Linux-Advocacy Digest #883, Volume #34 Fri, 1 Jun 01 01:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Terry
Porter)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Chris Morgan)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Terry Porter)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Ben Franchuk)
Re: Bill Gates on CNBC In Depth tonight - how come no mention of Linux? ("Paolo
Ciambotti")
Re: Opera (Terry Porter)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the (Rotten168)
Re: Bill Gates on CNBC In Depth tonight - how come no mention of Linux? (The Xebot)
Windows XP Gets Fingered (The Xebot)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (The Xebot)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (David Fox)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (The Xebot)
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 02:12:45 GMT
Daniel Johnson wrote:
> >
> > StarOffice does not use the normal *Windows* control set. It being a
> > cross-platform app, it is not surprising that there are some differences
> > from a native app.
>
> I assure you, I was not surprised- I've seen it before.
> GIMP for Win32 is much worse about this.
I'm sorry Daniel, but I learned GIMP on Linux, and am
glad to see the same controls preserved in the Windows
version. This is the consistency that Win guys want,
I think.
> It appears to be the path of least resistance for
> Unix apps- they implement their controls internally,
> anyway, so just make the drawing engine portable
> and you can be running on Windows in a jiffy.
You're half right. GIMP uses GTK+, which has been
ported to Windows. It would have been hell to port
if it had used Xlib directly.
> But it's a quality issue. These apps aren't
> as good as those which do use the local widget
> set.
No, they just look different.
> Even cross platform apps *can* if they
> put in the effort- MS Office uses Macintosh
> widgets on the Mac, for instance.
It's faster to go right to the Win32 graphics
API with your wrapper, though.
> It is the Macintosh and Unix that make life
> interesting for portable apps.
No, Beavis, Microsoft is the one that went
its own way. The rest ended up needing
to follow them, for better or worse.
> I don't agree. *Most* desktop platforms do offer
> a standard file manager you can integrate with-
> Macintoshes have the Finder, OS/2 offers WPS,
> and so on.
>
> "Cross platform" doesn't have to include Unix;
> if you do include Unix, *that* is when you have
> to deal with Unix's deficiencies compared to other
> platforms (not just Windows)
This is just so senseless, Daniel.
More stuff you said that I'd like to contest,
but just got home from a soccer game, and I'm
tired!
Chris
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:14:05 -0400
Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> >it's one way that gays and their anal-sex
> >>
> >> You sure do obsess on anal sex.
> >
> >No.
>
> denial: An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to
> acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.
>
> > I merely mention it
>
> again and again and again and again...
>
> >because it's the crux of the fucking PROBLEM
> >under discusion.
>
> No, it isn't. The problem is that you've got problems with minding
> your own damn business. If you're so interested in anal sex then go
> find some guy and have at in your own bedroom.
Wrong.
Tuberculosis, and what TB-infected people do is the PUBLIC's business.
Same thing goes for Hepatitis.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 01 Jun 2001 02:12:29 GMT
On Thu, 31 May 2001 21:26:06 GMT,
Philip Nicholls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have used Windows 98 ( not SE, not ME) for two years and I rarely have
> problems. We I do, it is usually something I did. Now, I maintain my
> system -- defrag, delete useless files, run Nortin Windoctor, etc., on a
> regular basis.
This is I suppose one difference between Windows and Linux ... maintenance!
I used Linux (RedHat4.2), from 1997 till 2000, thats 3 years, and during that
time I did not have more than 2% free on my hard disk.
I never de-fragged, or checked for a single virus, I had up to several users
and the box was on 24/24. There were 4 crashes in total, 2 due to nukes, and
2 due to the irc server crashing.
I would submit that Linux needs zero 'tending' compared to Windows.
>
> Here is what I am afraid of . I have just started using Linux and I think
> that the more you automate installation you lose flexibility.
Absolutely!
> Why play
> microsoft's game? Let those who want to know more use Linux. Let those
> who don't car sick with Windows.
