Linux-Advocacy Digest #586, Volume #34 Fri, 18 May 01 03:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Rant: Report from the newbie front (Michael Vester)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (GreyCloud)
Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (GreyCloud)
Re: Win 9x is horrid (Peter Hayes)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 02:32:31 -0400
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > jet wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > chrisv wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> HMMM??? Are you claiming then that homosexual behavior is a
> > > disease????????
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Close. He's claiming that it's the RESULT of a disease
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Or something.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kookis, don't you tire of displaying your ignorance and bad logic to
> > > > > the world?
> > >
> > > Obviously not.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You guys STILL have yet to demonstrate that homosexuality is
> > > > anything OTHER than defective behavior.
> > >
> > > Defective in what way?
> >
> >
> > nonproductive
>
> We've got 6 billion people. Doesn't seem like much of a defect.
No. That's called SUCCESS.
>
> Is masturbation defective behavior?
There are biological advantages to it.
See "Sperm Wars" by Robin Baker.
>
> J
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 02:33:27 -0400
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ray Fischer wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Ray Fischer wrote:
> > >
> > > >> And where do you suppose the men gets AIDS?
> > > >>
> > > >> From women.
> > > >
> > > >Bzzzzzzzt! Wrong.
> > > >There is no transport mechanism for any such infection to happen.
> > >
> > > Well, it seems that the United States Centers for Disease Control
> > > believes otherwise.
> > >
> > > But what do they know? The all-knowing homophobe Kulkis says
> > > otherwise.
> > >
> > > http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq21.htm
> > >
> > > Can I get HIV from having vaginal sex?
> > >
> > > Yes, it is possible to become infected with HIV through vaginal
> > > intercourse. In fact, it is the most common way the virus is
> > > transmitted in much of the world. HIV can be found in the blood,
> > > semen, pre-seminal fluid, or vaginal fluid of a person infected
> > > with the virus. The lining of the vagina can tear and possibly
> > > allow HIV to enter the body. Direct absorption of HIV through
> > > the mucous membranes that line the vagina also is a possibility.
> > >
> > > The male may be at less risk for HIV transmission than the female
> > > through vaginal intercourse. However, HIV can enter the body of the
> > > male through his urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or
> > > through small cuts or open sores on the penis.
> >
> > Blood pressure prevents this.
>
> Blood comes out of the urethra?
No..it keeps the urethra tightly closed until forced open by exiting semen.
>
> J
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rant: Report from the newbie front
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:59:04 -0700
ecnal nillaf wrote:
>
> Hello linvocates! (hello winvocates too)
>
> First I have to say, I am not that technical and I am *not* in the
> computer trades fields at all.
>
> I'm just a security guard (you know us, underachievers inc. )
>
I have done my share of security guarding too. It can be very difficult
and demanding. I used the long hours at quiet sites to advance my
education. Computers were still million dollar machines in air-conditioned
rooms back then. A good friend of mine is a security guard. He has a lap
top which he uses at quiet sites. He is very intelligent and is a pretty
decent coder, too.
> anyway ... I got my first computer in 1995 ... just something to play
> with. Win95 was installed, I didn't know about any other OS (except I had
> previously heard of IBM and MAC)
>
> Anyway ... admittedly ... win95 was GREAT! (initially) it looked good,
> it was fairly easy to learn how to get around with all the gui menus and
> whatnot.
>
Typical and normal newbie reaction. I was once a user of losedos too. I
thought it was pretty.
> Fortunately I have a younger brother (I'm 37) who is a network security
> specialist working for a prominent company that has programs for both
> windows and linux. Anyway ... My brother is fairly knowledgeable in more
> than just the network security aspect.
>
It helps to have a technical family member. I am the families tech
support. My father, 65 years old, is now a happy Linux user. He was badly
burned by virii. He used to run a losedos 95 system. His Linux system is
completely invunerable to virii. I can effortlessly support him via ssh.
> cutting to the chase ....
>
> anyway ... it has been a great joy (and many frustrations) plunking away
> with both windows and linux (and a little in dos) I still feel that I
> don't know anything ... but I guess I'm a little above the average user?
> Maybe I'm what they call a power user? Who knows? Who is john Galt?
> hehehe anyway ...
>
You are doing great. You have an interest in how things work. I have been
working in the IT field for 14 years and I feel like I don't know
anything. I think as long as you feel that way, you will survive and do
well.
> I bounced back in forth with linux and windows about 2 years ago ... I
> have a dual boot system with win98 on the other hard drive ... but ... I
> rarely use windows, I can't tell you totally why I rarely use windows
> anymore and I can't tell you why i still keep win98 on any hard drive?
