Linux-Advocacy Digest #24, Volume #35 Thu, 7 Jun 01 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Rotten168)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do (pip)
Re: UI Importance (Josiah Fizer)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Bob Hauck)
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (T. Max
Devlin)
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:41:50 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > I then asked if they knew of a good internet based forum for Win98....
> > (silence...) A supervisor got on line and asked what he could do for
> > me... I got my answer by inferring that they didn't know anything by
> > asking for an alternative source of answers.
> > Sometimes it works.
>
> I love it!
Well you use it (Windows 98) so I guess you would love it.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:52:30 GMT
On Sat 10 Jan 1970 02:39, drsquare wrote:
> On 6 Jun 2001 13:02:52 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (quux111)) wrote:
>
>>drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>
>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:09:28 +0800, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>>> ("wang yin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>>
>>>>There is no need to compare Linux with Win2K. Linux's aim should be
>>>>beat all Unix!
>>>
>>> Why would it want to do that?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Why, because...
>>
>>...all your base are belong to us! (Badoom-cha!)
>>
>>
>>Sorry. I couldn't resist.
>
> I've heard that before a few times. What does it actually mean?
>
It came from a Genesis game called Zero Wing that was very badly translated
from Japanese by the parent company. The dialog in the game's introduction
goes something like this (I am not an AYBABTU fan, so this may be slightly
off):
[Cheesy starfield and vaguely ship-like blobs]
Narrator: In AD 2100, war was beginning...
[Explosions, most ships are destroyed]
[Cut to inside of a capital ship]
Captain: What happen?
Crew #1: Someone set up us the bomb.
Crew #2: We get signal.
Captain: What!
Crew #2: Main screen turn on.
[CATS appears on the screen]
Captain: It's you!
CATS: How are you gentlemen!
CATS: All your base are belong to us.
CATS: You have no chance to survive make your time.
CATS: HA HA HA!
[Screen turns off]
Captain: Take off every zig!
Captain: Move zig.
Captain: For great justice.
[Small "zig" fighter takes off, main ship is destroyed]
More info, including a chronology of the AYBABTU phenomenon:
<http://www.planettribes.com/allyourbase/story.shtml>
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:55:36 GMT
On Thu 07 Jun 2001 05:09, pip wrote:
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>
[Snip]
>>
>> Yes, that's true. The reaons is that many processors only have two
>> levels, user and superviser, so NT was designed to conform to only two
>> levels to keep driver changes to a minimum on different platforms.
>
> Also Linux only uses 2 ring levels I think. This is quite strange as
> originally I would think that Linus would have used EVERY specific
> function available. Maybe this was a simplification to get things
> working quickly.
>
Nope, IIRC Linus decided to use only two ring levels for the same reason as
the NT kernel folks: more portability.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:12:23 +0100
Chronos Tachyon wrote:
> > Also Linux only uses 2 ring levels I think. This is quite strange as
> > originally I would think that Linus would have used EVERY specific
> > function available. Maybe this was a simplification to get things
> > working quickly.
> >
>
> Nope, IIRC Linus decided to use only two ring levels for the same reason as
> the NT kernel folks: more portability.
Hmmmm. Originally Linus did not even THINK about portability. In fact in
one of his posts to the minux newsgroup he states that "Simply, I'd say
that porting is impossible. It's mostly in C, but most people wouldn't
call what I write C. It uses every conceivable feature of the 386 I
could find, as it was also a project to teach me about the 386".
So therefore I was wondering why this design decision was made?
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From: Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:22:13 -0700
On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:56:46 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Dave Martel wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:56:00 -0700, Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>Still leaving lousy shell scripting and a "choice" of only one shell.
>> >>
>> >>BTW has MS implemented *real* regular-expression matching yet?
>> >>
>> >
>> >How is there only one choic of shells? I use TCSH on my Windows 2k
>> >box.
>>
>> I'm not sure if third-party add-ons should count, especially those
>> from the *nix world.
>>
>> What do the judges say? <g>
>>
>>
>
>I see. Under Solaris I have a choice of several shells that can be
>assigned to a number of users on the system. Under root I stay with
>sh. User: I use bash. I could use csh, but bash is my preference.
Am I the only one who gets bugged by having to list the shells used in
/etc/shells or FTP breaks? This is a source of constant trouble for me
as users start installing third party shells into our E250s.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:22:32 GMT
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:00:15 -0500, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, I'm sure MS was sitting there thinking "Wonder how we could break
> Samba" know that the Samba team would fix whatever went wrong the next
> day.
Knowing that once it is fixed, thousands of Samba users will have to
upgrade, thereby increasing the opportunity cost of using Samba instead
of MS.
