Linux-Advocacy Digest #983, Volume #34 Tue, 5 Jun 01 12:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (Stephen Edwards)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Re: Best Distribution? (pip)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning. ("Donal K. Fellows")
Redating symbolic links (Was: The beginning of the end for microsoft) (hack)
Re: UI Importance (Josiah Fizer)
Re: UI Importance (Josiah Fizer)
Re: UI Importance (John Jensen)
Re: Chicken and egg problem ("Mike")
TUX (Joshua D. Drake)
Re: Best Distribution? (Bob Hauck)
Re: UI Importance (Jesse F. Hughes)
Re: UI Importance (Macman)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Bob Hauck)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Edwards)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:10:33 GMT
Seven rabid koala bears with eucalyptus spittle dribbling from their
mouths told me that [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Johanson) wrote in
<3b1c5039$0$2604$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Jan Johanson wrote:
>> >
>> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>> > > > Besides, If you had the kind of experience with UNIX
>> > > > that you seem to pretend to have, you'd understand
>> > > > why the Linux kernel is completely substandard.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Then you better tell the CEO of IBM that Linux is substandard
>> > > because they just dumped an awful lot of money into getting linux
>> > > to run on their mainframes. :-)
>> >
>> > Oh, I see, so Linux=good because a lot of money was spent modifying
>> > it
>to
>> > run on some once-upon-a-time-evil-empire's hardware?
>> >
>> > So, the $2 billion in R&D MS spends yearly on Windows, being greater
>than
>> > the <$1 billion IBM has spent pretty much helps confirm that
>Windows>Linux -
>> > is that what you meant?
>>
>> Not at all. IBM is more efficient than microsoft and I know quite a
>> few of their employees... gawd I sure wouldn't want to get under an
>> MRI made by Microsoft!
>
>I know both IBM employees (ex-father-in-law) and Microsofties - IBM is
>much much MUCH less effieicent by several orders of magnitude. I sure
You don't even really have to know anyone
from either camp to know that IBM has a lot
more overhead than Microsoft. It's just a
known fact. The IBM way has always been
overkill, to say the least.
They wouldn't have designed the original
PC the way that they did, if they didn't
have so much overhead to deal with.
>wouldn't want to get under anything running Linux. A buncha hippies
>programming in their spare time "cause it's cool" and just abandoning
>software projects whenever there is a sale on sandals and pipes at the
>head shop?
"Sounds like someone's livin' in the past...
contemporize, man, and freak out the squares!"
:-D
While it can be unnerving to have a piece of
software get abandoned in the middle of its
development, especially if you decide that you
might like to use it, usually, it picks up
another maintainer if it's good enough. If it
doesn't, then there's usually a reason why...
because it's a worthless POS anyway.
As BSD heads say, "Old software never dies...
it just switches maintainers." :-)
>I'll stick with HP for my hospital equipment...
Embedded systems? Embedded NT, or WindowsCE?
I've messed about with QNX RTP v6 recently...
I cannot honestly say that I was impressed.
Building (ie: merely relinking, like what SCO
OpenServer does with *.o files) the kernel was
rather straightforward, but on two distinctly
different machines, QNX had difficulty detecting
my RAM correctly. On top of that, it seemed to
lock up quite regularly.
No, it wasn't my hardware. My hardware works
flawlessly with Windows98, WindowsNT v4.0,
Windows 2000, and NetBSD. Dunno.
One box is a Tyan Thunder 100 (S1836) running
an Intel 44GX chipset, two 400MHz Pentium IIs,
and 512MB of RAM. The other is an Intel SE440BX-2
board with a 550MHz Pentium III, and 256MB of RAM.
Anyone else have similar inconsistencies with QNX?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:47:38 +0200
"cjt & trefoil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Dean Kent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:L_YS6.6256$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > If you are fortunate, the registry doesn't get trashed by your first
boot
> > on
> > > new hardware. Windows keeps all hardware, software and user options
in a
> > > single relational data base file (as far as I can tell), and when it
gets
> > > corrupted... well, you could be completely screwed and need to
reformat
> > and
> > > reinstall..
> >
> > No, the registry is a hirercial database, not a relational.
