Linux-Advocacy Digest #298, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 12:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Peter Hayes)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Is Linux for me? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Peter Hayes)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Peter Hayes)
Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? ("Gary Hallock")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Carlie Coats)
Re: The Win/userbase! (Donn Miller)
Re: The Win/userbase! ("Tim Cain")
Re: The Win/userbase! (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" (pip)
Re: The Win/userbase! (pip)
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" (pip)
Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Michael Sims)
Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More microsoft innovation ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Peter Hayes)
Re: Virus Scanners... ("Ian Pegel")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:56:43 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:49:00 +0200, "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:37:56 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> > >"Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >> Who controls the content of these added links?
> > >
> > >The user.
> >
> > How do they do this?
>
> Read the SDK, and you'll know.
I'd imagine XP phones home and gets an updated list from Microsoft.
Want on the list? Pay Microsoft.
Peter
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:03:02 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>>
>> >> The US had radar, so a large, slow long range bomber would have been
>> >> spotted and shot down very quickly.
>> >>
>> >> -Ed
>> >
>> > True... the Japanese did have submarine lauchable planes however, but
>> > I'm not sure if they could've carried something as big and heavy as
>> > an A-bomb.
>>
>> Good lord! i didn't know such things existed.
>>
>> -Ed
>
> Yes, but I think it was a recon-only plane. It had foldable wings and
> landed on the the water. A search on Yahoo didn't really yield any good
> links.
Never mind. Thanks for having a look.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:05:08 GMT
"Tim Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> in article PHwW6.2113$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Daniel
> Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 6/15/01 7:17 PM:
[snip]
> > That is what happens when you view a web page. It is downloaded
> > to your computer, and displayed. It is the same way with PDF.
>
> Not really so. A web page is opened and displayed with a browser.
Yes.
> The PFD file is opened with a PDF reader application. different animals.
No. Adobe Acrobat reader for Windows opens them in the same
browser window you used to navigate there- just like a web
page.
Thought strictly speaking neither the PDF viewer nor the
HTML renderer are 'applications'.
[snip]
> >> which would merely displays the _file on my screen_ NOT a web page.
> >
> > A web page *is* a file, you know. It's not the same format
> > as PDF, but it's still a file.
>
> Certainly both are files. Handled differently by different applications.
Sort of. Does that mean that if I view your page with
Internet Explorer, it is a web page, but if I view it with
Netscape, it is not? Different applications, after all.
[snip]
> > That is not from the page whose URL is included
> > at the top of this message; it is from a previous page
> > which I refered to. This previous page is, indeed, in
> > HTML.
>
> READ the line just below the word snip up above. YOU agreed that that page
> WAS a PDF file ("Sure it was.") and now you say it isn't. Can't make up
> your mind or what?
As I said, we are talking of two different files, and
one is a PDF- the other isn't.
It's not that hard, really.
[snip]
> I have yet to see a web page that is a PDF. As I stated before, using a
plug
> in to display a _normally_ downloaded file doesn't make that file a web
> page.
PDF does support progressive display, just like HTML. It
really does owrk the same way.
> Not everybody adds all the plugins in the world you know. I removed my
Adobe
> one just so I wouldn't keep seeing files online.
You can get away with that better than you could
get away with building a PDF only browser that
does not understand HTML. That's because of
the popularity difference between the formats.
It is not because of some fundamental underlying
difference.
> So, once again I ask, show me a PDF web page. Something that opens in
> Netscape OR IE, or Omni Web or icab, no plugins required.
Hmm.. Would you argue that a web page with tables is not
really a web page, because not all browsers can display it
properly?
If you are just arguing that HTML has more widespread
support than PDF, then I agree- but I consider it irrelevant.
[snip]
> > It sounds to me like you just *define* "web page" to mean
> > "HTML file"; I think that's far too narrow. Web pages are
> > a user interface artifact; they are the things you see
> > in your browser. They do *not* have to be HTML.
>
> So show me a PDF web page that display in MY browser!
