Linux-Advocacy Digest #847, Volume #34 Tue, 29 May 01 20:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Opera
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! (Michael Marion)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (David Fox)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the (Michael
Marion)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (David Fox)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? (Steve
Lamb)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Morten Bjoernsvik)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the (Michael
Marion)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Chad
Everett)
Compilers Anyone? Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! ("2 + 2")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Michael Marion)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Chad
Myers")
Re: Time to bitc__ again (Pete Barnwell)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Chad
Myers")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:18:22 GMT
On Tue, 29 May 2001 21:36:08 GMT, flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:24 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Name a better browser than Opera.
>
>IE 5.0...
>
>I don't like MS nor it's tactics any more than any other semi sane
>person but they make the best browser no contest.
I'd rather publish my root password than run such a security risk.
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:18:59 GMT
Jan Johanson wrote:
> Wrong again.
> Windows 2000 and XP both run on the Itanium already.
> The DAY the Itanium is officially released you will be able to get a copy of
> W2K or XP that will run on it.
So? There have been iso's for IA64 distributions of Linux (I've seen
Mandrake's on servers myself) available for awhile already.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
What goes up, must come down. Ask any system administrator.
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:22:20 GMT
"Dan Pidcock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 29 May 2001 11:29:13 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Burkhard Wölfel wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > Name another *market* where a single *brand* is known to the common
> >> > consumer. ONLY a single brand, and most people have never even heard
of
> >> > any alternative
> >>
> >> Polaroid
> >
> >Kodak <grin>.
>
> I didn't know Kodak made instant cameras/film.
>
I do believe they tried in the past but Polaroid's patients got in the way.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 29 May 2001 16:28:08 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Hedley) writes:
> According to unicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > SGI is hardly a market leader, but their realization of the detrimetnal
> > effect of supporting windows
>
> Just to focus on this one point, it is apparent that the various
> "collaborations" with Microsoft are almost inevtiably extremely
> detrimental to the partner company. The fallout between MS and IBM
> is the stuff of which legends are made, and years later, whilst at
> DEC, although the MS alliance most likely wasn't instrumental in
> DEC's downfall, I thought that it was certainly a nail in the
> coffin, something I also observed in various other companies which
> had dealings with MS.
I can vouch for the damage that SGI's association with Microsoft has
done to them. I have a relative who works for Lucasfilm, and the
whole episode was a huge headache.
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:35:28 GMT
Jan Johanson wrote:
> TS lets you have a complete desktop to command. It's essentially like
> sitting at the console. There is no limit to what you can do (except play
> DirectX games).
Use apps like exceed... allow users to install anything (I can install
anything I want into my homedir on a unix box). TS servers don't work at all
for compute servers as windows doesn't handle multiple users doing large
compiles at all well compared to how unix boxes handle it.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
If at first you don't succeed, you must be using Windows.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 29 May 2001 16:31:07 -0700
Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Microsoft is far from being dead because of its huge portfolio of
> cash and investments. Even if they made no revenue, they could
> survive on cash and investments for a while.
I would enjoy seeing them try this.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:34:27 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 29 May 2001 06:52:11 GMT, wade blazingame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Signing up for mailing lists is a hassle. Getting off some of them can be
>a freakin nightmare.
Must be new to lists then, aren't you. Far easier to subscribe to a list
than to create a new news connection.
>Your in-box is stuffed with every message whether you're interested in the
>subject or not.
Filtering.
>Threading is almost never supported as well in mail clients as it is in news
>readers.
Mutt threads quite nicely.
>If the mailing lists are archived at all, they're archived using terrible
>HTML interfaces that are illogically presented, painful to use and
>inflexible.
As opposed to news where, after it expires off the news server the only
option is generally Deja which is archived using a terrible HTML interface
that is illogically presented, painful to use and inflexible.
>This really discourages participation and strengthens the misperception
>that OSS packages are difficult and unapproachable.
Only for people who want to be spoonfed
>Why must it be this way? Can someone explain this to me?
Try using the fork.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: Morten Bjoernsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:39:15 GMT
unicat wrote:
:
> SGI is hardly a market leader, but their realization of the detrimetnal
> effect of supporting windows simply reinforces the mass move away from
> Microsoft being carried out more surreptitiously by the larger
> manufacturers.