> > The difference is that in a relational database you ask:
> > "give me all the people with brown hair"
> > In hirercial database you ask:
> > "give me all the people stored in the \brown_hair."
> >
> > Hirercial database are *really* fast.
>
> ... for certain types of queries. For others they're abysmal.
For pulling information from the DB, it's really fast.
If you also want sorting, choosing, etc, that is *realy* not what they are
there for.
That is why relational DB exist.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:06:36 GMT
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:04:03 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 05 Jun 2001 02:04:00 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 09:57:32 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>> I use it for free, so you must be wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Bzzzzzzzzt, now you've sent my untruth-o-meter of it's scale!!!
>>>>
>>>>Norti!
>>>
>>> What the HELL are you talking about?
>>
>>Its called *humour* (sometimes) so lighten up please.
>>
>>Dr Square, I meant that as Agent is NOT free, someone had to pay for it,
>>are you saying that is was a gift ?
>
>No, I cracked it.
coward. be a man and rob some liquor stores if you can't afford to
pay it.
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Distribution?
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:11:24 +0100
drsquare wrote:
> >If you have your whole email address at some point, some automated
> >software will pick it up and start spamming you. That's why there's lots
> >of wired variations, such as mine,below.
>
> >(u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
>
> So this translates to u98ej r@**************ecs.ox.ac.uk ?
Well that's one to the spammers then. I am sure Edward will thank you
for that!
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:09:33 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 31 May 2001 16:57:38
>"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> > > Boo hoo... so it's ok to complain about patches on unix boxes but not SPs
>on
>> > > windows eh? At least patches on Solaris work every time!
>> >
>> > That remains to be seen.
>>
>> Speaking from experience.. I can say it's true.
>
>Nope, wrong.
[...]
C'mon, Chad; we all know you're too incompetent to be capable of saying
that truthfully.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:09:32 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 30 May 2001 02:23:21
>"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>>
>> > Don't forget; you're thinking about Linux, but Chad's talking about
>> > Solaris. He's got a commercial company to complain to if anything isn't
>>
>> Actually no.. I'm talking about Solaris too. I admin Solaris machines at
>> work, and have two at home.
>
>I'm sorry.
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning.
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:04:03 +0100
Todd wrote:
> Well, now you have 100% compliance with UNIX.
Except for in a security sense. MS don't give me the impression of
having a coherent clue about security. Sure they've hired some good
people, but are they learning? Are they taking all that on-board?
Don't look like it from here...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Anyone using MFC desperatly needs a nasal enigma.
-- David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (hack)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Redating symbolic links (Was: The beginning of the end for microsoft)
Date: 5 Jun 2001 15:17:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andrew Reilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[snip]
>I've been moving my home directory from machine to machine as I
>changed Universities, departments, and (more recently) machines
>at home since 1989. I know that, because I have files and
>e-mail messages in my home directory that have timestamps from
>then.
>
>It really is as simple as tar'ing $HOME to an appropriate
>removable medium, and untarring it over $HOME on the new box,
>after you've created the appropriate user and group IDs.
How did you restore the time stamps of symbolic links? This is something
I've been trying to find out for a long time...
Michel.
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From: Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:18:19 -0700
On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 06:19:44 +0200, "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>"Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
>> But for teaching the basics of programming, when you don't want all that
>> complicated UI stuff getting in the way of what you're really teaching,
>> a CLI is a good thing to have.
>
>I agree absolutely about this point.
>Trying to teach GUI when first leaning to program is a bitch.
>
>
The following two programs are Hello World for the CLI and GUI (using
WindowsCE MFC, what I'm learning this week).
