Linux-Advocacy Digest #611, Volume #34 Fri, 18 May 01 22:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("jet")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("jet")
Re: EXTRA EXTRA MS ADMITS!!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Rant: Report from the newbie front (Michael Vester)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Solaris 8 vs 7/2.x.... (Philip Brown)
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From: "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:07:35 -0700
The Danimal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> jet wrote:
> >
> > The Danimal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > jet wrote:
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > jet wrote:
> > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > You guys STILL have yet to demonstrate that homosexuality is
> > > > > > > anything OTHER than defective behavior.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Defective in what way?
> > > > >
> > > > > nonproductive
> > > >
> > > > We've got 6 billion people. Doesn't seem like much of a defect.
> > >
> > > By your laughably ignorant measure nothing is a defect: suicide,
> > > drug addiction, mass murder, self-mutilation, cannibalism,
> > > infanticide, child abuse, etc. After all, """we"""'ve got 6 billion
> > > people. (And who exactly is "we"? Can I exchange """my""" 6 billion
> > > people for something else?)
> >
> > Sigh. I asked him *how* it was a defect. He said *nonproductive*. I
assume
> > he was referring to reproduction of the species.
>
> Why? Clearly Aaron refers to reproduction of the INDIVIDUAL. Aaron
> did not say nor did he even imply that homosexuals threaten his
> reproductive prospects nor the survival of the entire species.
Then using birth control is "defective" behavior as well.
> You could easily have asked Aaron whether your assumption is correct.
> Yet you chose not to. Why? Do you normally invent facts about other
> people and assume they are true? Of course I know the answer to that
> is "Yes." Sloppy thinking is your trademark.
Oh, sweet irony.
>
> > Homosexuality doesn't seem to be much of a defect when it comes to that.
>
> Neither does genocide. This is why your "good of the species"
> viewpoint is worthless.
What "good of the species" viewpoint? It's funny that you are doing exactly
what you accuse me of doing!
>The only "defective" behavior from that
> point of view would be something that could exterminate an
> entire species. For example, failing to fund asteroid-tracking
> research.
>
> In contrast, the individual lives the individual's life. The good
> of the species as a whole is largely irrelevant to the individual.
>
> > > Biologists largely abandoned the "good of the species"
> > > notion somewhere around the middle of the last century, replacing
> > > it with the notion of diverse individuals within a species competing
> > > for resources and reproductive opportunities, leading to a
distribution
> > > of winners and losers that over the long term drives evolutionary
> > > change. Jet, you might want to get up to date with "The Selfish Gene"
> > > by Richard Dawkins. That is if you'd like to come off as being
somewhat
> > > smarter than Aaron.
> >
> > <sarcasm> How smart I appear in your eyes is really important to me.
>
> Your efforts to debate me indicate otherwise. I think you'd like
> nothing better than to demonstrate your intellectual superiority
> and make sure I recognized it.
Feel free to think what you like. You've had a hard on for me every since I
dared to question your SMV theory. You sound like a fundie.
>
> > So important, I'm going to rush out right now and get that book.
</sarcasm>
>
> You've already paid taxes for the privilege of borrowing it
> from the library for free.
>
Yeah, well I'm on my way!
> > > Jet, do you consider Aaron's rudeness to be defective behavior?
> >
> > No.
>
> Your denial contradicts your frequent claim that Aaron's rudeness
> makes him worthless to all women.
That is your definition of "defective". Not the same as Aaron's.
> Are you now going to lapse into a typically Jetlike wordgame where
> "defective" loses all meaning?
>
> How do you define "defective"?
Depends on the situation. Something that might be considered a defect on a
collectable might not be on something being used for a practical purpose.
>
> > > If so, why? The answer, of course, is that you don't like it.
> > > A rude person offends many other people, probably a majority of
> > > other people, and is therefore socially maladapted---i.e., defective.
> >
> > You're just playing word games. Aaron was, I believe, specifically
talking
> > about defective with regards to reproduction of the species.
>
> Why did you believe this? Not even Aaron would say something
> that ridiculous. How will a minority's reproductive suicide
> threaten the survival of the majority?