> What's more likely the reality is that Samba is so fragile and poorly
> written and even a slight change in MS' code breaks Samba.
Why don't you take a look at the code and see? It is publicly available
you know.
> This has been the case since day one.
If MS would document their protocols, then the Samba team wouldn't have
to reverse-engineer things. This would probably make interoperability
easier and more reliable. Maybe you could explain to MS how this would
benefit their customers.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:30:19 GMT
Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 3 Jun 2001 21:58:04
>"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>> > Besides, If you had the kind of experience with UNIX
>> > that you seem to pretend to have, you'd understand
>> > why the Linux kernel is completely substandard.
>>
>> Then you better tell the CEO of IBM that Linux is substandard because
>> they just dumped an awful lot of money into getting linux to run on
>> their mainframes. :-)
>
>Oh, I see, so Linux=good because a lot of money was spent modifying it to
>run on some once-upon-a-time-evil-empire's hardware?
No, Linux is good, and IBM's support of it is proof of that. One of
many many reasons, not the sole "cause" of Linux being good.
>So, the $2 billion in R&D MS spends yearly on Windows, being greater than
>the <$1 billion IBM has spent pretty much helps confirm that Windows>Linux -
>is that what you meant?
Given that the results are closed source, the effort itself dubious, and
the engineering results about the worst crap you could imagine, I'd say,
No, MS's supposed 2 billion in supposed R&D isn't at all even slightly
indicative of any technical merit in the monopoly crapware. Yes, we
realize this is in direct contrast to IBM's investment in open source
Linux. A change in business model will do that, you see.
It isn't a question of Windows being better than Linux or Linux being
better than Windows, Stephen. It is a question of Windows being
monopoly crapware, badly designed dysfunctional junk which can't even be
*considered*, let alone *compared*, in terms of technical merit.
But monopoly goes a long way; even crapware sells like hotcakes when
there is no feasible alternative.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:30:20 GMT
Said Stephen Edwards in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 04 Jun 2001
>Seven rabid koala bears with eucalyptus spittle dribbling from their
>mouths told me that [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GreyCloud) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>Jan Johanson wrote:
>>>
>>> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED].
>>> ..
>>> > "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>>> > > Besides, If you had the kind of experience with UNIX
>>> > > that you seem to pretend to have, you'd understand
>>> > > why the Linux kernel is completely substandard.
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > Then you better tell the CEO of IBM that Linux is substandard
>>> > because they just dumped an awful lot of money into getting linux to
>>> > run on their mainframes. :-)
>>>
>>> Oh, I see, so Linux=good because a lot of money was spent modifying it
>>> to run on some once-upon-a-time-evil-empire's hardware?
>>>
>>> So, the $2 billion in R&D MS spends yearly on Windows, being greater
>>> than the <$1 billion IBM has spent pretty much helps confirm that
>>> Windows>Linux - is that what you meant?
>>
>>Not at all. IBM is more efficient than microsoft and I know quite a few
>>of their employees... gawd I sure wouldn't want to get under an MRI made
>>by Microsoft!
>
>Begging your pardon, but where did you ever get
>the idea that a coporate organization with IBM's
>overhead is "more efficient" than Microsoft.
They manage to stay in business while selling hardware; something MS
(other than the token mouse & keyboard junk) cannot even consider doing.
If they couldn't profiteer on monopoly crapware, they'd never even be
able to turn a profit. They simply haven't the business acumen it takes
to compete. Or at least we must assume, given their pointed refusal to
compete.
>Microsoft is significantly smaller (infrastructure-
>wise) than IBM, and I cannot see how this is possible
>in any way.
So a smaller company is always more efficient than a larger company, is
that what you're saying?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:30:21 GMT
Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 4 Jun 2001 22:24:03
>"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Jan Johanson wrote:
>> >
>> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>> > > > Besides, If you had the kind of experience with UNIX
>> > > > that you seem to pretend to have, you'd understand
>> > > > why the Linux kernel is completely substandard.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Then you better tell the CEO of IBM that Linux is substandard because
>> > > they just dumped an awful lot of money into getting linux to run on
>> > > their mainframes. :-)
>> >
>> > Oh, I see, so Linux=good because a lot of money was spent modifying it
>to
>> > run on some once-upon-a-time-evil-empire's hardware?
>> >
>> > So, the $2 billion in R&D MS spends yearly on Windows, being greater
>than
>> > the <$1 billion IBM has spent pretty much helps confirm that
>Windows>Linux -
>> > is that what you meant?
>>
>> Not at all. IBM is more efficient than microsoft and I know quite a few
>> of their employees... gawd I sure wouldn't want to get under an MRI made
>> by Microsoft!