CLI
===================================================
#include <stdio.h>
int main(void)
{
printf("Hello World!");
return 0;
}
GUI
===================================================
#include <windows.h>
#include <windowsx.h>
#include "resource.h"
HINSTANCE hInst = NULL; // Local copy of hInstance
HWND hwndMain = NULL; // Handle to Main window returned from
CreateWindow
TCHAR szAppName[] = TEXT("Hello Pocket PC Application");
TCHAR szTitle[] = TEXT("Hello Pocket PC");
/**************************************************************************************
WndProc
**************************************************************************************/
LRESULT CALLBACK WndProc(HWND hwnd, UINT msg, WPARAM wp, LPARAM lp)
{
LRESULT lResult = TRUE;
HDC hdc;
PAINTSTRUCT ps;
RECT rect;
switch(msg)
{
case WM_COMMAND:
switch (GET_WM_COMMAND_ID(wp,lp))
{
case IDOK:
SendMessage(hwnd,WM_CLOSE,0,0);
break;
default:
return DefWindowProc(hwnd, msg, wp,
lp);
}
break;
case WM_PAINT:
{
hdc = BeginPaint (hwnd, &ps);
GetClientRect (hwnd, &rect);
DrawText (hdc, L"Hello Pocket PC!", -1, &rect,
DT_SINGLELINE | DT_CENTER | DT_VCENTER);
EndPaint (hwnd, &ps);
}
break;
case WM_CLOSE:
DestroyWindow(hwnd);
break;
case WM_DESTROY:
PostQuitMessage(0);
break;
default:
lResult = DefWindowProc(hwnd, msg, wp, lp);
break;
}
return (lResult);
}
/****************************************************************************
InitInstance
*****************************************************************************/
BOOL InitInstance (HINSTANCE hInstance, int CmdShow )
{
hInst = hInstance;
hwndMain = CreateWindow(szAppName,
szTitle,
WS_VISIBLE,
CW_USEDEFAULT,
CW_USEDEFAULT,
CW_USEDEFAULT,
CW_USEDEFAULT,
NULL, NULL, hInstance, NULL );
if ( !hwndMain )
{
return FALSE;
}
ShowWindow(hwndMain, CmdShow );
UpdateWindow(hwndMain);
return TRUE;
}
/****************************************************************************
InitApplication
****************************************************************************/
BOOL InitApplication ( HINSTANCE hInstance )
{
WNDCLASS wc;
BOOL f;
wc.style = CS_HREDRAW | CS_VREDRAW ;
wc.lpfnWndProc = (WNDPROC)WndProc;
wc.cbClsExtra = 0;
wc.cbWndExtra = 0;
wc.hIcon = NULL;
wc.hInstance = hInstance;
wc.hCursor = NULL;
wc.hbrBackground = (HBRUSH) GetStockObject( WHITE_BRUSH );
wc.lpszMenuName = NULL;
wc.lpszClassName = szAppName;
f = (RegisterClass(&wc));
return f;
}
/*****************************************************************************
WinMain
***************************************************************************/
int WINAPI WinMain(HINSTANCE hInstance,
HINSTANCE hPrevInstance,
LPWSTR lpCmdLine,
int CmdShow)
{
MSG msg;
HWND hHelloWnd = NULL;
HACCEL hAccel = NULL;
//Check if Hello.exe is running. If it's running then focus on
the window
hHelloWnd = FindWindow(szAppName, szTitle);
if (hHelloWnd)
{
SetForegroundWindow (hHelloWnd);
return 0;
}
if ( !hPrevInstance )
{
if ( !InitApplication ( hInstance ) )
{
return (FALSE);
}
}
if ( !InitInstance( hInstance, CmdShow ) )
{
return (FALSE);
}
hAccel = LoadAccelerators(hInstance,
MAKEINTRESOURCE(IDR_ACCELERATOR1));
while ( GetMessage( &msg, NULL, 0,0 ) == TRUE )
{
if (!TranslateAccelerator(hwndMain,hAccel, &msg))
{
TranslateMessage (&msg);
DispatchMessage(&msg);
}
}
return (msg.wParam);
}
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From: Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:21:07 -0700
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:08:45 +0100, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In article <9fhc7r$qne$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
><don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:9fh607$lm0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> >>You still have to select the individual pictures though, which is a
>>> >>long and tedious process. Basically, selecting some pictures based on
>>> >>content out of 100s is a long tedious process.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > CTR-F type in the parameters (*.jpg,*.gif) hit enter. I fail to see
>>> > what the problem is.
>>>
>>> That doesn't sort them by content.
>>
>> You can tell it to do so.
>
>Content ?!