:
(that point needs some clarification, sorry if a bit on the side :-))
At that time "Rocket" Rick Belluzzo was the CEO of SGI, effectively
canning
project like the O2 follow up, cutting MIPS high end CPU development
like Beast and Alien. Things that made very bad impact on SGI irix-line.
SGI320 and 540 was too specialized to really succeed. SGI had to
invest heavily into driver development and maintenance to get WinNT
and then win2000 to work well. costs not justified in the mainstream
ia-32 market. Excellent machines but a bit too pricey.
But back to Rocket Rick:
He got a lot of whiz around the farenheit agreement, which actually
meant
SGI giving up all its intellectual property in hardware graphics to get
a uniform openGL api. DirectX started as a rip off of openGL. and like
everything M$ puts their hands on they introduce incompatibilities and
propiretary functionality.
Rocket Rick also spread FUD about commitment to irix and abandoning the
high
end graphics in a speech to shareholders on 10august1999.
But then finally the board of directors fired him.
That was an effective end to Windows/M$ at SGI.
And now that man is President and COO of Microsoft! It's a small world.
--
MortenB
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:47:18 GMT
Jon Johansan wrote:
> Look - SSH is, essentially, an encrypted Telnet. yes yes it can do some
It's far more then that. I can do things like create an encrypted (and
compressed) vpn tunnel where one normally isn't availble by creating an ssh
connection between two machines and running ppp through that tunnel. I do
this quite often and it works well.
> Again, why SSH on Windows when TS is available. Let me answer for you: so
I see that you've now narrowed the statement to ssh "on windows" when the
discussion started as ssh vs TS overall.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
"But these are not inherent flaws in the operating system - they don't
happen by accident." - Mike Nash, "Director of Microsoft's Infrastructure
Systems" explaining why NT has so many patches to fix crashes caused by
malicious net users.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 29 May 2001 18:04:18 -0500
On 29 May 2001 16:21:04 -0500, Jon Johansan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>p.s., there are several free SSH servers available for Windows NT and W2K/XP
>by the way. In case you just can't live without the CLI.
>
But ssh on linux and other unix systems allows me to have a remote
GUI interface, encrypted, across the network. I can run every GUI
application on the remote machine exactly as I can if I was sitting
at the machine itself. I can do this cross platform so I can
run remote solaris or Irix GUI apps and environments on my linux
box, and visa-versa. All for free, no extra cost.
Windows will not let me do this. period. Oh yeah, you'll start
yapping about terminal services again, but it only works with
Windows. If you want remote access to your GUI windows
interface at a non-Windows machine: sorry. Now you'll start
yapping about Citrix and such. But that is expensive and requires
very expensvive WIndows server software at the other end. Not
a real pleasant soluttion, now is it?
I can run remote GUI apps all day long with linux with free
out-of-the-box software. Windows just can't compete.
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Compilers Anyone? Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:53:12 -0400
cjt & trefoil wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I'm not so sure. The VLIW parallelism is at the instruction level, isn't
it?
>Won't there be a lot of stalls?
That's the big question. There's been a lot of work done with compilers. Yet
there is hardly any conceptual material on EPIC/MAJC generation compilers
like there is on chips.
With chips there is a conceptual tradition. Of course, you never see how the
result falls out from data being run through a series of logical elements
constructed of transistors. Ultimately it's all a bunch of math functions
laid down in silicon, or the the case of the compiler, in software in the C
language. Intel/HP has rebuilt the IA64 chip, down to the bare logic. See
"Ia-64 and Elementary Functions : Speed and Precision"
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130183482/ref=sim_books/102-5727256-
0628161
The whole software execution engine layer (Java VM+ and .NET CLR) also adds
to the mix. Also components useful for third party composition require a
knowledge of all dependencies. Captured in the metadata, info on these
dependencies can be used by the CLR to dynamically predicate the branches
for smooth parallel processing.
This is the .NET micro runtime. Now look at the macro runtime--COM+
COM+ uses messenging approaches and various kinds of pooling. Since this is
the model for .NET web services, then this interception container model
being hit on by clients worldwide with a lot of repetitive requests, may add
"code" subject to parallel execution.