>
> > Not his personal tastes.
>
> > > Most people, on some level, find homosexual behavior at least as
> > > offensive as rudeness. That is to say, they don't like it. It's not
> > > the sort of behavior they desire in the people closest to them:
> > > their family.
> >
> > Guess I'm not "most people", then.
>
> On the contrary. Most people know better than to express their
> disgust for gay sex.
As I have no disgust for gay sex, I'm not "most people". Get it now?
> Incidentally, have you ever told a gay joke about a straight man?
Maybe, maybe not. I don't remember every joke I've ever told. But let's just
say I tell one every day. So what?
>
> > > This is most obvious when they have a child who turns
> > > out to be a homosexual. A gay child who comes out usually causes the
> > > heterosexual parent to experience moderate to severe distress.
> > > A parent might be able to come to terms with that, but it's
> > > usually a process of overcoming a huge disappointment. The parent,
> > > of course, instinctively understands the threat to his or her
> > > long-term genetic survival resulting from any severe reproductive
> > > defects in his or her child. That is the source of the emotional
> > > distress.
> >
> > If this concern of "long term genetic survival" is so strong, why do so
many
> > people choose not to have kids?
>
> Define "so many." Even in advanced countries where contraception is
> common, >90% of women reproduce.
10%
> The strength of a person's concern for long-term genetic survival
> is evident in his/her desire to enjoy heterosexual sex.
No, that's just his/her desire to enjoy het sex. If eating broccoli was what
caused women to become pregnant, I bet there would be a lot fewer accidental
pregnancies!
If you knew
> even the first thing about evolutionary psychology you would
> understand that our desires are adapted to the ancestral
> environment in which effective contraception was not available.
>
> If current conditions continue for a long enough time, eventually
> humans will evolve resistance to voluntary contraception, just as
> we would evolve resistance to any other biocide. Already we can
> observe higher fertility among people who don't want to use
> contraceptives. If that unwillingness has anything to do with
> their genes then selection is occurring.
>
> > > Jet, if during your few remaining years of fertility you bore a
> > > son would you want him to grow up to feel intense and exclusive
> > > urges to bugger other men? Or would you feel better if he grew
> > > up to be normal?
> >
> > It would be a non issue.
>
> For most people it would be an issue. From what I understand this goes
> double for the African-American community.
>
> For a black man, being gay is likely to be a serious social liability
> in the communities where he is likely to live. Because, oddly enough,
> it seems Aaron's point of view is even more common among black men
> than it is in Aaron's neighborhood. Liability = defect.
>
> You don't seem to understand that what is a "defect" is environmentally
> determined. Humans would be defective if we had to live in the same
> environment as penguins. Given the massive prejudice against gay
> people, being gay is a defect. It may be possible to change that
> through sufficiently massive propaganda efforts but so far nobody
> has managed to do that, particularly in poorer and less educated
> communities. At the moment, the only two effective strategies for
> gay people to minimize their defect are:
>
> a. Stay in the closet
> b. Move to a gay community or a gay-tolerant community where
> being gay is not a defect*
>
> Straight people have more options.
>
> *Of course in the reproductive sense being gay is still as much of
> a defect as using reliable lifelong contraception is for a heterosexual.
> I'm talking about escaping the social liabilities.
>
> What do you suppose high school is like for most gay kids?
>
> > > > Is masturbation defective behavior?
> > >
> > > You tell us what you think it is:
> > >
> > > a. If you knew a man masturbated from time to time,
> > > would you automatically rule him out as a relationship
> > > prospect for that reason?
> >
> > No.
>
> Your view is normal for most women.
>
> > > b. If you knew a man buggered other men from time to time,
> > > would you automatically rule him out as a relationship
> > > prospect for that reason?
> >
> > No.
>
> Most women would disagree with you.
>
> -- the Danimal
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From: "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:08:26 -0700
Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 18 May 2001 15:46:45 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> >Is sterility a defect
> >a) no
> >B) YES
>
> It depends. On you, I'd say it would be pretty much a feature.
Beautiful.
