparentely communism is prefered
>> > over capitalism with that bunch...
>> >
>>
>> You *are* an asshole, Jan.
>> Keep politics out of here.
>> I know a lot of people who use linux. *None* of them, myself included,
>> is a communist or likes those ideas.
>
>Then you don't know much about communism.
>The GPL is very much in the spirit of the communism, or maybe socialism is a
>better word for it.
Everyone knows its commies that will deny a man his right to profiteer
as much as he can on other people's work. Real capitalists don't whine
about having to compete; they just give there money to whoever already
has more money than they do. I guess. Or something. Whatever.
Fear-mongering is what makes you an asshole, Jan; it doesn't say
jack-shit about the GPL or the free software community.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:17 GMT
Said Ketil Z Malde in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May 2001
>"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Then again even Linux has the GPL but apparentely communism is
>> prefered over capitalism with that bunch...
>
>Personally, I don't care much whether the person who restricts my
>freedom does so because he wants to be rich or because he wants to
>further his career in the Party.
>
>I don't understand why anybody thinks labelling something "communism"
>makes for good argumentation - I thought that went out of fashion in
>the sixties.
You probably think that because you grew up in the sixties. Jan hasn't
grown up yet, apparently, so he still thinks it's effective. Not as an
argument, certainly, but as a troll. Kids.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:18 GMT
Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 10 May 2001 19:38:09
>"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Jan Johanson wrote:
>> >
>> > "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > On 9 May 2001 00:43:02 -0500, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >Your car has unique ID numbers etched into 100 locations, all
>recorded in
>> > a
>> > > >corporate database and shared with the police and other dealers - you
>> > don't
>> > > >have a choice. That doesn't bother you? Seen any black helicopters
>> > lately?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > But I own my vehicle outright. It's all mine and it won't refuse to
>run
>> > if
>> > > I make improvements to it.
>> > >
>> >
>> > And you'll void your warranty. But a car isn't software and this
>software is
>> > licensed not sold. Trying leasing that car and see what happens when you
>> > decide to swap out the motor and change in the interior...
>>
>> At least when I buy some Linux distro I own it outright. No licenses
>> akin to the likes of MS at least.
>
>You think you can do whatever you'd like with that Linux setup eh?
>
>OK, change something.
>
>Try to keep it to yourself.
>
>Ooops you are in violation of the GPL - Stallman is gonna kick your little
>sisters butt if you don't share your efforts with everyone for free.
You are almost criminally mistaken, Jan. Where did you GET this stupid
idea?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:19 GMT
Said Les Mikesell in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May 2001 06:19:40
>"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:3afb33c7$0$78412$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> >
>> > At least when I buy some Linux distro I own it outright. No licenses
>> > akin to the likes of MS at least.
>>
>> You think you can do whatever you'd like with that Linux setup eh?
>>
>> OK, change something.
>>
>> Try to keep it to yourself.
>>
>> Ooops you are in violation of the GPL - Stallman is gonna kick your little
>> sisters butt if you don't share your efforts with everyone for free.
>
>Nothing in the GPL forces you to share anything. However the
>way you are allowed to share is very restricted.
"Very" being Les's term for "more than I like". It certainly wouldn't
be used by anyone else (well, JD and the other anti-GPL flakes),
considering how trivial and minor the restriction is, and the much
greater amount of freedom *compared to proprietary licenses*. Les is a
BSD fanatic; we can forgive him idiosyncrasies, I guess.
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:20 GMT
Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 10 May 2001 19:39:11
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> >And you'll void your warranty. But a car isn't software and this software is
>> >licensed not sold. Trying leasing that car and see what happens when you
>> >decide to swap out the motor and change in the interior...
>>
>> Try telling people who lease cars from you that they need permission to
>> carry passengers. It might be a stupid analogy, but so's yours. Why
>> would you lease a car if you wanted to swap out the motor?
>>
>> So where do I go to buy the Windows that we're allowed to modify?
>
>Why would you want to modify Windows (according to your swapping motor reply
>who'd ever want to - people who lease are always fully satisified with
>off-the-shelf non-customized vehicals according to you)?
They don't switch motors, that's for sure. I would say that would be
'according to them', since they can either lease or buy the car (please
provide evidence of such a thing as a car that you cannot own but can
only lease if you'd like to dispute that point.) So if they buy a car,
they can change the motor; warranties are service agreements, not
"licenses" and are therefore just obfuscation.