I am not responsible for the deficiencies of your
browser.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is Linux for me?
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:13:55 GMT
You should at least give linux a try. You might be able to reclaim
a few gigs of hard drive space if you have a few 500 meg games
or a bunch of 100 meg demos installed that you aren't playing much.
Making the whole transition at once could be painful in
moments when you just want to get something done quickly and
don't yet know how under linux. Of the applications you mentioned,
I think you're set *except* for a gui-html editor. I suspect windows
is solidly ahead in this category, though there are several for
linux you could try.
Jack Tripper wrote:
> I'm seriously considering moving my computer over to linux. I thought
> maybe redhat, since a fair number of people seem to use that and there
> would be plenty of support. I see good reasons why I should and
> shouldn't go to linux.
> I should because:
> I really don't like Windows. I'm tired of upgrading and upgrading and
> watching my computers get less and less stable.
> Maybe I shouldn't. though?
> I'm quite willing (and able, I think) to learn how to use Linux. I've
> used Unix OS before but just as a university student where the hardest
> thing I had to do was use PINE, or mv blim.wav sounds/stupid and stuff
> like that.
>
> I've read quite a bit about Linux, it seems to be quite a bit more
> stable, and the applications look configurable (to me). I mostly like
> to use my computer for internet stuff - writing web pages, random
> surfing, email, stuff like that. I also use it for mp3s.
>
> A few quick questions if anyone wishes to answer:
> How big are the varieties of Linux? (again, I'm thinking maybe redhat)
> Is there a nice GUI HTML interface program available for Linux?
> I know some people have both Windows AND Linux on their hard drives,
> using a partition. My hard drive is all but 8.4 megs. Should I even
> bother trying to keep Windows? I don't mind reformatting the whole
> hard drive, I have everything important backed up.
> Oh! And what are the word processing formats for Linux> .txt and .doc,
> for instance?
>
> Thanks a lot!
> <snip>
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:14:54 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:06:08 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> If I want to create a web browser that replaces all instances of macman with
> moron, I can do so, and there is no legal leg for you to stand on.
Wanna bet? Apart from copyright infringement there'll probably be a suit for
defamation on its way too.
I wonder how long it'll be after it goes "live" before someone does sue.
Five minutes?
Peter
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:23:16 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:28:17 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2001 16:42:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > It's strictly local to the machine viewing the page. The page on the
> >> > server IS NOT CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >>
> >> He never said it was.
> >>
> >> He said the pages are 'intercepted' and changed. Presumably by the
> >> browser.
> >
> >If that were true, then changing the fonts and colors is also
> >"intercepting and changing". Why is no one complaining about that????
>
> BECAUSE CHANGING THE RENDERING OF THE PAGE IS NOT ADDING CONTENT TO
> THE PAGE. WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKED UP THAT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS?????
> IF YOU COME UP WITH SUCH FUCKING IDIOCY ONCE MORE, YOU'RE IN MY
> FUCKING KILLFILE.
Yes, this is a fascinating study into how some people can so deliberately
not understand on purpose just to save face.
Either that or they're indulging in a wind-up.
Or maybe they *are* stupid. It should be obvious to anyone with two grey
cells to rub together that SmartTags are there to alter content as opposed
to presentation, and as such are in violation of the web-page author's
copyright, pure and simple.
Peter
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From: "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64?
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:40:27 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete
Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What for? The Linux desktop is _way_ behind Windows.
>
Does Windows have multple virtual desktops? Does Explorer allow you to
split the view both horizontally and vertically to look at multiple
directories at the same time? Does Explorer have seamless ftp access?
KDE does all this and more.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carlie Coats)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 16 Jun 2001 04:14:32 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley) writes:
:
: > On a mac---I couldn't speak about other loser systems---I upgrade the OS
: > on my machine by installing a new CD, hitting the "go" button, and coming
: > back twenty minutes later. All done and it just works.