J
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EXTRA EXTRA MS ADMITS!!!!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:10:09 -0500
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <lTWM6.1272$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > The HP-9000 isn't running on a risc based processor bone head.
> >> >
> >> > I the HP-9000 is running on the 64 bit version of the Intel
> >> > chip. That isn't a risc based processor.
> >> >
> >> > EPIC is not RISC you fucking meathead and HP isn't using
> >> > any motorola chips either.
> >> >
> >> > It is the commercial version of the Itanium and it's been
> >> > in use for 1.5 years now.
> >> >
> >> > There is no model of HP-9000 which runs on a non-intel
> >> > chip.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks blockheads for playing!
> >> >
> >> > If you were real computer professionals you would know this.
> >> >
> >> > Intel won't release a chip into the market until MS says
> >> > it's time to go.
> >> >
> >> > http://isearch.intel.com/scripts-search/search.asp?
> >> > isoCode=en&q1=risc&SearchCrit=ALL
> >> > &category=ALL&mh=25&MimeType=ALL
> >> >
> >> > They call it the IA-64!
> >> >
> >> > And I'd like to say the both of you are something worse
> >> > than mis-informed. You have your fucking heads up
> >> > your ass.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Charlie
> >> > -------
> >>
> >> CALM DOWN CHARLIE! shit, I was only guessing.
> >
> >And he's still wrong. The HP-9000 is still running under PA-RISC, not
IA64.
> >
>
>
> Yeah, Intel doesn't make a RISC processor. They think RISC stinks.
>
> Nice try EF. Thanks for playing.
Intel makes several RISC processors. Never heard of the i860 and i960?
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rant: Report from the newbie front
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:36:00 -0700
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Michael Vester wrote:
> >
> > ecnal nillaf wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello linvocates! (hello winvocates too)
> > >
> > > First I have to say, I am not that technical and I am *not* in the
> > > computer trades fields at all.
> > >
> > > I'm just a security guard (you know us, underachievers inc. )
> > >
> > I have done my share of security guarding too. It can be very difficult
> > and demanding. I used the long hours at quiet sites to advance my
> > education. Computers were still million dollar machines in air-conditioned
> > rooms back then. A good friend of mine is a security guard. He has a lap
> > top which he uses at quiet sites. He is very intelligent and is a pretty
> > decent coder, too.
> >
> > > anyway ... I got my first computer in 1995 ... just something to play
> > > with. Win95 was installed, I didn't know about any other OS (except I had
> > > previously heard of IBM and MAC)
> > >
> > > Anyway ... admittedly ... win95 was GREAT! (initially) it looked good,
> > > it was fairly easy to learn how to get around with all the gui menus and
> > > whatnot.
> > >
> > Typical and normal newbie reaction. I was once a user of losedos too. I
> > thought it was pretty.
> >
> > > Fortunately I have a younger brother (I'm 37) who is a network security
> > > specialist working for a prominent company that has programs for both
> > > windows and linux. Anyway ... My brother is fairly knowledgeable in more
> > > than just the network security aspect.
> > >
> > It helps to have a technical family member. I am the families tech
> > support. My father, 65 years old, is now a happy Linux user. He was badly
> > burned by virii. He used to run a losedos 95 system. His Linux system is
> > completely invunerable to virii. I can effortlessly support him via ssh.
> >
> > > cutting to the chase ....
> > >
> > > anyway ... it has been a great joy (and many frustrations) plunking away
> > > with both windows and linux (and a little in dos) I still feel that I
> > > don't know anything ... but I guess I'm a little above the average user?
> > > Maybe I'm what they call a power user? Who knows? Who is john Galt?
> > > hehehe anyway ...
> > >
> > You are doing great. You have an interest in how things work. I have been
> > working in the IT field for 14 years and I feel like I don't know
> > anything. I think as long as you feel that way, you will survive and do
> > well.
> >
> > > I bounced back in forth with linux and windows about 2 years ago ... I
> > > have a dual boot system with win98 on the other hard drive ... but ... I
> > > rarely use windows, I can't tell you totally why I rarely use windows
> > > anymore and I can't tell you why i still keep win98 on any hard drive?
