Linux-Advocacy Digest #500, Volume #34 Mon, 14 May 01 01:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm ("JS PL")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: MS should sue the pants off linux-mandrake (was: Re: Winvocates confuse me -
d'oh!) ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Isaac)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Chad Everett)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Tom Wilson")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Linux in college & high school ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Tom Wilson")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:11:13 +1200
> >Given that Unisys builds the biggest W2K/NT servers around that question
> >sounds hollow.
>
> Hardly; they had the biggest W2K/NT servers around, but they didn't use
> them, of course, when they needed a big reliable system.
>
> >Gee, lets think for a minute shall we?
> >
> >Can you say: application compatibility?
>
> No, it's "application barrier". Unisys, as well as everyone else (but
> MS) would like to do away with it, but the best they can do is build big
> W2K/NT systems for when they are forced to be compatible with monopoly
> crapware.
>
> >They WERE running Unix and when they upgraded they stayed with... wait for
> >it... Unix - suprise? I'm not. Those who fail to learn from the past
> >mistakes are doomed to repeat them. Here is proof of such ...
>
> So the fact that Win9x is universally denigrated by Wintrolls (and
> everyone else, way before they admitted it) is just more proof of how
> wonderful W2K/NT is, right?
>
Also he/she totally ignores my reply to why they chose UNISYS over a
Wintel solution.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:13:36 +1200
> Nice teleology; MS forces people to pay for the same crap all over again
> over and over (well, admittedly, it isn't quite the same, which of
> course is half the reason for the complaints) and this is "in order for
> it to improve"?
>
> Linux improves for free. Guffaw.
>
Downloaded Kernel 2.4.4, configured it, that is, I took off all the
unneeded crap, optimised it for Pentium III, compiled, installed then
rebooted. A new OS, free! in under 15 minutes. Please inform me when I
can do this with Windows NT/2K.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:16:15 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said "JS PL" <hi everybody!> in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 13 May
> >"Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Question, why is it everytime a company is bought towards the DOJ, its
> >> >always the governments fault, reality stick please! why would a
> >> >government wish to unnecessarily ruin a cash cow? Microsoft broke the
> >>
> >> What makes you think they are a cash cow for anybody but themselves
> >> and the ones they have deluded into supporting their illegal
> >> activities ?
> >>
> >> They have paid no Federal Taxes for the last six years.
> >
> >If they don't pay federal taxes then I'm sure that they are not lawfully
> >obligated to pay. Are you suggesting that they just make up a dollar
amount
> >off the top of their head, and send it in just for the fun of it? Or are
you
> >a simply a little bit jealous?
>
> Wow; I'd have never seen that "jealous" argument coming, I swear!
>
> I think you're just jealous of the fact that everyone else is a WHOLE
> lot smarter than you are, JS PL.
"jealous" wasn't the argument Einstein. It was most likely his motive for
condemning Microsofts lawfull tax liability.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:16:34 +1200
> > Why would any sane person lock themselves into a .NOT pollution?
>
> Financial reasons mostly (from a developer's standpoint). You have to put
> dislike aside and earn a living. With any luck at all, it'll be a flop and
> we won't have to fool with it. There are already enough Windows platforms to
> have to support. I don't want to have to fool with yet another.
>From what I have read, it is meant to be the silver bullet to solve many
of Windows problems, aka DLL Hell, and the messy Win32 API. I would be
interested in seeing how long it will take for .net apps to appear. It
took some vendors, such as Lotus, 7 years to move their apps from Win16
API to Win32 API. DOn't expect any miracles soon, it will be a cold day
in hell when I see a .net app on the shelves one year after the release
of .net
Matthew Gardiner
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:18:33 +1200
> Abit BX-133 Mb w/current bios
> Pentium III 500
> 256 Mb PC-133 ECC
> Four 40 gig Seagate 7200 rpm ATA100 drives stripped and mirrored in hardware
> (onboard HPT370 dual channel RAID controller)
> 2 x Intel Server NICs
> generic CD-ROM and floppy
> aopen case, no extra cooling
> generic SIS AGP video card cause we use terminal services for remote admin
> so we almost never login locally.