: > I can NOT get that same ease of use when I want to upgrade to a new
: > computer. In that case I have to spend large amounts of time moving
: > material from the old computer to the new---but being careful to extract
: > only some of the data from these folders into the folders on the new
: > machine.
:
: Actually, I can envision putting together a "one button" hardware
: migration application for Linux pretty easily. Just connect the two
: machines via ethernet, pop a boot CD into the new machine and power
: on, choose the ethernet address of the other machine from a menu,
: maybe enter its root password or something, and in ten or fifteen
: minutes it clones the other machine's disk onto its own, reboots to
: run the hardware configuration script (Kudzu), and (with some luck)
: you are done. The components are all there, they just need to be
: packaged. This is usually the situation with Linux software, all the
: hard parts are there but the easy/boring/tedious part never gets done.
: But the commercial distributions are getting on the ball in this
: respect.
:
: I think I'll suggest this to Redhat...
It's called "kickstart" and RedHat did in fact come up with it.
Itis widely used for making multiple clones of a "starter" machine
in corporate environments -- see
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/KickStart-HOWTO.html
for the docs...
-- Carlie Coats
NCSC
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:46:02 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Pete Goodwin wrote:
advantage of Windows security is that there isn't any. Security
> doesn't get in the way, like it can do on Linux.
Ah, but Win XP *will* have security features that Windows 98/ME lacks,
so the playing field will be leveled somewhat. Also, XP is going to be
a much higher quality OS than 98 is. The disadvantage is, potentially,
this whole registration issue that I've been hearing about. But, I
won't know until I see it, so I'll say nothing more about the topic.
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From: "Tim Cain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:21:15 +0100
Charlie Ebert wrote in message ...
>
[snip "War and Peace"]
>
To summarise:
The user is a buffoon, and you are a proselytizing bore.
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:11:58 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> > Better than this, perhaps you might as well tell us all what we
> > can do to make Windows safer. Show me what I should have said
> > to this USER.
>
> Simple:
>
> 1) Never run any untrusted EXE or ActiveX control.
>
> 2) Don't use Microsoft's EMail client - use one that doesn't support VB
> scripts.
>
> > I'll give you 1,000 sheets of paper and the next 10 years to
> > come up with something.
>
> I just came up with two simple rules, Charlie. They work very well for
> me.
>
> --
> Pete
Add to those rules :
3) Never run MSWord (macro virus)
4) Never run Excel (macro virus)
5) Never run IE
6) Don't connect to the internet
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:26:31 +0100
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > You aren't familiar with bug compatability problems, are you?
> >
> > Perhaps rather than phrasing a question you can simply explain what you
> > mean rather than trying to be smug.
>
> Programs depend on spesific behaviour on the side of the API. It's most
> apperant in Java, where minor subtelities in the behaviour of the API from
> one JVM to another can break the program.
> Bug compatability means that the API doesn't work as it should, and programs
> *relies* on this bug to work.
> When this bug get fixed, the program breaks.
I see what you mean. At the end of the day - if a program relies on
buggy behavior then it is simple wrong - and therefore must be corrected
when the library gets fixed. Saying that a buggy library released to
soon that then forms serious dependencies should not get fixed the right
way is asking for trouble and more complications. Beside - breaking
programs is the quickest way to get them fixed. And I meant that with
sincerity. Of course this may not be such a good deal in closed source
mind you.
wtr Java as you bring it up I think that you are referring to many of
the issue with pre-Java 2 changes. Java 2 (jdk 1.2 + ) is Sun putting a
stick in the ground and saying to developers "you can rely on these
api's : the testing is over". Before that time there were quite a few
evolutionary changes taking place to make Java better. Of course
programmers such as myself were well aware of this and able to update
any code until the final standard was in place. Now the interfaces are
pretty much fixed and only extra functionality and bug fixes are being
added. As for any Java program that relies on a broken VM : I have not
seen any examples of this. Having a look at the bug parade you will spot
"work arounds" for various VM issues, but these are really the same
thing : it's broken! And if it's broken then you are left with only two
choices. Same as 'dll's.