> > >
> > > That's what i'm trying to say ... there are uses for both ... As far as
> > > the evilness of MS-Windows ... well ... did those larger companies have
> > > to agree to play by Gates' rules? Was billy boy the only game in town?
> > > He either had a product that they wanted ... or he did not
> > > ... and they agreed to those terms (which terms I thought sucked ... but
> > > who am I?). I'm not going to get into this game about who is more evil
> > > and the roots of windows and linux. Let the superior product succede the
> > > most!
> > >
> > The story of Bill Gates rise to world domination is a fascinating one. It
> > has been mentioned on this news group that Bill and Al Capone share many
> > values. I tend to agree. Microsoft did not get so big by just selling
> > crappy software.
> >
> > > For me ... Linux is that superior product. I can only give a few reasons
> > > why (for now) but most of it (after the learning curve) is based on feel
> > > (don't tell my fellow objectivists that I said that!).
> > >
> > You demonstrate remarkable insight.
> >
> > > Reasons linux is better for me (just an "at home" user)....
> > >
> > > 1. I learn a lot more about the nuts and bolts of the system .. the hood
> > > isn't welded shut as it is in ms-windows (and mac and amiga???? etc etc?)
> > >
> > Never call yourself "just a security guard" You have demonstrated more
> > technical savvy than many so called IT professionals. You are more than
> > just a job title.
> >
> > > 2. Things run smoother (for the most part, most of the time... no OS is
> > > without blemish, NO OS at all! )
> > >
> > An inevitable observation.
> >
> > > 3. I live in screwed up New Mexico (Albuquerque) where we grow
> > > micro-chips in our backyard (INTEL at Rio Rancho) but have shitty phone
> > > lines, ("dial-up only" for most areas) and the cable company hasn't
> > > finished installing everything necessary to get my greatly desired cable
> > > modem access yet! aaarrrrggghhh! so ... point is ... do you want to
> > > d-load windos bloatware? I'll take the .tar files anytime over that (at
> > > least with this slow ass dial-up here)
> > >
> > I am spoiled living in the most online city in the world, Edmonton. Thats
> > in Canada, eh. I have been connected through a cable modem for the last 4
> > years. If cable is not your thing, ADSL is offered by 4 different
> > companies. There is a wireless service available at about 2.5 megabits per
> > second. Dial-up is a dying beast around here.
> >
> > > 4. I don't really play "Quake" or anything like that ... I use my
> > > computer for learning more about the OS and also for chatting, e-mailing,
> > > viewing pics, browsing, and when I do play any games I like xlincity and
> > > that penguin solitaire game ... and maybe xfrisk ... and that's about it,
> >
> > I have a Nintendo 64 for games.
> >
> > > I really don't have time in my busy (under-achiever) life to mess with
> > > games ... use windos for that untill linux gets better and easier for the
> > > neophyte. I am planning to take some unix courses at the local community
> > > college soon, I would like to get certification in any distro of linux or
> > > unix ... but I have a lot more to learn.
> > >
> > You are not an under-achiever. You have accomplished a great deal and just
> > keep doing what you are doing. It takes time. I have been using Linux for
> > 2 years and I have been working as a web application developer for 6
> > months on a Solaris. I still have much to learn. Just remember in the
> > Unix/Linux world, everything you learn will be valid years later. In the
> > losedos world, everything you learn has to be relearned every time
> > Microsoft releases yet another losedos. I moved into a Solaris environment
> > with ease, just from what I learned running my own Linux servers.
> >
> > > 5. oh yeah ... whenever things might lock up in linux ... (and they
> > > rarely do for me) I can hit ctrl+alt+backspace and I don't lose my
> > > connection! and I still have a command line to work with! That beats
> > > win98 all to hell and back (as far as I am concerned) just that point
> > > right there is worth the switch.
> > >
> > The X-server crashed. Linux still keeps ticking. I have managed to crash
> > Linux once. I took a zip disk out of the drive without umounting it. My
> > mistake. Otherwise, it runs for months. Only our flakey power grid brings
> > it down. Just added a much larger UPS, anticipating many blackouts this
> > summer. Currently, one of my Linux boxes has an uptime of 145 days. Not
> > bad for a 10 year old 486.