> APC 1400 UPS connected via serial cable
>
> EVERYTHING without exception loaded using the standard Windows 2000 Server
> CD, I upgraded the NIC adapter driver cause there were some neat features in
> the intel driver instead of the one from MS, but that was unnecessary.
>
> Works perfectly solid, we started at 128 megs but upgraded to 256 when we
> decided to run active directory on this machine after that department was
> moved to a different floor. It's backed up over the network so no local
> backup device.
>
> Thats it. Nothing special.
>
> CPU utilization is practically nothing - we only used the 500 cause it was
> the best price break at the time of purchase.
How much ($) for 144 licenses? had you used Linux, or if you used a
commercial UNIX, Solaris 8 x86 or UNIXWare 7.1.1 you wouldn't have those
issues.
matthew Gardiner
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS should sue the pants off linux-mandrake (was: Re: Winvocates confuse
me - d'oh!)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 04:18:39 GMT
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 13 May 2001 00:38:26 GMT, Tom Wilson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If it's anywhere near as bloated and over-engineered as ADA was/is, then
it
> > deserves its' oblivion! Sad how suit types and academics can take good
ideas
> > and screw them up so much.
>
> I'm fairly sure that C++ has surpassed Ada's bloat factor by a couple
> of factors at least. As for being over-engineered, I'd prefer that to
> being under-engineered. YMMV.
So long as the engineering doesn't hamstring the developer when he tries to
get something done. Choices are nice, but, you can be overwhelmed by them
sometimes.
>
> I say this as someone who was very anti-Ada and pro-C++ back in the
> late 80's to mid 90's.
I thought both were "toys" back then. I used a Pascal and assembly mixture
simply because I could whip out programs with no effort at all (Not that I'm
brilliant or anything, I just had a lot of experience with the two).
Anything beyond a simple application, and *anything* for the Windows
platform, I used C.
> The biggest problem Ada had wasn't the language, which is actually not
> bad if you like Pascal-like languages,
I did until I ran into problems strong typing made even worse. I was spolied
by learning assembly as a first language (ANSI Basic doesn't count <g>)
> so much as the arrogance of DoD,
> who vastly oversold it. Ada was going to cure all that ailed software
> development. Of course, most of the things that are wrong with
> software development are beyond the capability of a mere programming
> language to fix.
A very credible and well put statement.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Isaac)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 04:04:22 GMT
On Mon, 14 May 2001 02:11:10 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You can't distribute copyrighted works (or derivative works) without the
>permission of the author. Yes, the INTENT of this action by the FSF
>*was* to 'scare people off'; they don't want GNU to become the basis of
>a commercial code-base, since providing an alternative to commercial
>code-bases is the whole point of the GNU.
>
>Quite whining, that's all I've got to say. If you don't believe there's
So disagreeing with you is whining. You're an idiot and now you are
once again a filtered idiot.
Isaac
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:22:18 +1200
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > If any company saw a benefit in using Linux to up their scores for their
> > > product, it would've been used long ago.
> > >
> > > Sun, IBM, BEA, HP, and Compaq all could stand to gain if they could get
> > > better results in the TPC. Obviously, they've determined that Linux doesn't
> > > offer this, so therefore there's no incentive to pay millions of dollars
> > > if you know it's going to fail.
> > >
> > > -c
> > >
> > Ever admined a SUN box? or an IBM Mainframe?
>
> How is this relevant to posting scores using Linux on the TPC?
>
> -c
Obviously by that response you are a sad little individual who is still
pissed off that they did not have the intellect to pass a UNIX admin
course. How come Work and Income New Zealand uses HP-UX servers? why
does the New Zealand Stock Exchange uses a s/390 mainframe?
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:24:29 +1200
> Um, my calculator says that a 99.999% uptime leaves 5.26 MINUTES
> downtime per year - not 8 hours. Did you perhaps calculate for 99.9%
> uptime?
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
365days * 24hours = 8760 hours
0.001(difference between 100 and 99.999) * 8760 hours = 8.76 hours.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 May 2001 22:46:20 -0500
On Sun, 13 May 2001 10:39:30 -0400, Jeffrey L. Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I could care less about the Office suites since they are all fine. I
>would be most interested in Adobe apps being released for Linux.
>
No kidding. It is a damn shame that Adobe announced several months ago that
they were dropping all development and support of Framemaker for Linux.