COM+'s DTC, instead of transmiting to "shared nothing" clusters, could
partially be hitting on IA64 "n" execution slots.
The term VLIW appears to be used in various ways. Sometimes MAJC is
described as VLIW-like. Intel's EPIC is actually a better word, and I call
it the EPIC generation. Intel is said to have chosen EPIC because of the
failure of an earlier generation of VLIW chips. Or you could say the MAJC
generation if you are a Java freak.
2 + 2
>
>2 + 2 wrote:
>>
>> All of these heavily parallel VLIW chips will be adept at video.
>>
>> MAJC is geared in particular to exploit heavily parallel processing at
the
>> thread level and, your favorite buzzwork, multiprocessing level as well
as
>> instruction level.
>>
>> 64 bit is not where the tech challenge lies.
>>
>> 2 + 2
>>
>> J Perrimato Fectuzo wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >MAJC is primarily intended for video processing. this is the big flaw
in
>> >your argument. you're pitting itanium against MAJC instead of against
>> >SPARC! SPARC is in its third generation as a 64-bit and all of the
sudden
>> >intel is going to destroy sun on it's FIRST TRY?!?! I DON'T THINK SO!!!
>> >solaris has also been 64-bit for a very long try and not only is
microsoft
>> >going to implement 64-bit NT for the first time, it's going to do so
under
>> a
>> >COMPLETELY NEW SOFTWARE ARCHITECTURE AND STILL "DEFEAT" SUN (ignoring
that
>> >they have to get through ibm and hp for the moment)?!?!?
>> >
>> >PLEASE!
>> >
>> >this is no threat to sun for another 5-10 years and by then sun will be
>> >using 128-bit architecture. intel better buy MIPS or ARM now!
>> >
>> >p.s. i am an intel shareholder as well as sun!
>> >
>> >--
>> >
>> >J Perry Fecteau
>> >Voted Number One Man on the Internet
>> >http://perry.fecteau.com/
>> >
>> >"2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:9etjat$tel$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> The Itanium has VLIW instructions (don't confuse the size of these
with
>> >> Itanium's 64 bit data type environment--64 bit is of much significance
>> >> itself but not the real story here).
>> >>
>> >> For backward capatibility in the Intel world only, the IA64 chips
include
>> >a
>> >> IA32 chip on board as well. So, yes, Linux and Windows and any Unix
>> >> implementation geared to the x86 line could run on it, but no one
would
>> do
>> >> that, since the IA32 onboard chip is not state of art.
>> >>
>> >> The Itanium is basically a "proof of concept" chip. That's why I call
>> >> Windows XP Workstation/Server eXPimental. But all of this first
>> generation
>> >> of VLIW is basically an experiement to see how it plays out in the
real
>> >> world.
>> >>
>> >> Sun is not supporting Itanium at all, and have their own rough
>> equivalent,
>> >> called MAJC for "Microprocessor Architecture for Java Computing." All
of
>> >> these VLIW chips go beyond RISC/CISC which is a term of little
relevance
>> >in
>> >> a world of OOO, long pipelines, branch prediction, etc.
>> >>
>> >> In particular, the VLIW compilers are very demanding. The chip itself
is
>> >not
>> >> the real challenge, since the whole point is taking much functionality
>> out
>> >> of silicon and doing it in software, so the high transistor counts can
>> >CRANK
>> >> IT UP for big scientific, database, multimedia and other high demand
>> uses.
>> >>
>> >> The whole point is that the next IA64 chip could have 8 parallel
>> execution
>> >> slots instead of 4. This depends on compilers feeding the beast by, in
>> >> effect, making parallel code and overcoming bottlenecks such as
loading.
>> >>
>> >> Specialized execution engines, such as .NET and Java, have the
advantage
>> >> with JIT compilers that can benefit from code that has already been
>> >massaged
>> >> down to an intermediate stage such as bytecode or IL.
>> >>
>> >> 2 + 2
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote in message
>> <9esfpd$6m9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >> >Let me see, I can either choose AIX-5L, HP-UX, Solaris, Linux 2.4 or
>> >> Windows 64bit, which is unproven. Most people know which one's
>> >> >I will consider in a large Itanium server roll out. A clue for the
>> >> clueless, it ain't Windows.