As for why I would want to modify Windows, I guess we could start
metaphorically, with "So it isn't such an awful piece of shit", all the
way down to the analytical, "so I can make a killing in the
after-market, because out of the box its a piece of shit". Of course,
people who can actually handle source code have more specific ideas, I'd
bet. Where do they go to buy the Windows that we're "allowed" to
modify?
Hint: it's a car analogy; give it up. You are simply mistaken;
warrantee limitations have nothing to do with end user license
agreements, and licensing software is only vaguely (and in this context,
incorrectly) analogous to leasing an automobile.
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:21 GMT
Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 10 May 2001 19:45:13
>"Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Jan Johanson wrote:
>> >
>> > Is there really any doubt that W2K rox the house?
>> >
>>
>> Well, it sure prooves that you hould never trust any statistic you
>> didn´t falsify yourself.
>
>Gotta love it - a few months ago when Tux beat IIS by 7% the linvocates were
>roaring their victory.
Nuh-uh; that's revisionist history, most definitely and dishonestly. It
was a few months before that, when Tux beat IIS by about 150%, IIRC; you
guys have been trying to redirect the issue to the later test a few
months later, after MS figured out how to cheat the tests using a
front-end cache that actually did all the work, while IIS kind of sat
there most of the time.
In the second test, Linux only beat Windows by 6%, you are correct.
>Now when the tables are turned, the same tests are false.
Not false; they were very competently and fairly discussed. Quite
making stuff up, you dishonest piece of shit.
>Ahhahahaha - THIS Is yet another proof of why linux will always fail in the
>real world. Cause no one buys this kinda waffling crap.
This is yet another proof that you are a sock puppet who must obviously
be rather terrified concerning Linux's success in the real world, and so
you decide to troll on Usenet to try desperately, and rather
pathetically, to deny the facts.
So much for waffling cap, Jan. <*Spank*> Grow up.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:22 GMT
Said Donn Miller in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May 2001 06:57:42
>"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
>> That certainly explains why Apache and Linux continue to gain market
>> share while W2K and IIS continue to lose it. :)
>
>Bite your tongue! It's because people hate poor Bill Gates and his poor
>little company that everyone seems to push around. Dammit, why oh why
>do people possess such hatred of MS?
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha. LOL. Good one, Donn.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:22 GMT
Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 10 May 2001 19:46:10
>"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Jan Johanson wrote:
>>
>> > Is there really any doubt that W2K rox the house?
>>
>> Yes, because unix systems stay up longer. Remember the "awesome" MTTF
>> that Windows 2000 exhibits? LOL.
>
>Yes, I do. And W2K stays up every bit as long as unix systems.I know you
>won't admit it or can't imagine it but that's your problem not ours.
Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence! Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha. If MS
software somehow managed to have better MTTF than unix (which it
doesn't, neither in the lab nor in most instances in the wild), why
would it be a problem for anyone? Whatsamatta, can't stand the
competition? It would be kinda hard to keep believing that MS software
was great stuff if it didn't have overwhelming market share, wouldn't
it?
Meanwhile, the people who like Linux are quite well aware that W2K's
MTTF is definitely someone else's problem; no problem for them at all.
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T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:23 GMT
Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May 2001
[...]
>Can't speak of uptime, because it's usually to expensive (and long) to
>benchmark those.
>But according to TCP.ORG, in the unclustered category, Win2K win on
>price/performance.
Ironic, given the monopoly pricing, eh? Just goes to show you why "high
prices" aren't the be-all-and-end-all of why monopolies are illegal.
Obviously the numbers carefully avoided the zero price for Linux and the
predatory licensing of Windows. Could be MS just competed for 'cheapest
system' in a way that TCP.ORG is rather blind to. Windows runs on
cheaper hardware *would* be the lesson learned, but for the fact that we
know this is not true in the real world, beyond a certain limit. (Linux
can't run on a 286, but then DOS can't compare to Linux to begin with.)
>On unclustered/clustered category, Win2K wins *both* price/performance &
>performance.
By pitting only clustered Windows against only unclustered Linux,
mostly.
I'm willing to be if you give me the url, it will be the very same page
of numbers I looked at months ago. You're just unaware of how sound a
spanking Erik got when he brought it up back then.
Feel free to troll elsewhere.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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