Linux-Advocacy Digest #608, Volume #34 Fri, 18 May 01 20:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (worlok)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: EXTRA EXTRA MS ADMITS!!!! (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft BACKDOORS AGAIN! MORE CHEATERY!!! (GreyCloud)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Ray Fischer)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (107/107) (Anonymous)
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:34:45 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > It's remarkable that Microsoft would, for instance,
> > > put OLE into the OS for anyone to use rather
> > > than making it an Office specific feature. They didn't
> > > see WordPerfect or Lotus as a threat;
> >
> > They damn well DID see WordPerfect and Lotus as a threat, or they wouold
> > have been busy with all those bundling licenses the DOJ busted them for
> > the first time.
>
> They don't seem to have seen them as much of a threat.
>
Now. Duh.
> > > their core
> > > business isn't office suites. It's development tools.
> >
> > Their "core busines" is first, window$, second, window$ apps.
>
> That covers virtually their entire product line;
> not exactly "core".
>
> [snip]
> > > Yeah. Very definitely.
> > >
> > > This .NET thing is not just some spasm; Microsoft
> > > has been losing developers to Sun. They want them
> > > back.
> > >
> > > *This* is the real threat to Microsoft's buisness
> > > model. As long as they have the developers, Windows
> > > cannot fail, and that gives Microsoft great influence.
> >
> > As long as micro$oft has a desktop monopoly, window$ cannot fail.
>
> If I understand what you mean, you are saying that
> as long as Windows does not file, Windows won't
> fail.
>
m$ has basically always had a desktop monopoly, but window$ has not
always been around.
> I'm tyrying to tell you *why* it's so firmly
> entrenched.
>
windows$ is so firmly entrenched because m$ stole the marketplace, which
you refuse to acceppt.
> > > But if they lose the developers, then Windows
> > > is at *most* a bunch of (no doubt very stable :D )
> > > device drivers.
> >
> > If developers could figure out a way to develop an OS that was
> > "compatible" with window$, thy would. That is what's scaring m$.
>
> Oh, come now. That'll a sure-fire losing strategy, as
> IBM discovered with OS/2 2.0.
>
Duh. BUT... m$ went after Netscape becasue m$ viewed as an alternate
platform. Same with JAVA.
> Being "Windows, only not from Microsoft" just
> means you are perpetually behind MS, since they
> are hardly going to give you a stationary
> target.
>
Gee. No kidding? So, no you unsderstand one of the reasons competitor
scream about m$ unfair market practices.
> It buys you nothing.
>
> [snip]
> > > > And if they cant "buy" them or get them to "license" their p[roducts
> to
> > > > m$ at a rediculous price, m$ kills them.
> > >
> > > I don't know why you put the scare quotes around "buy"
> > > there; they very definitely do buy out their competitors
> > > sometimes.
> >
> > And if they cant buy them they kill them. Or at least try.
>
> Ah, no scare quotes now. Much better.
>
> > > You may not like it, but you aren't the one getting all
> > > that money.
> > >
> > > MS also has been known to compete straight out,
> > > and sometimes they win. But sometimes they lose;
> > > and developers know this.
> >
> > They have never won on competition alone.
>
> Hmmmmmm. I know you see virtualy anything
> they do as nefarious, but I'd be surprsied if
> there was *no* counter-example to your claim.
>
They have NEVER won on basic competition.
> How about Visual Basic? What is the dirty trick
> with that one?
>
OS leveraging.
> [snip]
> > > > > But it's still true that companies have
> > > > > been able to successfully compete with Microsoft
> > > > > in the past, even so.
> > > >
> > > > Name 5.
> > >
> > > Intuit.
> > >
> > > MS seems to have given up on this one. This
> > > is the most clear cut example you could ask
> > > for.
> > >
> >
> > The FTC made m$ give up on this one.
>
> Yes. They couldn't beat them so they
> tried to buy them; MS is like that.