>
> That's what i'm trying to say ... there are uses for both ... As far as
> the evilness of MS-Windows ... well ... did those larger companies have
> to agree to play by Gates' rules? Was billy boy the only game in town?
> He either had a product that they wanted ... or he did not
> ... and they agreed to those terms (which terms I thought sucked ... but
> who am I?). I'm not going to get into this game about who is more evil
> and the roots of windows and linux. Let the superior product succede the
> most!
>
The story of Bill Gates rise to world domination is a fascinating one. It
has been mentioned on this news group that Bill and Al Capone share many
values. I tend to agree. Microsoft did not get so big by just selling
crappy software.
> For me ... Linux is that superior product. I can only give a few reasons
> why (for now) but most of it (after the learning curve) is based on feel
> (don't tell my fellow objectivists that I said that!).
>
You demonstrate remarkable insight.
> Reasons linux is better for me (just an "at home" user)....
>
> 1. I learn a lot more about the nuts and bolts of the system .. the hood
> isn't welded shut as it is in ms-windows (and mac and amiga???? etc etc?)
>
Never call yourself "just a security guard" You have demonstrated more
technical savvy than many so called IT professionals. You are more than
just a job title.
> 2. Things run smoother (for the most part, most of the time... no OS is
> without blemish, NO OS at all! )
>
An inevitable observation.
> 3. I live in screwed up New Mexico (Albuquerque) where we grow
> micro-chips in our backyard (INTEL at Rio Rancho) but have shitty phone
> lines, ("dial-up only" for most areas) and the cable company hasn't
> finished installing everything necessary to get my greatly desired cable
> modem access yet! aaarrrrggghhh! so ... point is ... do you want to
> d-load windos bloatware? I'll take the .tar files anytime over that (at
> least with this slow ass dial-up here)
>
I am spoiled living in the most online city in the world, Edmonton. Thats
in Canada, eh. I have been connected through a cable modem for the last 4
years. If cable is not your thing, ADSL is offered by 4 different
companies. There is a wireless service available at about 2.5 megabits per
second. Dial-up is a dying beast around here.
> 4. I don't really play "Quake" or anything like that ... I use my
> computer for learning more about the OS and also for chatting, e-mailing,
> viewing pics, browsing, and when I do play any games I like xlincity and
> that penguin solitaire game ... and maybe xfrisk ... and that's about it,
I have a Nintendo 64 for games.
> I really don't have time in my busy (under-achiever) life to mess with
> games ... use windos for that untill linux gets better and easier for the
> neophyte. I am planning to take some unix courses at the local community
> college soon, I would like to get certification in any distro of linux or
> unix ... but I have a lot more to learn.
>
You are not an under-achiever. You have accomplished a great deal and just
keep doing what you are doing. It takes time. I have been using Linux for
2 years and I have been working as a web application developer for 6
months on a Solaris. I still have much to learn. Just remember in the
Unix/Linux world, everything you learn will be valid years later. In the
losedos world, everything you learn has to be relearned every time
Microsoft releases yet another losedos. I moved into a Solaris environment
with ease, just from what I learned running my own Linux servers.
> 5. oh yeah ... whenever things might lock up in linux ... (and they
> rarely do for me) I can hit ctrl+alt+backspace and I don't lose my
> connection! and I still have a command line to work with! That beats
> win98 all to hell and back (as far as I am concerned) just that point
> right there is worth the switch.
>
The X-server crashed. Linux still keeps ticking. I have managed to crash
Linux once. I took a zip disk out of the drive without umounting it. My
mistake. Otherwise, it runs for months. Only our flakey power grid brings
it down. Just added a much larger UPS, anticipating many blackouts this
summer. Currently, one of my Linux boxes has an uptime of 145 days. Not
bad for a 10 year old 486.
> 6. SuSe and RedHat are geared for the GUI lovers and newbies :) try it
> ... stick with it ... you'll like it! especially if you have a lower end
> system! (I have a P-II 400 ) (just got this recently ... I moved up from
> my used p-120 that I bought for $300) (I'm a guard, I'm poor, I make do)
>
You have a decent system for Linux.
> I could think of many more reasons ... but hell ... the point is ... if
> you love windos ... and can't deal with anything else ... fine ... use
> what works for you. I won't hate you, just don't think you are superior
> or I'll smash you! :p
>
Those losedos advocates often sound like they are superior. Their
enthusiasm seems to be evaporating with the looming release of losedos XP
(eXtra Profits by forcing software rental on unsuspecting users). Or .NOT
your applications over the net. Not only will you be inconvienienced by
buggy software but now network problems will add to the uncertainty.