>
>But that involves knowing what is in the images. I don't think computers
>are powerful enough to sort 1000 images by content yet.
>
>
>-Ed
Sure they can. Just open a sample image in a text program and copy out
the string of binary data you want to search for. Then paste it into
the "find in files" dialog box. It'll run real slow like but it will
work.
However I still dont see why you would want to do this.
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:20:43 GMT
In comp.sys.mac.advocacy Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <9fh09h$a63$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Jensen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> : In article <9fgt89$a0v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Jensen
>> : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> : > [...] If 342 people in North Elbonia love their slime-mold-eye-candy
>> : > interface, I say more power to 'em.
>> : >
>> : > AFAIC they can have fun, and let us know how it all works out.
>>
>> : No, you're still missing the point.
>>
>> : Eye-candy is fine. You can have all the eye-candy you want.
>>
>> : Let me try to think of the program with the worst UI in the world ...
>> : WordPerfect for DOS. I'll just port that to Windows, and give it a TTY
>> : interface with all the orginal keystrokes and format codes untouched.
>> : I'll add the world's best, most fabulous UI customizer, complete with
>> : Photohsop filters and sample green slime UI skins ... and the interface
>> : will still suck.
>>
>> : If you think that skins alone will improve the usability of an
>> : interface, then you're an idiot.
>>
>> You've got it so bad, you think I must be arguing different absolutes,
>> rather than against the whole idea.
>>
>> There are enough UIs out there that people can decide for themselves.
>>
>> They don't need any gurus (unless they want them, and even then they
>> don't all have to choose the same one).
> I'm afraid I don't understand what you're trying to say, or why you're
> trying to argue against what I'm saying. I think you don't understand
> what I'm saying.
> Hang on, let me bolt this spike to my keyboard. It will make the
> following a little more productive while I bash my head against it.
[snip]
I thought about this overnight, but I didn't think of a way to say it any
clearer than the "North Elbonia" quote above.
IMO there is a difference between perfecting your own UI (or requesting
changes in the UIs you use), and judging UIs in which you are not a
stakeholder.
If the North Elbonians like their UI, let them use if for as long as
they like (even if we don't have high hops for it). Seriously, why
not let them us how *they* think it worked out?
[parallels to computer choice, rather than UI choice should be obvious]
John
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Chicken and egg problem
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:33:32 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9fik2t$5te$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Just providing backward compatability doesn't mean anything.
> You have to lure the users to your platform.
> Not giving backward compatability is a fence they will either trip or
climb
> over.
>
> Giving backward compatability is nice, but what was the *killer app* of
> OS/2? What was the *reason* to move?
Backwards compatibility may not mean everything, but I'd argue that it's a
fundamental prerequisite to take over the OS market. Without that, the
killer apps on the current OS are much more difficult to move.
You're second point is right on. Backward compatibility isn't enough; there
also has to be a compelling reason to switch.
-- Mike --
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From: Joshua D. Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TUX
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Reply-To: "remove .nospan to email" <>
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:36:48 GMT
LinuxPorts.Com (poet's website) has opened a online store to help support
the Linux Documentation Project. They have used the artwork from their
online comic, TUX as supporting material. TUX can be found on the web at
http://www.linuxports.com/TUX .The artwork was used in the creation of
mugs, shirts and mousepads. To purchase please take a look at
http://www.cafepress.com/linuxports . So ask yourself... Who do you want to
fsck today?
Joshua Drake
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Best Distribution?
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:37:04 GMT
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:03:57 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >/d{def}def/f{/Times-Roman findfont s scalefont setfont}d/s{10}d/r{roll}d f 5 -1
> >r 230 350 moveto 0 1 179{2 1 r dup show 2 1 r 88 rotate 4 mul 0 rmoveto}for/s 15
> >d f pop 240 420 moveto 0 1 3 {4 2 1 r sub -1 r show}for showpage
>
> But what the hell is all this?
Postscript code.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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Subject: Re: UI Importance
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesse F. Hughes)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:40:14 GMT
Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:08:45 +0100, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <9fhc7r$qne$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
> ><don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:9fh607$lm0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>> >>You still have to select the individual pictures though, which is a
> >>> >>long and tedious process. Basically, selecting some pictures based on
> >>> >>content out of 100s is a long tedious process.