>> >> >
>> >> >Just because SUN and IBM don't advertise on the end luser magazines
like
>> >> .net or PCWorld, doesn't mean they no product's. I guess
>> >> >your ignorance is due to too much exposure around Windows.
>> >> >
>> >> >Matthew Gardiner
>> >> >--
>> >> >I am the blue screen of death
>> >> >Nobody can hear your screams
>> >> >----
>> >> >I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
>> >> >go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
>> >> >"rgs50" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:4whQ6.105$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> Yes, Sun and IBM have VLSI chips but they do not have Microsoft in
>> >back
>> >> of
>> >> >> them producing a KILLER OS ( Windows 2000 TWO or whistler or Win
NT
>> >> 64 ).
>> >> >> There are also over 300 applications already ported to the Itanium
>> with
>> >> over
>> >> >> 4,000 ( four thousand ) in the process of being ported to Itanium.
>> >Also
>> >> >> when the 386 was introduced it hit the market like a brick hitting
a
>> >> plate
>> >> >> glass window and was selling at 50 % or more than the chips list
price
>> >> >> because there was so much demand.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Robert G Smith
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2 + 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:9erv5h$ctg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Snauk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >> >> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> >> > > Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >> Kenny Chaffin wrote:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> > Not gonna happen. People trust sun servers. What operating
>> >system
>> >> are
>> >> >> > >> > they gonna use on the chip? Solaris is proven on sun
hardware,
>> >> >> > certainly
>> >> >> > >> > not on Itanium or even much used on pentiums....
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> But what about Linux,
>> >> >> > >> and IBM's commitment to Linux?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Linux is one of Intel's biggest customers on the server. Also,
the
>> >> Linux
>> >> >> > camp has the talent to develop the compilers that this chip
>> requires.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Of course, Itanium, if successful, is the VLIW successor for both
>> >> Windows
>> >> >> > and Unix.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > However, both Sun and IBM have competing VLIW chips.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 2 + 2
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> --------== Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==-------
>> >> >> > >> Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server
>> >> >> > >> -----------== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==----------
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >When you see IBM using Linux as opposed to their Unix variant
then
>> >> maybe.
>> >> >> > >Also IBM makes their own chips for a lot of the high end
servers.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:00:15 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> I just installed it 2 weeks ago or so! Give me a break! =)
And it's over 2 years old now.. 8 is the standard and has been out for over a
year. If I installed NT4 today I'd have to install SPs on it wouldn't I?
Sheesh.
> Spare me, asshole.
Boo hoo... so it's ok to complain about patches on unix boxes but not SPs on
windows eh? At least patches on Solaris work every time! And rarely require
a reboot (though they always "recommend" one as a CYA manouver).
> This isn't a production box (it can't be because nothing seems to run on
> it!) so it's not a security hole.
Funny.. I never have problems running programs on Solaris.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
Of course, all mission critical synergistically enhanced corporate package
data
mining and report generating suites need upgrade paths to facilitate corporate
executive migrations. -- stolen from a /. post 4/26/99
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:47:09 GMT
"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> > TS lets you have a complete desktop to command. It's essentially like
> > sitting at the console. There is no limit to what you can do (except play
> > DirectX games).
>
> Use apps like exceed... allow users to install anything (I can install
> anything I want into my homedir on a unix box). TS servers don't work at all
> for compute servers as windows doesn't handle multiple users doing large
> compiles at all well compared to how unix boxes handle it.
Well, if you say so. If that's true, then scratch that off of the 9,923,080,129
things Windows does well, K? K.
-c
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From: Pete Barnwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Time to bitc__ again
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:58:00 +0100
Sentinel wrote:
>
> In article <TmGQ6.19031$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone else noticed that whenever someone puts the words *flame* or
> > *bitch* in the subject header of the post, this particular post receives
> > many more responses than any other posts, or is that just my
> > imagination? ;-Þ
> >
> > Got a question? Just post as "I really don't want to start another
> > flamewar". You'll get all the attention you want, LOL...