Well said.
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From: Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 31 May 2001 22:17:59 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking) writes:
> The install can be a pain depending on equipment and distro used. At
> times, you get to play "hacker" with the install, like on a stubborn
> laptop.
This seems more damning than it really is - actually installing
Windows from scratch can be a mess too, it's just that most users
never have to.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 01 Jun 2001 02:15:30 GMT
On Thu, 31 May 2001 22:02:32 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 31 May 2001 05:14:39 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>
>>> The way you do it now makes it hard to seperate what you says and what you
>>> reply to.
>
>>Why does it make it hard ?
>
> It just does.
>
>>My newsreader (Slrn) shows no such spaces in your reply to me, but your
>>lines are easy to see due to to an ">" being inserted by my newsreader
>>and each posters followups are colored differently.
>
> It's still difficult to read.
Perhaps it's Agent that makes my posts hard to read ?
Who here Does NOT have trouble reading my posts (poor spelling
and style excluded :)
???????????????
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:25:22 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You sure do obsess on anal sex.
>
> No. I merely mention it because it's the crux of the fucking PROBLEM
> under discusion.
Is this discussion about OfficeXP or WinXP? Or are we talking about a
non-MSFT style of buttfucking?
Shouldn't the next version from MSFT be called WinKY? Just so's there's
no doubt about what MSFT are asking you to submit to.....
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From: Ben Franchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 03:53:01 -0600
Chris Morgan wrote:
> This seems more damning than it really is - actually installing
> Windows from scratch can be a mess too, it's just that most users
> never have to.
Ha! I bet all users have had to re-install windows at least
once or fight the system installing new hardware or software.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill Gates on CNBC In Depth tonight - how come no mention of Linux?
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:30:40 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Anonymous"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
>
>> I don't suppose it would have anything to do with MSFT being a
>> technology partner and investor in CNBC, would it?
>
> I thought that was MSNBC.
Both. MSFT and CNBC.com are partners in an MS-Money based website
venture, and MSFT is a financial partner in both MSNBC and CNBC.
Google is your friend.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Opera
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 01 Jun 2001 02:25:36 GMT
On Thu, 31 May 2001 22:02:19 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 31 May 2001 01:50:24 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 May 2001 19:54:06 GMT,
>
>
>>>> Why?
>
>>Because Linux users have some moral discipline regarding stealing
>>thats why.
>
> Yeah, like you've never ripped off any software before...
Thats an interesting question, and in all honesty I can say that I have,
but it was in my Windows days. The software I coppied (ripped off) was
1/ Word
2/ Protel (a pcb CAD program)
3/ A HC11 C compilier.
Interestingly I did not make any money from these apps, just used them
to do work related tasks. I'm aware that this doesnt reduce the
illegiality by any degree.
Now these were work copies, and we all did it, because purchasing this
software for home use was just not possible.
I can now happily say that since 1997 I have used no pirate software
nor have I any in my possetion:))
I think its just the Windows way of life, and I'm free of that
paradigm now, as all the software I need is available for free
under Linux.
Please note: I paid for Win95, Ms Access, and 2 versions of Ms Money
and various games, ie Quake, Z, C&C.
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 02:39:15 GMT
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Thu, 31 May 2001 10:31:46 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >> Did the geniuses who wrote X consider Trackballs of varying designs when
> >> they chose the 'middle button' cut & paste?? Probably not, because it's
> >> very unwieldy for me and my Logitech trackball.
>
> >Did the geniuses who made your track ball build it with X in mind??
> >
> >Bearing in mind X was there first, the trackball makers seem to be at
> >fault.
>
> Never mind that you can press the left and right buttons at the same
> tiem for the same effect...
No... that's what's unwieldy about it, pressing both the left and right
buttons is too annoying to be used in a practical sense.
This whole thing is just another way Linux is failing on the desktop.