>
SO, now you agree that m$ doesnt compete on software merit?
> They couldn't even manage that, as you
> note, so they seem to be stuck.
>
> > > AOL.
> > >
> > > Even the supposedly all-powerful trick
> > > of putting an MSN icon on the desktop
> > > couldn't unseat AOL. Not that we aren't
> > > all rooting for MS on this one. :D
> >
> > There was a 5 year deal where m$ agrreed to put an AOL icon on the
> > desktop if AOL used IE. AOL is getting ready to bundle Communicator as
> > its default browser. We'l have to see what roadblocks m$ puts up.
>
> AOL is kicking MSN's butt. Sure, it may be
> dirty pool to have played on Microsoft's
> fears to do so. But it worked.
>
AOL played on --micro$oft's fears-- ????? Are you a total freaking
loony? NA, BTW, I was talking about browser selection.
> > > Oracle.
> > >
> > > MS is having real trouble getting database
> > > customers to believe in SQL Server. But
> > > they keep on plugging.
> >
> > SQL has not been a core businees for m$.
>
> You didn't say anything about "core" in your
> original question. I would say that SQL
> Server is closer to their core business than,
> say, Office is.
You would be wrong.
> But certainly it isn't as
> important as Windows is.
>
Wow. You got one right.
> > And it will stay difficult as
> > long as GPL SQL stuff is out there.
>
> No way. There are no GPL SQL databases
> that don't suck and suck hard. Not to put
> too fine a point on it.
>
Really? I dont think so.
> > Oracle startes out in the enterprise
> > arena on mainframes and minis. This has alsno not been m$'s area. This
> > is not a good esample of direct competition.
>
> Sure it is. Oracle and SQL Server are direct
> competitors, and Microsoft has been pouring
> on the effort to try to catch up.
>
> Oracle *is* multi-platform, and SQL Server
> is not- advanage Oracle that- but that does
> not mean as much as you probably suspect.
> People buy computers *just* to run these
> programs and nothing else.
>
> > > IBM.
> > >
> > > Notes remains *the* groupware product;
> > > Exchange may have a user interface that
> > > doesn't make you want to kill yourself
> > > quite as violently as Notes does, but it
> > > just isn't customisable in the same way.
> >
> > You are using Lotus as an example as a company that survived competition
> > with m$? Are you crazy?
>
> Lotus didn't; but IBM has, and you can't tell
> me MS played gentle with IBM. And Notes
> continues to be entrenched.
>
IBM is an 800 lb gorilla in several markets, and m$ still pushes it
around in the desktop OS market.
> > > Apple.
> > >
> > > However I may personally feel about it,
> > > Quicktime remains very popular as a
> > > media distribution format. I dunno if its
> > > the Sorenson codec or the API or
> > > what.
> >
> > Apple is not competition for m$.
>
> Sure it is, in *several* markets.
>
Name one.
> > Quicktime competes agains window$'
> > media (gag) and real networks stuff.
>
> Yeah,
>
> > But m$ says it will soon
> > "integrate" window$ media into the OS. We'll have to see if the other
> > stuff survives, or goes the way of Netscape.
>
> Windows Media has *always* been integrated;
> it is an OS component. Quicktime likewise on
> the Mac. Both have been around for awhile.
>
Integrated as in you cant remove it from the OS. You can remove
Quicktime. IIRC, you can still remove windows media, or at least media
player, but soon not.
> This is why Quicktime works rather less well
> on Windows, and Windows Media Player
> works rather less well on the Mac. You can't
> really do these thigns properly inside an
> application like that.
>
Yes, you can. Witness mpeg players.
> [snip]
> > > Well, okay, you *should* have meant their lawyers. And
> > > in some cases not even that; Digital Research didn't
> > > sue; Caldera did.
> >
> > Noorda pushed it. It was supposedly a large topic in the buy out talks.
>
> Yes.