Seems that Adobe is going backwards.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:32:10 +1200
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > Btw, the latest SUN midframe servers, you can add memory, hard disks and
> > processors whilst it is running, and Solaris instantly finds these new
> > pieces of hardware, and utilises them. Mind you, IBM s/390's and 900z's
> > have had this technology for years.
>
> In 8 years time we will have stories of SUNS with 0% downtime where
> nothing is original except the case. By that time, we'll have S/390s with
> uptimes of 16 years and no original components.
>
> Will we ever have a windows machine with an uptime of 8 or more years. My
> guess is no, partly because it is not yet capable of that level of
> stability and secondly, PC hardware is too shoddy to allow for such
> upgrades.
>
> -Ed
>
Also, people may boo hoo proprietry components, however, when was the
last time you knew of a proprietry OS and hardware go down like a house
on fire? SUN, SGI, and IBM *nix's are built like a brick shit house.
www.nzoom.com uses IRIX. Maximum uptime has been 274, however, its quite
low due to a hardware upgrade (I have chatted to several of the admins).
Originally they didn't expect a huge demand, however, they were
overwelmed, and as a result, had to upgrade to maintain the level of
quality.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:32:20 -0400
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >
> > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:VNlL6.58$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Ayende Rahien" <Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:9dkoad$kk8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:ZPkL6.40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:Z1iL6.651$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > GCC is perfectly free for Windows, just as it is for Linux. In
> > > fact,
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > are dozens of free compilers for Windows.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While I haven't looked at any of them for several years and my
> > > opinions
> > > > > > therefore are dated, most I saw weren't worth the trouble to
> > > implement.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > were better off just shelling out for a Borland compiler (For
> 3.11) or
> > > > > > Visual Studion (9x/NT). One of these days I may try GCC for grins
> and
> > > > > > giggles but am afraid to find out that it works better than VC6.
> > > Nothing
> > > > > > worse than shelling out the dough for Visual Studio 6 Enterprise
> to
> > > find
> > > > > > that a free product is better.<g> I truly don't want to find this
> > > > out...
> > > > >
> > > > > I wouldn't be very surpirsed to find out that GCC is better than
> VC6,
> > > VC6'
> > > > > compiler is, after all, over 4 years old.
> > > > > However, I would use VC just for the IDE. I wonder if you can hock
> GCC
> > > to
> > > > > VC, the way Intel Compiler does.
> > > >
> > > > The senior guy at our hack shop was wondering the same thing and we
> may
> > > try
> > > > it at some point. A pet project I want to do is a Visual-Studio-like
> > > > front-end for X systems. IDE's are a pretty big weakness there.
> KDeveloper
> > > > is starting to head in that direction but still has a way to go. The
> big
> > > > things I want are auto completion, multiple language and compiler
> support,
> > > > and Wizard-Based project generation (but with a less obtuse interface
> than
> > > > IProject and IConfiguration). Someday, when I have the time......
> > >
> > > Wait for VS.NET, should have all of those, I'm waiting for my copy of
> the
> >
> >
> > Why would any sane person lock themselves into a .NOT pollution?
>
> Financial reasons mostly (from a developer's standpoint). You have to put
> dislike aside and earn a living. With any luck at all, it'll be a flop and
> we won't have to fool with it. There are already enough Windows platforms to
> have to support. I don't want to have to fool with yet another.
Dear Darth,
Learn to develop for Unix and come, return to the light side.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:33:41 -0400
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > > Why would any sane person lock themselves into a .NOT pollution?
> >
> > Financial reasons mostly (from a developer's standpoint). You have to put
> > dislike aside and earn a living. With any luck at all, it'll be a flop and
> > we won't have to fool with it. There are already enough Windows platforms to
> > have to support. I don't want to have to fool with yet another.