> >
> > > 6. SuSe and RedHat are geared for the GUI lovers and newbies :) try it
> > > ... stick with it ... you'll like it! especially if you have a lower end
> > > system! (I have a P-II 400 ) (just got this recently ... I moved up from
> > > my used p-120 that I bought for $300) (I'm a guard, I'm poor, I make do)
> > >
> > You have a decent system for Linux.
> >
> > > I could think of many more reasons ... but hell ... the point is ... if
> > > you love windos ... and can't deal with anything else ... fine ... use
> > > what works for you. I won't hate you, just don't think you are superior
> > > or I'll smash you! :p
> > >
> > Those losedos advocates often sound like they are superior. Their
> > enthusiasm seems to be evaporating with the looming release of losedos XP
> > (eXtra Profits by forcing software rental on unsuspecting users). Or .NOT
> > your applications over the net. Not only will you be inconvienienced by
> > buggy software but now network problems will add to the uncertainty.
> > Imagine not being able to run month end because a router two thousand
> > miles away has failed.
> >
> > > I am happy I pulled all my hair out and learned a few things about linux,
> > > hehehe I'm staying with Linux untill the next thing better OS comes out
> > > (FreeBSD? whew ... not for me ... not yet anyway ... sounds like it would
> > > be fun to get to know though)
> > >
> > No pain, no gain. Losedos advocates want everything to be spoon fed to
> > them. Their concept of a great operating system is one that gives you
> > little choice so they don't have to think. Thinking and advocating losedos
> > are mutually exclusive.
> >
> > > BTW ... I'm using RedHat 7.0 with gnome and sawfish (I sometimes use
> > > iceWM).
> > >
> > > the other gripe I have: Distro and Desktop wars ... sheesh ... use what
> > > you can deal with and what you like ... linux needs a united front ... who
> > > cares what distro and what desktop ... use what you like!!
> > >
> > You make a very valid point. The LSB (Linux Standard Base) is an attempt
> > to bring order.
> >
> > > Okay ... I'm done ranting ... I feel better now.
> > >
> > > Hasta La Pasta amigos!
> > >
> > > Lance from sunny and under-connected New Mexico
> >
> > You posted a great Linux advocacy posting. The best one I have seen in
> > quite a while. Keep on posting.
> >
> > I take too many shots at losedos to be a good advocate. It is a difficult
> > habit to break. I have seen too many losedos failures. But at least I am
> > credible with a real name and a real email address. Most losedos
> > advocates are anonymous. Obviously, they don't really believe in what they
> > are advocating. It almost seems that they are ashamed. They are probably
> > individuals that like to just troll and/or argue without any interest in
> > what they are arguing about.
> >
> > --
> > Michael Vester
> > A credible Linux advocate
> >
> > "The avalanche has started, it is
> > too late for the pebbles to vote"
> > Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
>
> How are things in Edmonton anyway?? I used to have a childhood friend
> that lived here and was later sent to live in Edmonton. Unfortunately,
> he was sent to a school that (christian) made him harvest potatoes in
> the summer... his parents went to the carrabean area to do their
> thing... sad! But my father had a Hallicrafter radio and listened to
> the Edmonton station a lot... he too was a potatoe harvester as a
> child! Strange coincidences!
>
> --
> V
Edmonton is quite dry right now. We have not had any rain or snow for
almost 6 months. Edmonton is in the heart of bible belt. I recently
applied for an IT manager for a Christian college. They probably rolled
some chicken bones over my resume and determined that I was not a true
believer. No response, but I am hardly surprised. This college has been
through the legal system because they fired a professor because he was
gay.
I realized at a very young age (like 5) that all religions are incorrect.
I especially don't go for the omnipotent being generating souls, running
them through the laboratory maze of of life and then determining a
positive or negative everlasting existence. Standard Christian dogma. If
that is what it is all about, whats the point? Seems like quite a bother
to create the universe just to run us through a maze.
I am just a simple agnostic living amongst a whole bunch of Christians.