>
> > And Digital DOES stand as an example of what happens when you compete
> > agains m$. They had a viable OS alternative to m$'s. m$ killed it
> > through immoral, unethical, illegal means.
>
> Through a better product, Windows.
>
Listen. DR-DOS did NOT, hear me..... NOT compete against window$. It
competed against m$-DO$. And micro$oft sabotaged it.
> DR-DOS was horrible compared to what we have now,
> thanks to Microsoft. Being *slightly* better than MS-DOS
> is simply no complement at all.
>
You continually compare whaty we have now to what we had then. Get in
the right freaking timeframe in a conversation. DR-DOS competed against
m$-DO$. Get it? m$-DO$. Being *slightly* better than MS-DOS WAS a
complement then. People were buying DR-DOS. Thats why m$ sabotaged it.
> [snip]
> > > > Tell that to Go Computing. Tehy were nimble. And micros$oft knofed
> them
> > > > in the back. Dame with Stac.
> > >
> > > No; Go Computing wasn't nimble. Not as nimble as MS,
> > > anyway, which was able to put together a credible
> > > pen-computing platform in a very big hurry.
> >
> > Have you lost touch with reality? When m$ announced pen window$, the
> > demos was smokle and mirrors. m$ sent an employee (Wink Thorn) to
> > videotape GO's demo to the Boston Computer Society. The another
> > employee (Marlin Eller) wrote code that would duplicate the demmo, pkus
> > a few things, but it wasnt real working pen code.
>
> I suspect this isn't true. For one thing it would be very
> silly indeed; PenWindows big selling point was that it
> would use the same API as Windows did, so it would
> be easy to port apps or find programmers.
>
Get the book Barbarians Led by Bill Gates. It is written by Marlin
Eller. You know... the guy that wrote the first pen window$ demo and
then headed up the pen window$ team. Read about it. It his own words.
> Making it appear to be a clone of Go would have
> been very foolish.
>
I didnt say it looked like a clone of GO. YOU assumed that. I said the
demo merely reproduced GO's demos actions plus a few others.
> > m$ then pre-annonced
> > pen windows and froze the market. They didnt have a thing. and when pen
> > window$ came out, it sucked. I know. I tried to use it. Did you?
>
> Oh, I know it sucked. I read the reviews. All the others
> sucked too, Go included, and in pretty much the same way:
> the handwriting recognition technology was just not
> good enough.
>
Except that the reviews for GO were great. And m$ froze the market to
kill GO. It's interesting how you ignore the fact that m$ froze the
market and try to throw some lame excuse to absolve m$'s behavior. You
do this all the time.
> > > Stac was plenty nimble. They out-nimbled Microsoft
> > > and bought the better patent. I may not approve
> > > of nimbleness-by-lawyer, but it should be acknowledged.
> >
> > Which m$ infringed.
>
> Painting Stac as one of MS's helpless victims is
> very silly. They won.
>
... and where are they now? They are certainly not inthe position they
were in when they produced Stacker. They won. Which showed m$ could be
shown, in court, to be the thieves they are and they still dont get the
axe.
> They were plenty nimble enough.
I wish you brain was.
--
Rick
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From: worlok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:30:29 -0400
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Windows (not Win2K) appears to be the biggest supercomputer out there in
> the *real* world. And it's all on the desktop.
>
> Scalability? How many machines is this supercomputer? 100? 1000?
> 1,000,000 (SETI) and 500,000 (Intel).
>
You are using the example of SETI wrongly. It is a distributed job made up
of many OS's, Windows being the largest merely due to the desktop monopoly.
I run SETI on my Sparcs and my Linux boxes, and they are in no more a
supercomputer than the Windows machines.
I never agreed with calling a large distributed thing like SETI as if it
was one computer. That is descriptive for what it does but hardly correct.