Imagine not being able to run month end because a router two thousand
miles away has failed.
> I am happy I pulled all my hair out and learned a few things about linux,
> hehehe I'm staying with Linux untill the next thing better OS comes out
> (FreeBSD? whew ... not for me ... not yet anyway ... sounds like it would
> be fun to get to know though)
>
No pain, no gain. Losedos advocates want everything to be spoon fed to
them. Their concept of a great operating system is one that gives you
little choice so they don't have to think. Thinking and advocating losedos
are mutually exclusive.
> BTW ... I'm using RedHat 7.0 with gnome and sawfish (I sometimes use
> iceWM).
>
> the other gripe I have: Distro and Desktop wars ... sheesh ... use what
> you can deal with and what you like ... linux needs a united front ... who
> cares what distro and what desktop ... use what you like!!
>
You make a very valid point. The LSB (Linux Standard Base) is an attempt
to bring order.
> Okay ... I'm done ranting ... I feel better now.
>
> Hasta La Pasta amigos!
>
> Lance from sunny and under-connected New Mexico
You posted a great Linux advocacy posting. The best one I have seen in
quite a while. Keep on posting.
I take too many shots at losedos to be a good advocate. It is a difficult
habit to break. I have seen too many losedos failures. But at least I am
credible with a real name and a real email address. Most losedos
advocates are anonymous. Obviously, they don't really believe in what they
are advocating. It almost seems that they are ashamed. They are probably
individuals that like to just troll and/or argue without any interest in
what they are arguing about.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:39:37 -0700
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > jet wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > chrisv wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> HMMM??? Are you claiming then that homosexual behavior is a
> > > disease????????
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Close. He's claiming that it's the RESULT of a disease
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Or something.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kookis, don't you tire of displaying your ignorance and bad logic to
> > > > > the world?
> > >
> > > Obviously not.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You guys STILL have yet to demonstrate that homosexuality is
> > > > anything OTHER than defective behavior.
> > >
> > > Defective in what way?
> >
> >
> > nonproductive
>
> We've got 6 billion people. Doesn't seem like much of a defect.
>
> Is masturbation defective behavior?
>
> J
Nope! Just a result from a defective female!
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:48:29 -0700
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2001 16:06:28 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> Not to call you a liar, but I have _never_ met anyone who managed to keep
> >> Win 9x running for more than a working week (i.e.: five days) in a normal
> >> office or home environment (*). Most people call themselves lucky if they
> >> get through the day without a three-finger salute to their grey box.
> >
> > Most people are always screwing with their systems. Once you have a
> > working, stable system, don't fuck with it by installing the latest driver
> > or whatever. it'll stay up a lot longer than you think.
> >
>
> I'd agree with Eric there, however sometimes just adding an app can render
> Win9x unstable. The same can happen to Linux also (memory leaks).
>
> Overall my Windows experience was not that bad, Win95 was just so much better
> than Win3.11, and I rarely suffered any lockups. I do recall being hesitant
> to d/l more than 1 file at a time, as it *always* resulted in corrupted files.
>
> Interestingly that requirement was negated by Linux, and I can count the
> number of d/l corruptions on one hand, since I went Linux full time in 1997.
>
> In opposition to the claims of Wintrolls, I have never claimed that Windows9x
> was that bad, and I went to Linux because of the APPS, more than anything else.
>
> Mind you, having used my Wifes Win98 box, I'm less than impressed, and
> she often wishes she had Win95 on it still.
>
Yes, it is the same with my wifes computer. It came pre-loaded with
Win95. Later I upgraded it to Win95b... then Win98... then Win98SE. It
just made it slower and more crash prone per upgrade.
> --
> Kind Regards
> Terry
> --
> **** ****
> My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:50:45 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > HAHAHAHA!! Once in a while one has to be able to laugh at yourself. Us
> > Yanks can laugh at ourselves a lot... and I also laugh at a lot of them
> > as well. :-)
> >
> lol, nice to here someone out there will a sense of humour. The funniest
> part was an American tourist who went up to a information desk at Auckland
> Airport asking where the "bathroom" is, the person at desk was puzzled, then
> she realised, 'Oh, do you mean a toilet?". What a classic. Are there any
> yanks who can say that dreaded word "toilet" in public?
>
> Matthew Gardiner
HAHAHA!! I always ask for the CAN myself... just to embarass anybody
about.