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > CTR-F type in the parameters (*.jpg,*.gif) hit enter. I fail to see
> >>> > what the problem is.
> >>>
> >>> That doesn't sort them by content.
> >>
> >> You can tell it to do so.
> >
> >Content ?!
> >
> >But that involves knowing what is in the images. I don't think computers
> >are powerful enough to sort 1000 images by content yet.
> >
> >
> >-Ed
>
> Sure they can. Just open a sample image in a text program and copy out
> the string of binary data you want to search for. Then paste it into
> the "find in files" dialog box. It'll run real slow like but it will
> work.
>
> However I still dont see why you would want to do this.
>
Suppose I have thousands of photos of ice cream trucks. Suppose I
want to find all of the photos of Good Humour trucks (a particular
company among many companies). Now, how does your method work?
I think you misunderstood what he meant by content. He did not mean
sorting based on the occurrence of a particular string of binary
data. Images are (often) images *of* something. He wants to sort
according to what these images represents (something that your
algorithm certainly doesn't do -- I'm not sure that any current
algorithms exist for this task).
--
Jesse Hughes
"She testified they had sex near the Oval Office, not in the famous
room itself, because that `wouldn't be appropriate, you know.'"
-AP article
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From: Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:44:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4 Jun 2001 22:20:03 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Nico Coetzee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> That is using a form of CLI... You basically just confirmed that using a
> >> CLI is in fact better in some cases than a GUI ;)
> >
> >Of course I can confirm that. i can think of _some_ scenarios where it might
> >be faster to use the CLI. If you are fortunately enough to have such a
> >simple command as the above then perhaps the CLI works fine and quick. But,
> >the MAJORITY of the time I find the GUI file manager MUCH faster and more
> >accurate and definately more functional.
>
> One of the most popular tasks is to move all files from a directory to
> a floppy. On a CLI that's merely "cp * /f". What could be simpler?
> Clicking/selecting away in a file manager?
Just to set the fact straight.... you've left out an important part.
First you have to migrate to the relevant directory, then copy the
files. Or, yo have to "cp /sdfdlj/ldal/lsdkjfaldjfa/dljfa/* /f"
Of course, you're also assuming that one will generally want to move all
files. In my experience, that's by far less common than moving just some
of the files.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:45:03 GMT
On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:37:22 GMT, T. Max Devlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In theory, an ISP could run thousands of hosts on one mainframe. Such
> an ISP would go out of business, though. It is not an efficient way to
> spend money, that's all.
Have you actually calculated the costs? Lots of hosting providers
offer "dedicated hosts", which is usually something like a Cobalt RaQ,
for $200/month. A mainframe could do the same thing on one machine.
There should be a breakeven point where the mainframe is cheaper per
host, since the cost to add another is $0 vs ~$1000 for the RaQ. The
only question is whether or not that point is within the capacity of
the mainframe.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:58:45 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:33:52
>"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:04:58 -0500, Chad Myers
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Deviding a 6GB hard disk into itty-bitty 500MB or less segments seems
>> > retarded.
>>
>> What's retarded is having to restore all of your user data because you
>> reinstalled the OS. F'rinstance, I often put /home and /usr/local on
>> separate partitions so as to save hassle when upgrading.
>
>Like I said, I'm sure it makes sense on multiuser systems, but this is
>basically just a DB server and a test one at that =)
Stupid is as stupid does. You were the one complaining; I'm sure it
makes sense in your rather warped mind, but competence was never your
strong suite, eh?
>> > If this was a large server with many users shelling into it, I can
>> > see how that is important, but this is a test server running an Oracle
>> > database which isn't hit heavily, so I have no use for fancy partitioning
>> > that only serves to chip away and the scant space I have available.
>>
>> Well, you could put that DB on a separate partition. That way the
>> retarded admin will have one less thing to reinstall when he next hoses
>> up his box.
>
>But it was oracle that screwed up the root partition in the first place
>(well, Netscape technically...)
No, it was you, dipshit. Get it? :-D
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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