Anyway, the consensus of this thread (if I am reading it right) is that
people acknowledge that there can be obvious problems with dll's
(.so's), and the way Windows deals with it sucks. Also the way Linux
deals with it sucks - but sucks considerably less than windows. In the
end it is down to app land programmers to make sure that they don't make
a mess and for developers to really make sure that they can rely on the
stability of the lib's that they use.
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:29:08 +0100
Charles Lyttle wrote:
> Add to those rules :
> 3) Never run MSWord (macro virus)
> 4) Never run Excel (macro virus)
> 5) Never run IE
> 6) Don't connect to the internet
You can simple change the preferences on ALL the above programs to make
things safer than the default settings. I do not see your point.
Beside in MSWord/Excel you even have to positively ALLOW macros when you
open up documents.
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:33:25 +0100
pip wrote:
>
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> [snip agreeable stuff]
>
> > Static linking has problems too, BTW, just a different set of them.
>
> How so ? If I link to my own static lib or link to another static lib -
> at least I know it will work.
btw don't answer that (doh!)- I forgot the obvious in terms of the extra
RAM usage rather than a shared RAM image.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Sims)
Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ???
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:22:52 GMT
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:54:46 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> Some of us might not know wtf an mx record is, yet be capable of looking it up.
>>
>>
>http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/glossary/lookup?term=Mail%20exchange%20record%20(MX%20record)
>
>All I get is "Document not found"
Your newsreader probably sees the open parenthesis as the end of the
URL, like mine (Forte Agent). If you select the entire URL, copy it,
and paste it into your address line it will work.
=====================================================================
Michael Sims
mhsims at midsouth dot rr dot com
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
=====================================================================
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64?
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:28:20 +0200
"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Does Explorer have seamless ftp access?
Yes.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:37:41 +0200
"Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:41:30 +0200, "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Dan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If I wanted links to send people to differnt places in my page, I
> > would
> > > > > provide them. IF I dont, I dont want some third party sending
people
> > to
> > > > > places I have no control over.
> > > >
> > > > But it's not about you. It's about the *user*. We don't expect
you
> > > > to anticipate *every* thing that I might be interested in.
> > > >
> > >
> > > It IS about me, and my web page. -I- should be able to decide what is
on
> > > my page, not micro$oft. And, maybe I dont care what you are interested
> > > in. Maybe I only care about my particular message.
> > >
> >
> > Why should *you* decide? Why should *I* decide? It's displayed on *my*
> > system, I want those SmartTags, what right do you have to not allow me
them?
> > And if I want to use the MS stock tags, what right do you have to tell
me
> > not to?
>
> Because the whole concept is censorship in its worst form.
>
> It may be "your system" but what you choose to display is the copyright of
> the owner of the site you're displaying, and nobody has any right, moral
or
> legal, to alter the contents of that site by any means whatsoever.
Like removing graphics? Sounds? JavaScript?
> Adding
> third-party links outwith the control of the site owner is altering the
> contents of the site and whether you want these links or not is not for
you
> to decide, but for the site owner to decide.
>
> If some script kiddie had come up with a ploy like this to redirect people
> away from microsoft.com [1] there'd be all hell let loose, the FBI would
be
> on the case within the hour, and the poor sod would be put away for years.
> So why is it suddenly all right when Microsoft do it?
>
> [1] as in "defacing the site".
Sorry, but this isn't defacing the site.
I've Babylon running, and this let me run a search on every word that it
has. This include searching in a search engine, and can easily be extended
to stock options.
Now, they allow users to have write their own dictonaries. And include
hyperlinks in the dictonary.
I can create a dictonary that links the world Linux to cancer research, and
GPL to virus.com, does Babylon somehow deface sites?
IE6 does what Babylon does, but with a different aim, it doesn't aim at
translations, it aim at giving the user more information.