All I ask for is hard physical evidence. Right now, proof of the existence
of UFO's is much stronger than the proof that Jesus Christ existed. A
tiny bit (smudged photo's, unreliable eye witness accounts, shaky videos)
is much more than none. Pretty pathetic omnipotent being if he/she/it
can't muster up any evidence to convince me. I could go on and on, and I
have on alt.atheism.moderated.
What radio station does your father listen too? There are still over a
dozen operating. Probably CKUA, an eclectic station that was once owned
and operated by our provincial government. About 8 years ago, our
government decided to get out things governments should not be in like
radio stations. This little radio station is still alive, making its way
on donations much like your PBS.
I can't see a Christian school doing very well by growing potatoes. The
climate and soil are not ideal for potatoes. Anyways, I thought all that
was done by machines. My farmer uncle's hardest activity is climbing up
the ladder to get into his air-condtioned tractor. I guess some
Christians believe the more you suffer in life, the greater the reward
after you die.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 01:17:54 GMT
On Fri, 18 May 2001 18:31:39 -0400, worlok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>
>> xmms has a .wav generating plugin that'll convert an entire directory of
>> mp3 into wavs in one operation.
>>
>Yes, but when I was mentioning EZ CD creator I meant that it can, in one
>operation, take mp3's, drag them to the CD layout in audio view, and they
>become audio tracks, and you just burn the CD. It's beautiful. I wish
>that it was available for Linux. Maybe Xcdroast will get there
>someday......
It's still less operations with linux.
rip
convert
burn
three commands. three stupid 3-4 line scripts. You don't have to select a
directory by going back 5 levels to get out of the fucking stupid adaptec
default directory. the only the the adaptec software might be easier is if
merging several CDs.
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 18 May 2001 20:19:05 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > matt - you are late to the tread and missed the point.
> > however, gee, you have to ask - got 24 heat producing devices with no
> > cooling and when you come back it's warm? Gosh ! How could THAT happen!?
> > That does not address the difference between how warm it is when there
are 8
> > processors versus 12 processors in a single box.
> >
> > then again, visit any colocation center, examine their cooling capacity.
> > their cooling costs are in 5 digits a month - do you really think a few
> > bucks more anyone would notice?
>
> Is that between the ever increasing black outs that are occuring in
California?
If the hippie anti-nuke paranoids in CA would have permitted the
construction of nuclear power plants as was often proposed but never
permitted they wouldn't have the problem they themselves created. Nothing to
do with cooling...
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: 18 May 2001 20:20:06 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 15 May 2001 22:46:04
> >"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...]
> >> I use SuSE, hence, no security issues for me then
> >
> >Excuse me? Are you claiming SuSE has never had ANY security issues of any
> >kind? Ever?
>
> Category error, reading comprehension problem, or purposeful stupidity?
>
> Votes please.
Are you that devoid of reading ability? He claims that by using SuSE he has
no security issues. I'm questioning that.
Figure it out...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To:
alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris,staroffice.com.support.install.solaris,comp.unix.advocacy,alt.os.unix,alt.unix
Subject: Re: Solaris 8 vs 7/2.x....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 01:20:32 GMT
On Fri, 18 May 2001 09:30:12 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> However, compilation is primarily CPU-bound, and MOST of the I/O will
>> be local (rereading the local system headers in /usr/include)
>
>/usr (and even /usr/local) are not necessarily local. In the machines in
>my department, the /usr partitions are remote, IIRC.
Presumably, you're trying to run a bunch of sun4c's with 200meg disk
drives? :-)
otherwise, with any reasonable developer desktop equipment made
in the last 5 years, there's no excuse not to have /usr be local.
/usr/local (ironically) is a different story.
Note: a SunRay, etc. is NOT a REASONABLE DEVEOPER DESKTOP!
It's stupid to pay $50,000-$100,000 for a server, plus $15,000-$25,000 for
useless "lite" desktops, to support 25 developers,
when you could pay $50,000 for desktops, plus $10,000 on a small server,
to support 50 developers.
Assuming that your developers are intelligent enough to learn "smart" ways
of developing.
EG: using CVS or workspace manager to check out "local" copies of code.
Then using cachefs where appropriate.
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