>
>I know both IBM employees (ex-father-in-law) and Microsofties - IBM is much
>much MUCH less effieicent by several orders of magnitude.
I'm sure there are just BUNCHES of people who consider you an authority
on the matter. Guffaw.
>I sure wouldn't
>want to get under anything running Linux.
And this has _what_ to do with your previous sentence?
>A buncha hippies programming in
>their spare time "cause it's cool" and just abandoning software projects
>whenever there is a sale on sandals and pipes at the head shop?
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Another opinion I'm sure *somebody* is naive
enough to take seriously. Probably not around here, though. ;-)
>I'll stick with HP for my hospital equipment...
I should hope so. Nobody in their right mind would trust your ability
to maintain a professional Linux system at all, let alone something so
critical.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:30:22 GMT
Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 05 Jun 2001
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 28 May 2001
>> [...]
>> >> That is not a "Linux" problem. The DVD communitty will not allow open
>> >> source or free versions of the DVD drivers, and they wont produce
>> >> commercial drivers.
>> >>
>> >I know that, and that the reason I won't switch, I would say it is a
>Linux
>> >problem.
>>
>> Sounds more like your problem. "Linux" is an OS; the only problems it
>> has are technical glitches or bugs. As pointed out, the lack of DVD
>> support is neither.
>>
>Linux problem is the 'DVD community' doesn't want open source drivers or DVD
>decoding programs,
What makes you say that?
>so I would say that a problem with Linux.
Why? If they don't want DVD, then why would it be a problem that they
don't want DVD?
>Closed source
>program are available on the Mac and Windows.
Uhuh, we knew that, what IS your point?
>> >Since the drivers would have to be closed source and distributed
>> >as binary only. Something need to be done about it or you will lose
>alot
>> >of new users, since just about every new computer comes with a DVD
>drive.
>>
>> BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
>>
>I guess you never go to Best Buy or any place that sells new computers,
>since last time I checked most of the computers had a DVD or CDRW or a combo
>drive.
Hmmm.... Now it is "a DVD or CDRW". Hmmmm....
>Laugh if you want, but I would suggest getting you head out of the
>sand first...
Make shit up based on your naive personal experience if you want to, but
I would suggest getting your head out of your ass and getting some real
statistics first, before saying stupid things like "most PCs come with
DVDs these days."
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:30:23 GMT
Said JS \ PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:48:28 -0400;
[...]
>Come on, your talking to a guy that's running Windows 95 and is pissed
>because it sucks, but he's too broke to run anything else so he's blaming
>Microsoft. That's Max in a sentence.
That's the anonymous troll "JS \ PL" in a paragraph. A random insult
thrown my way to try to make up for all the spankings I've given you.
Guffaw.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:30:24 GMT
Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 05 Jun 2001
[...]
>Sorry Max, most new PCs have a DVD drives and/or CDRW.[...]
What percentage are you calling "most", and why do you think you can
suddenly include CD writers? You're not trying to pretend you included
CD writers when you claimed that most new PCs have *DVDs*, are you?
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:30:26 GMT
Said green in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:32:24 +1000;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> >The will, however, be able to install, configure and use Windows XP.
>>
>> ...and they will, indeed, curse it from the first moment on, while
>> remaining captive to monopoly crapware. They can re-install Windows XP;
>> in Linux, the most they'll have to learn is how to recompile a kernel, a
>> far less intrusive activity, from their point of view.
>
>shit, comparing compiling a kernel to installing windows xp. has it got
>easyer,
>is there a wisard that helps it along in 2.4.4 ?.
You seem to have misunderstood the term 'intrusive'. It doesn't relate
to whether there is a 'wizard' or not.
>more likly the arerage joe/jane computer user will pass it of to some
>relitive or
>friend to do for them. probably happens 80% of the time any way.
Almost certainly, yes. The difference between this and Windows is the
'local geek' for joe/jane can just telnet in and set it up remotely,
saving a trip to joe/janes house.
Think about the term 'intrusive' for a few weeks, and consider what I
might mean by that. This isn't a point you're ever going to win.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:30:27 GMT
Said Stephen Edwards in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 06 Jun 2001
>Seven rabid koala bears with eucalyptus spittle dribbling from their
>mouths told me that [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick Ford) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>Stephen S. Edwards II wrote:
>>
>> >
>>> Close. Usually a junkie, or a pot-smoker (ie:
>>> sitting on the curb of the street)
>>>
>>> > > basket case
>>> >
>>> > The state of your ex-school education
>>>
>>> By what do you mean "ex-school"? Like
>>> an alma mater?
>>
>>"ex" means "out of" the same as "extra" as a prefix.