Now, if you mentioned Linux's beowulf clustering, where although they are
seperate machines but connected in such a way that they are more like a
large machine because they are running the clustering software and all are
controlled from a central node (I think), then yes.
Try to run Beowulf clustering on Windows and make a cost effective
supercomputer out of it. I dare you.
-TC
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:37:34 GMT
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 18 May 2001
>"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
>>
>> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > > L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
>> > > can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >
>> Explain how this reduces spam. Don't get it.
>
>The email-address collecting software collects the spam-patrol addresses,
>and thus, induces the spammers to send their garbage DIRECTLY to the
>people who put spammers out of business.
Think harder.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EXTRA EXTRA MS ADMITS!!!!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:36:51 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9e2bp0$i1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Not "whacked", just missinformed. Intel doesn't need to wait, it
> already
> > as
> > > > AIX, Solaris and HP-UX on board, so why would they wait for Windows?
> > they
> > > > don't, and if you have kept a close eye on Intel, they have been
> urging
> > > > UNIX vendors to port their OS accross to the Itanium chip. Hence,
> Intel
> > only
> > > > has the strong alliance with Microsoft in the desktop, but not in the
> > server
> > > > space.
> > > >
> > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > >
> > > And , the Linux community has already ported Linux to the Itanium...
> > > they are waiting for Intel to get its act together. MS doesn't have
> > > their O/S ready yet for the Itanium.
> > > Some of the archetectural types don't agree on the way Intel has done
> > > the Itanium.
> > >
> > The mainpoint it this, there are already 3 commercially available OS's for
> > Itanium, and one GPL OS. Microsoft can't even produce one! even with all
> > the money and so-called "R&D" the carry out each year.
>
> Get off it. That's because IA64 support is tied to Whistler, which won't be
> out till october. Not because of the IA64 support, but because that's when
> the OS will be done. They've had the IA64 betas available since beta 1,
> about 6 months ago.
After some considerable reading at HP and other web sites... it appears
that the PA-RISC can execute IA-64 instructions unmodified. HP has had
a large hand in its development with Intel. That's about all I could
find out about it. There will always be development chips available
from Intel in small quantities, but from past experience the properties
may change or come more closely to what Intel wanted all along...
currently the IA-64 has some speed problems with certain programs having
to do with the predictive jump feature... can't remember all of what
I've found on other web sites, but it appears to be its biggest hurdle.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft BACKDOORS AGAIN! MORE CHEATERY!!!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:38:07 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > If it's old news then Charlies right... you've been spreading FUD
> for
> > > > > > quite a while now.
> > > > > > But charlie has already provided you Trolls the correctly dated
> > > articles
> > > > > > ... and you still can't read.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, apparently Yahoo fucked up an reposted an old article as new.
> If
> > > you
> > > > > notice, the article does not appear on the front page.
> > > > >
> > > > > This *IS* the > 1 year old vulnerability, and it wasn't a backdoor,
> > > despite
> > > > > MS originally thinking it was. They later retracted it saying that
> the
> > > > > message was not a password at all, but simply embedded into the code
> > > while a
> > > > > buffer overrun vulnerability did in fact exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo is the *ONLY* news service that has this story, and guess
> what?
> > > It's
> > > > > disappeared. It no longer is on the link. You'd think someone,
> even
> > > the
> > > > > register would have picked this up. But they didn't. In fact, the
> > > register
> > > > > posted a story about how Yahoo fucked up.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18975.html
> > > >
> > > > Then ya better tell that to Sun Microsystems then. They say its a new
> > > > one!
> > >
> > > They do? I can't find the link. Please provide it.
> > >
> > > This is not the double decode bug that was recently discovered.
> > >
> > > Further, how much evidence does it take? Now you won't even believe the
> > > register, the place so many of you Linux advocates love to use as your
> > > source of information.
> >
> > I've read all of the previous links you have provided. It looks to me
> > nothing more the MS spin doctoring.
>
> So now "The Register" is a MS puppet publication? What a riot.