> >
> >
> > ;-)
> >
>
> Humans are by nature confrontational. Sometimes these threads remind me
> of my youngest brother. He would argue with a sign post, and start arguments
> just to have something to do. I just think back to what my mom used to
> say..
>
> Opinions are like assholes. Everbody has one, nobody wants anyone else's.
>
> I DO like to read em though because some of the barbs going back and
> forth can be quite humorous.
>
> --
> Sentinel
> Kill da munge to reply by email.
> Registered Linux User #209449 - Machine Registration #97328
> Remember, the only stupid question is the one you DIDN'T ask.
"Every group has a couple of experts. And every group has at least one
idiot. Thus are balance and harmony (and discord) maintained. It's
sometimes hard to remember this in the bulk of the flamewars that all
of the hassle and pain is generally caused by one or two
highly-motivated,
caustic twits."
-- Chuq Von Rospach, about Usenet
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:49:03 GMT
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 29 May 2001 11:36:56 -0500, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Tue, 29 May 2001 09:44:07 -0500, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> On 27 May 2001 23:07:06 -0500, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2001 14:09:25 -0400, JS \\ PL
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >> >I have to say, Linux Mandrake 8 was looking real damn good. Support
for
> >> >> >all
> >> >> >> >my hardware (for once) easy set-up, even seting up networking and
> >> >> >connection
> >> >> >> >sharing was painless. Good newsreader - Knode, pretty stable OS. I
even
> >> >> >> >liked the fact that it stayed connected to the Internet when
switching
> >> >> >users
> >> >> >> >(unlike Win2K) I was actually contemplating using it much more often
> >and
> >> >> >> >only using Windows for apps I need to use that aren't available on
> >Linux.
> >> >> >> >But....
> >> >> >> >Well after half a day checking out the new XP OS, I have to say IT
> >KICKS
> >> >> >> >MANDRAKE ASS!!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can I setup Windows XP at home so that I can log into it via ssh and
> >have
> >> >> >> a server running that acts as a proxy web browser, allowing me to
> >> >> >> browse the web from my machine at work over an encrypted channel and
> >> >> >> bypassing the filters on my company's firewall? And do all this with
> >> >> >> out-of-the-box free software?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >SSH? No. There isn't a built in SSH server so the answer is no. There
are
> >> >> >SSH servers available though and some are free so... a half no/half yes
> >> >> >answer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can I use Windows XP to redirect it's output over an encrypted
network
> >> >> >> port so that I can run applications on my home machine from my
machine
> >> >> >> at work, complete with GUI features? And do all this with
> >out-of-the-box
> >> >> >> free software?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Sure, free terminal services now included with XP home/pro versions
too.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> XP is still in beta. Last time I looked I couldn't get Windows XP
> >> >> out of any box. Will it allow this sort of access from a non-Windows
> >> >> machine?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can I use Windows XP as a NAT server and firewall and allow the
machines
> >> >> >> on my LAN to all share a single internet connection? And do all this
> >with
> >> >> >> out-of-the-box free software?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I hope you're not talking about ICS. Chad Meyers tried to tell us that
ICS
> >> >> in Win 2K Pro could do this too. Check out this from my Win2K Pro
> >> >> Resource Kit:
> >> >
> >> >It's Myers, jerk, get it right.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Not a title I'd choose, but if you say so:
> >>
> >> Chad Myers, jerk tried to tell us that ICS in Win2K Pro could do this.
Check
> >> out this from my Win2K Pro Resource Kit....
> >
> >Then I shall call you Chad Everett, illiterate, since you have a basic
> >problem parsing English sentence structure.
> >
>
> You forgot this part:
>
> From the Windows 2000 Pro Resource Kit:
>
> "Do not enable ICS in an existing network that has DNS servers, gateways,
> DHCP servers, or computers configured with static IP addresses.
> If your Windows 2000 Professional-based computer is in a network
> where one or more of these conditions exist, you MUST use
> Windows 2000 Server network address translation."
Yes, and?
Win2K Pro is a workstation. If you want full server technology, then use
Server.
There are other free NAT apps, as well as DHCP and DNS server for Win2K
Pro. If you want all that and don't want it to act as the main server,
then just download the stuff seperately.
Jesus
-c
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