>>THus "ex school education" is education outside what you learn in
>>school. Perhaps "street smarts" is a modern synonym .
>>
>>> If you're making a reference to "crazy",
>>> then DING!
>>
>>I beg to differ. The literal meaning is something so badly injured as
>>being beyond taking to hspital on a stretcher--only a basket will be
>>suitable to contain the pieces.
>
>That's in your country, Einstein. In the
>U.S. "basket case" refers to a person who
>is nuts, and has to be hauled away in a
>cage, usually in the back of a van. Such
>a cage, in mental facility-speak, is often
>referred to as a "basket".
While it certainly sounds logical, your explanation also has the stench
of a "just-so" story. It seems more likely, to be honest, that
Patrick's explanation is the true derivation, though obviously I could
be wrong. Slang is rarely a straightforward etymology.
>Tell me, do you try to be this pompous and
>arrogant, or does it just come naturally?
Are you that new to Usenet, Stephen? Everyone sounds like a pompous
arrogant ass; even you. It is your reading of their words which
naturally causes this perception, not their words.
A little trick I've developed over the few short years I've been
posting: always assume the other person actually *is* being reasonable.
If they are not, you'll be able to tell very quickly, and you'll have a
better idea what actual clues in their communication indicate their
dishonesty.
>>>
>>> > > english muffin
>>> >
>>> > A cross between a bun and a cake
>>>
>>> BZZZZT!
>>>
>>> Nope. It's actually a type of bread,
>>> which is typically toasted and buttered.
>>
>>If that is how it is used in USA it's wrong.
>
>Wrong... I see. Tell me, in what English
>muffin white paper is the proper use of
>such a term defined?
Again I have to side with Patrick, here. An english muffin (in the US)
is indeed a cross between a cake and a bun (in the UK), I think, though
I might be confused about what those terms mean in the UK. I would
describe it more like a cross between raw dough and shoe leather,
personally, though your "type of bread, typically toasted" description
is also accurate, I guess.
I've always considered the term an insult to the English, and to
muffins.
>>> But more accurately, it refers to a male who
>>> has a "way" with the ladies.
>>
>>I diagree. It's a man who imagines he has a way with the ladies. It's
>>normally a self bestowed honorific, or an insult if bestowed by another.
>
>Again, not in the U.S. it's not. It's usually
>meant as a compliment.
You are young, I guess. In the last ten or twenty years it has
certainly become a compliment to be called a 'stud' (by a woman or a
homosexual), but the pejorative connotation that Patrick recalls was
more common historically, I think. This has to do more with what social
circles you are listening to then what country you're in, I think.
>>> > > JAP
>>> >
>>> > Obviously a person of Japan.
>>>
>>> BZZZT!
>>>
>>> Jewish American Princess
>>>
>>> Note, this is not considered a racial slur, but
>>> rather a reference to a kind of self-imperialistic
>>> attitude in some women.
>>
>>Hmm I think I maybe did know that once.
>
>Sounds to me like you have a lot of gaps
>in your knowledge, Einstein.
Sounds to me like you are trying to sound arrogant and pompous. Get it?
>>> > > grunge
>>> >
>>> > Ragged & rough, tending towards unclean
>>>
>>> BZZZT!
>>>
>>> Rock/punk based out of Seattle,Washington.
>>
>>No no no! Grunge is a way of life, and the music is just a tiny part of
>>it. It was a style of clothing before it got connected with latter-day
>>punk. Grunge occured when torn and dirty clothing and declining punk
>>culture became chic uptown.
>
>What? Every single word you just said is complete
>bullshit.
I'm afraid you're showing your age again. Just because you never heard
the term grunge before Kurt Cobaine does not mean you have any idea
where the term came from.
>I love it. I have some non-U.S. person preaching
>to me about U.S. culture. I simply love it. Now
>I'm just waiting for this wanker to explain to me
>the culture of the Southwest.
We used the term "grunge" in the late seventies in my area for the very
odd 'hangover' feeling you get the day after tripping on LSD. Patrick's
original 'ragged and rough, tending towards unclean' seemed absolutely
perfect, considering all the connotations we've heard so far.
>Patrick, you are an arrogant wanker, and nothing more.
Stephen, you aren't paying attention. Think harder.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:30:28 GMT
Said JS \ PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:55:11 -0400;
[...]
>Then do it. Due to the fact that no one company has ever and can never
>possess a monopoly on operating systems your perfectly free to NOT use
>Windows XP.
Please explain this "fact" again. Is this like the *fact* that you,
JS/PL, cannot tell the difference between a hardware and a software
failure? Or the *fact* that you are a sock puppet for the monopoly you
pretend 'can never' exist?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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