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From: The Xebot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill Gates on CNBC In Depth tonight - how come no mention of Linux?
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:15:05 -0700
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Subject: Windows XP Gets Fingered
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:34:28 -0700
"Windows XP Gets Fingered"
Original article at http://www.thefirmhand.com/xp_fingered.asp
Windows XP, Microsoft's next operating system, has been the center of
heated debate and controversy ever since Microsoft announced that
Windows XP would be the first Microsoft product to incorporate the
company's new technology for combatting software piracy, called
"Activation."
Microsoft Group Vice President and Jay Leno impersonator, Jim Allchin,
defended the company's new approach, "Basically, we're doing this for
the little guy, so he can sleep at night, without worrying about
whether or not he has violated any Microsoft software license
agreements. From our own user studies, this is the main concern of
the average Microsoft customer."
Allchin explained how the process would work, "It's very
non-intrusive. It won't really change how the user works with Windows
today. Basically, when a user purchases a copy of Windows XP, they
have fifteen days to activate the program. Activation simply involves
a visit from Bill Gates, who sticks his thumb up the user's butt; and
they're ready to go!"
"I don't mess around with thumbs," he said. "The thumb was the No. 1
thing that we focused on here, and we feel good that we can promise a
thumb up the butt of every Windows user when XP ships next October. It
would have been nice to make the back-to-school time frame, but Mr.
Gates' left thumb had already been committed to a recent Microsoft
acquisition, Bungie Software. However, throughout the holiday season,
you will see massive thumbings."
Allchin said the company will spend hundreds of millions of dollars
flying Bill Gates throughout the world, and he predicted a big PC
sales boost for the fourth quarter. "We're going to blow out the
holiday season. It's going to be incredibly exciting," he said. "The
holiday season is going to be a great thumbs-up for the PC industry.
We might even decide to extend Christmas to a full week in order to
honor the birth of Windows XP."
Commenting about the resources that Microsoft has dedicated to the
Windows XP effort, Allchin said, "Compared to WWII, we dwarf that."
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From: The Xebot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:46:41 -0700
On 01 Jun 2001 00:39:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
wrote:
>
>Process id's are not available in Win95 or Win98, perhaps theyre avail
>in Win2k?
>
Not correct, Process IDs go back to Win95. *Most* process-related
APIs work in Win95 and/or Win98 (including TerminateProcess).
Security descriptors, and the like, are not supported in Win9x, of
course.
Excerpt from MSDN:
GetCurrentProcessId()
The GetCurrentProcessId function retrieves the process identifier of
the calling process.
<snip>
Requirements
Windows NT/2000: Requires Windows NT 3.1 or later.
--> Windows 95/98: Requires Windows 95 or later.
Header: Declared in Winbase.h; include Windows.h.
Library: Use Kernel32.lib.
Re:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/psdk/winbase/prothred_3mgj.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 31 May 2001 22:03:18 -0700
Ben Franchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Chris Morgan wrote:
> > This seems more damning than it really is - actually installing
> > Windows from scratch can be a mess too, it's just that most users
> > never have to.
>
> Ha! I bet all users have had to re-install windows at least
> once or fight the system installing new hardware or software.
Unfortunately, they usually fail and call me for help.
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From: The Xebot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:04:14 -0700
>>> On Thu, 31 May 2001 09:24:15 +0100,
>>> Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>> >
>>> > Ah I see what you mean. You mean control of windows. I had noticed you
>>> > can drag around a window in Linux when its process is hung, something
>>> > you can't do on Windows.
<snip>
That is because window dragging under X11 is managed by the X-server,
not the app (the X-client). Under MS-Windows, an application must
have it's message-pump running.
I think that BeOS has the best model. A BeOS app has a minimum of two
threads, one for display, and the other for the app's "main". IMHO,
this provides the best performance/stability. If the main thread (or
threads) are frozen, the GUI thread can still terminate the process.
Poor BeOS; I shall miss thee.......
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