Only what MS told any publication or editor... pure spin doctoring.
Doesn't take a genius to spot it either.
It's MS that is spinning its tales.
--
V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Fischer)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:40:40 GMT
Rich Soyack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >> http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq21.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can I get HIV from having vaginal sex?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, it is possible to become infected with HIV through vaginal
>> >> >> intercourse. In fact, it is the most common way the virus is
>> >> >> transmitted in much of the world. HIV can be found in the
>blood,
>> >> >> semen, pre-seminal fluid, or vaginal fluid of a person infected
>> >> >> with the virus. The lining of the vagina can tear and possibly
>> >> >> allow HIV to enter the body. Direct absorption of HIV through
>> >> >> the mucous membranes that line the vagina also is a possibility.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The male may be at less risk for HIV transmission than the
>female
>> >> >> through vaginal intercourse. However, HIV can enter the body of
>the
>> >> >> male through his urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis)
>or
>> >> >> through small cuts or open sores on the penis.
>> >> >
>> >> >What was left out of this statement was the fact the there would have
>to
>> >> >be vaginal lessions for the AIDS virsus to be effectively transmitted
>to the
>> >> >male in vaginal intercourse.
>> >>
>> >> Indeed? So you too know better than the US CDC and all of those
>> >> medical researchers? A woman needs a vaginal lesion in order
>> >> to lubricate. Another thing I never knew.
>> >
>> >This is what the CDC used to say before political pressure was brought to
>> >bear.
>>
>> Indeed? It's all a part of a political conspiracy!
>>
>> It's fascinating to see all the rationalizations you fools come up
>> with to deny the obvious.
>
>Why is the vaginal transmission rate so low in this country, Ray?
It's no lower than anywhere else. It's just that in this country the
disease got started in the population of homosexual men. In the rest
of the world it's very much a heterosexual disease.
Which you'd know if you bothered reading ANY of the evidence I
provided. But if you think you know better than the US CDC, by all
means ignore them.
--
Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:43:56 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
> > > I usually say: "That's not what they said", actually.
> >
> > You totally disregard direct quotes.
>
> Only sometimes!
>
Bullshit. Eveytime it conflicts with your view.
> [snip]
> > > You are very good at typing "stole". You get
> > > a lot of practice. :D
> >
> > They stole the market place.
>
> Do you, like, do 50 of thoes every morning? :d
>
They stole the market place
> > > But the reason Windows is so successful is because
> > > the apps run on it.
> >
> > Developers write the apps, becasue windows is the dominant OS. ANd m$
> > stole the marketplace to get to their position.
>
> No way. If this were true all the developers would have switched
> to Windows once it was dominant- and they didn't.
>
Statistically they have.
> Game developers as a block stayed with DOS. And
> there are other examples too, though not so stark.
>
> [snip]
> > > > Yeah. They buy what everyone else has.
> > >
> > > ... for good and sensible reasons! :D
> >
> > becasue window$ is the dominant OS. Its what "everyone else" has. And m$
> > stole the marketplace.
>
> You've not given any reason for *anyone* to care
> about that, per se.
>
care about which part. The market place thievery?
> [snip]
> > > > Well genius, why do you think there's not much app development going
> on
> > > > for Commodre 64/128, Apple II, Tandy Color Computer, Atari ST, etc?
> > >
> > > Well, The first 5 machines listed there are 8-bit
> > > computers- first generation PCs, and they really
> > > really really suck hard compared to even the
> > > original IBM PC.
> >
> > Thats crap. When the PC came out it was unfavorably compared with
> > Tandy's CP/M machines... but since no one was ever fired for buying
> > IBM... and the PC was running M$-DO$...
>
> None of the machines you mentioned are CP/M machines.
>
So what? Tandy's Model (whatever) machines were CP/M based, and they
were found to be better than IBM's PC in several reviews. I guess you
think I should now spend several hours searching for reviews because you
are too lazy to actually search for something that might conflict with
your view.