> From what I have read, it is meant to be the silver bullet to solve many
> of Windows problems, aka DLL Hell, and the messy Win32 API. I would be
> interested in seeing how long it will take for .net apps to appear. It
> took some vendors, such as Lotus, 7 years to move their apps from Win16
> API to Win32 API. DOn't expect any miracles soon, it will be a cold day
> in hell when I see a .net app on the shelves one year after the release
> of .net
>
> Matthew Gardiner
The whole point of .not is that you DON'T get anything from the store shelves...
because whatever you get off a store shelf, you OWN...whereas .not is about
forcing you to perpetually RENT.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 04:34:08 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9dmgt3$n0l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9dm4d1$6ej$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> > Why don't they run benchmarks that test the use of the system in more
> > demanding situations? Set up a PHP-Nuke discussion board, or a
perl-based
> > web email system, and compare the speeds of the different systems. Even
> > better would be to specify a system such as a discussion board, and
> > implement the same interface with PHP, ASP, JSP, ColdFussion, Perl, or
any
> > other dynamic web system and compare the results. The backend database
> > should also be interchangable. Then we could really see what systems
are
> > the most cost-effective for web servers.
>
> Okay, that would be good, there have been a couple of tests like that,
IIRC.
> On one of them, PHP beat ASP, then MS came, re-wrote the ASP code (to do
the
> same thing) and gained 2x speed increase, and beat all the above mentioned
> system by a wide margin.
> Now, that doesn't mean that PHP or ASP or anything else are better than
one
> another, it just demonstrate the ability of the coder in that particular
> language.
Again showing the futility of benchmark testing...
>
> And what task do you've in mind? Discussion board is *easy*, I've done two
> (as an excercise) in ASP.
> One worked like a Matt's BBS clone, where anything is a static HTML file,
> and you update them manually via a script. Thus the only overhead you've
is
> when people post.
> And another where you use DB, where you could do much more complex stuff,
> thus you've the script+db overhead.
> I think that the best solution is a combination of those two method, store
> the stuff in the DB, generate static pages every couple of minutes.
> This way you have both the flexebility of DB and the speed of static
pages.
>
> But I digress, widely.
A far more interesting topic, though...
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:34:49 +1200
>
> But why would you do this on purpose? That's a strawman argument.
What is a "strawman"? some native septic tank comment that the rest of
the world doesn't know yet?
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux in college & high school
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:32:05 +0600
Dave Martel wrote:
> Or at least a smiley. Without the necessary voice cues, sarcasm just
> doesn't come across well in text.
Without the necessary voice cues, everything appears to be marked with implicit
<flamebait></flamebait> tags.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 04:35:25 GMT
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9dmfkn$588$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Btw, the latest SUN midframe servers, you can add memory, hard disks and
> > processors whilst it is running, and Solaris instantly finds these new
> > pieces of hardware, and utilises them. Mind you, IBM s/390's and 900z's
> > have had this technology for years.
>
> In 8 years time we will have stories of SUNS with 0% downtime where
> nothing is original except the case. By that time, we'll have S/390s with
> uptimes of 16 years and no original components.
>
> Will we ever have a windows machine with an uptime of 8 or more years. My
> guess is no, partly because it is not yet capable of that level of
> stability and secondly, PC hardware is too shoddy to allow for such
> upgrades.
The latter is a *very* valid point.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:36:10 +1200
> I'd like to find the engineer who doesn't take into account the fact
> that the systems have eight processors instead of four in a five to
> six hundred server enterprise data-center. You really do need to
> rethink your statement.
>From the sounds of things, Jan is your average office clerk, who thinks
because she can use Windows and Office, that makes her a genius, when in
reality, it is the complete opposite.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:36:10 -0400
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > If any company saw a benefit in using Linux to up their scores for their
> > > > product, it would've been used long ago.
> > > >
> > > > Sun, IBM, BEA, HP, and Compaq all could stand to gain if they could get
> > > > better results in the TPC. Obviously, they've determined that Linux doesn't
> > > > offer this, so therefore there's no incentive to pay millions of dollars
> > > > if you know it's going to fail.
> > > >
> > > > -c
> > > >
> > > Ever admined a SUN box? or an IBM Mainframe?
> >
> > How is this relevant to posting scores using Linux on the TPC?
> >
> > -c
> Obviously by that response you are a sad little individual who is still
> pissed off that they did not have the intellect to pass a UNIX admin
> course. How come Work and Income New Zealand uses HP-UX servers? why
> does the New Zealand Stock Exchange uses a s/390 mainframe?
Um...they weren't smart enough to figure out how to get Lose2k to perform
as advertised...and thus decided to go with the HP-UX and s/390 systems
that are within their abilities to manage.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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