How come it's so bad? It's the user's choice to use it or not, and it's the
user's choice what smart tags s/he wants.
Yes, MS provides a stock of smart tags, they:
A> Have no *hint* to all the concpiracy theories that I've seen.
B> Can be removed/changed/replaced.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:38:27 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:46:44 GMT, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <9gdm1k$35d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Sure. It should be something that you can _choose_ to install. It should
> > > not be installed by default.
> >
> > It's off by default.
>
> In this version.
>
> When does the option get turned on by default? When does the option to
> turn it off disappear?
>
>
> > > AND, it should not be something that a monopoly controls. Even if you
> > > choose to install it, it's unethical (at best) for Microsoft to be able
> > > to create the smart links where they could create a link to their own
> > > site every time the word "Macintosh" appears or a link to the American
> > > Cancer Society every time Linux appears or other shenanigans.
> >
> > All MS does is to supply a stock of words for the smart tags.
> > You, and anybody else, can add your own.
> > Cool off with the paranoia.
>
> I can add my own to my own browser but not to anyone else's.
> The initial stock of words and URLs is determined by Microsoft ... not
> by the web page author.
And I expect this initial stock of words will very rapidly be updated every
time you go on the net.
It's all falling into place. Product authentication, not just to prevent
piracy but to identify you, your browsing habits, what words to update your
list with, so that when you click on Joe's Autos you get offered a link to
Acme Motors, outwith the control and wishes of Joe's Autos.
The next step will be every time you click on a link, or hover over a
squiggly line or however it's implemented, XP will call home to get the
Microsoft approved list of links that are to be displayed.
Then in IE7 will be the function to block links altogether and substitute
alternative Microsoft approved links.
Paranoid? Possibly, but where Microsoft's involved anything's possible. XP
product authentication is bad enough, this SmartTag business is many times
more insidious, in fact it imposes a threat to the very viability of the Web
itself. If you can't trust even the links on a site what can you trust?
99.999% of users won't be able to tell the difference, which is precisely
what Microsoft is banking on.
And don't claim SmartTags will be off by default, it won't be long before
they're on by default, then the option will be removed altogether.
Peter
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From: "Ian Pegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Virus Scanners...
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:41:56 +0100
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9gevou$fej$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mig wrote:
....<SNIP>
> Linux has none nor will it ever have a virus scanner.
> Linux doesn't need a virus scanner.
>
> If you design your OS correctly you don't need such
> nonsense.
Come on Charlie! Linux is good, but it does not walk on water (yet!).
I had a co-hosted webserver set up for me by an alleged professional ISP and
within a week it was hacked.
What was it running?
Why, Linux of course.
ANY OS can be compromised no matter what the security. Forget that at your
peril.
Ian
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:42:15 +0200
"Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:06:08 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > If I want to create a web browser that replaces all instances of macman
with
> > moron, I can do so, and there is no legal leg for you to stand on.
>
> Wanna bet? Apart from copyright infringement there'll probably be a suit
for
> defamation on its way too.
Actually, if he creates a mechanism in which a browser can replace a word in
another, and someone else does this macman/moron thing, he is probably safe
from lawsuit.
If he supplied the macman/moron himself, then he can be expected to be sued.
> I wonder how long it'll be after it goes "live" before someone does sue.
>
> Five minutes?
Until it's noticed, may take a while.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:42:39 +0200
"Tim Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Using a plugin opens the PDF inside the browser.
> >
> >
>
> Which still doesn't make the PDF file a web page.
>
No, but it makes it a lot like it.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:44:56 +0200
"Tim Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], drsquare at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 6/16/01 8:44 AM:
>
> > On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:37:56 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> >> "Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >>> Who controls the content of these added links?
> >>
> >> The user.
> >
> > How do they do this?
>
> Contact M$, pay some money... you get the picture right?
No, go to microsoft.com, download the SmartTag SDK, read, write, you're
done.
If you don't feel like going to microsoft.com, get it here:
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10091-100-5712776.html
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