> The PC was better than any CP/M machine; MS-DOS
> was very close to CP/M but a little more user
> friendly (you know COPY instead of PIP, that
> sort of thing). It could take more memory and
> had a 16-bit ALU.
>
Yeah. m$-DO$ was very close to CP/M. Thats why IBM paid Killdal 800,000
dollar so he would sue over the CP/M code in it.
> > > Really. The IBM PC won because it wasn't
> > > just better than its competitors at the time,
> > > it was a *lot* better.
> >
> > BWahahahhahahhaha... ahahahahhahahhah. You're very funny at time.
>
> It *was*. Those old 8-bit machines were
> awful. They could address 64k; the ones
> that had 128k used bank switching, which
> is horrid.
>
It worked very well for me. and others I knew.
> [snip]
> > > You wouldn't buy the apps either if you had
> > > ever used them. Those computers can't support
> > > halfway decent apps.
> >
> > They could support great apps at the time. I was using Appleworks with 1
> > meg of memory when the DOS world thought 640k was all teh memory you
> > needed.
>
> Apple IIs could directly address 48k of RAM, but
> with bank switching could get to more. 64k wasn't
> too bad; after that you were bank switching like
> a maniac. It was very problematic.
>
Dont you mean they could directly address 64k of memory?
> IBM PC's could do the same thing; it was
> called expanded memory, and you could access
> >640k that way.
>
And I was accessing 1 meg while you PeeCee people were giddy over the
possiblity of 640K.
> It's a horrible hack in any computer, but
> even that works better on the IBM PC.
> On the PC your back was 64k in size-
> on an Apple II it was 16k. You could
> work in bigger chunks on the PC, a
> definite plus.
>
The end user didnt see any of that.
> > > Not even as well as DOS did. They made
> > > DOS look really good, actually.
> [snip- problems of the 8-bit PCs]
> >
> > YEah. right. sidestep. Throw up some dust.
>
> No, no, those problems were real. IBM PCs
> were much, much better.
>
> Relatively speaking.
>
> [snip]
> > > > but they ... stuck... with ...micro$oft.
> > >
> > > DOS, not necessarily MS-DOS.
> >
> > M4-DO$
>
> Hmm? M4 DOS?
>
m$-DO$. Sheesh.
> [snip]
> > > Game developers were like other developers-
> > > they switched when switching would allow
> > > them to produce a more competitive product,
> > > and only then.
> >
> > ... a competitive product made by ... micro$oft.
>
> You know, that comment makes it way too obvious
> that you didn't actually bother to read the paragraph
> you were responding to.
Does it? I dont think so.
--
Rick
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 02:09:55 +0200
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (107/107)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>> >>
>> >> Can I get HIV from having vaginal sex?
>> >>
>> >> Yes, it is possible to become infected with HIV through vaginal
>> >> intercourse. In fact, it is the most common way the virus is
>> >> transmitted in much of the world. HIV can be found in the blood,
>> >> semen, pre-seminal fluid, or vaginal fluid of a person infected
>> >> with the virus. The lining of the vagina can tear and possibly
>> >> allow HIV to enter the body. Direct absorption of HIV through
>> >> the mucous membranes that line the vagina also is a possibility.
>> >>
>> >> The male may be at less risk for HIV transmission than the female
>> >> through vaginal intercourse. However, HIV can enter the body of the
>> >> male through his urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or
>> >> through small cuts or open sores on the penis.
>> >
>> >What was left out of this statement was the fact the there would have to
>> >be vaginal lessions for the AIDS virsus to be effectively transmitted to the
>> >male in vaginal intercourse.
>>
>> Indeed? So you too know better than the US CDC and all of those
>> medical researchers? A woman needs a vaginal lesion in order
>> to lubricate. Another thing I never knew.
>
>Spot the heterophobe
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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