:-)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:53:20 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > HAHAHAHA!! Once in a while one has to be able to laugh at yourself. Us
> > > Yanks can laugh at ourselves a lot... and I also laugh at a lot of them
> > > as well. :-)
> > >
> > lol, nice to here someone out there will a sense of humour. The funniest
> > part was an American tourist who went up to a information desk at Auckland
> > Airport asking where the "bathroom" is, the person at desk was puzzled, then
> > she realised, 'Oh, do you mean a toilet?". What a classic. Are there any
> > yanks who can say that dreaded word "toilet" in public?
>
> Yes; it's just not the habit.
>
> Although I had an teacher in grade school who INSISTED that we say
> "lavatory" instead of bathroom (because there are no baths in the
> school bathrooms).
>
> Of course, the typical 3rd graders whom he was subjecting to his
> inanity couldn't figure out why someone would want to ask to go
> to the laboratory when all they want to do is take a piss.
>
That brings up some old memories. While in the first grade our teacher
informed us that if you wanted to go tinkle you should say "I need to do
#1" ... if it is not a tinkle then you need to say "I need to do #2".
Very evasive generation it was.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:56:19 -0700
Michael Vester wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > Jon Johansan wrote:
> > >
> > > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Interconnect wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > [HUGE SNIP]
> > > > > > This is coming from a person who plays games on the server, ROFL!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you expect from a dedicated Windows *professional* :D
> > > >
> > > > Of course. Chad Myers is the sort of idiot who would user a server as a
> > > > workstation as well. On several occasions that was he said thats what
> > > > he also used the server for.
> > >
> > > This cracks me up coming from the linvocates who KEEP talking about linux
> > > being free and saving money is so important...
> > >
> > > Lets park a file/print share server in the closet and let it's CPU and Mem
> > > usage stay idle for years just cause a server is a server and a workstation
> > > is where you run things, never the two shall meet. Sheesh... while I don't
> > > see myself running many games on a server I #1) have no fear of doing it
> > > cause, it's a computer, it's there to do what you want it to when you want
> > > it to, it shouldn't be single tasked. #2) would do it just to piss off the
> > > server elitists who'd cringe at the idea and #3) cause sometimes having a 0
> > > ping kicks ass! <smile>
> >
> > Nothing like having Jon, Chad and Eric in the same ng.... like watching
> > the three stooges in action!
> > --
> > V
> Great comedy. The three stooges actually had talent, our 3 ng stooges
> don't. I keep hoping for a losedos advocate with a bit more intelligence.
> It seems that the Linux side is heavily favoured when it comes to
> intelligent advocates.
> --
> Michael Vester
> A credible Linux advocate
>
> "The avalanche has started, it is
> too late for the pebbles to vote"
> Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
Of course I could have said they reminded me of "Dopey, Happy, and
Grumpy".
>From my own perspective, coming from a VMS environment and an old VS
environment, windows was shockingly primitive and deficient.
--
V
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 9x is horrid
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:51:29 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 17 May 2001 20:30:54 -0600, Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On 18 May 2001 00:08:52 GMT, Daniel Tryba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> It's much easier for Microsoft to spy on their users via data
> >>> transmitted in encrypted form over the Internet . Most users will be
> >>> blissfully unaware
> >>> even if 40-50k, perhaps even 100k of data - a full inventory of their
> >>> hard disks, for example - were to be sent to Microsoft.
> >>
> >> Again, MS could send 1 byte of data extra in a TCP header every time
> >> you connect to microsoft.com and do the same thing. They do *NOT*
> >> need to do it through activation. It simply makes no sense whey they
> >> would choose this method, and not some other less visible method, *IF*
> >> they were going to do this. Merely using their software is enough.
> >
> >You don't _need_ to connect to *.microsoft.com or whatever host they
> >could use to collect data (you might even not be on a network at all),
> >but you _have to_ get an activation code.
> >
> >If I had to do some (illegal) datacollection I would probably do it
> >during activation.
>
> I think the goal here is not data collection, but the ability to tie a
> real identity to your machine.
That's a pretty good reason to avoid XP like the plague. Unfortunately, in
a few years time 90% of consumer machines will be running XP, there being
no other choice within the Microsoft world, and your digital identity will
be as clear as DNA.
Another motive is to stop piracy, so I'm told. Of course, within days of
the launch of XP, cracked copies, or corporate copies that don't require
authentication, will appear, if they're not already available. This gives
the lie to the anti-piracy motive, and reinforces my opinion that Microsoft
are looking for complete control over the desktop, a continuing monthly
subscription based revenue stream, and control over your data (remember the
fiasco recently over data sent via Passport servers, I reckon the mask
slipped for a moment).
Peter
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