Interesting tirade. What bugs me about the "win-printers" is that they
don't TELL you they're brain-dead.You can infer it from the price (if it's a
laser printer for $400CDN, it's probably a winprinter). All the salesman (or
the mfr website) will tell you is "none of these printers will work with
Linux - they don't have a driver for it"). Aarrgghhh! I'd like to make up a
bunch of stickers that say "Linux Compatible" (like the "Win95 Compatible"
stickers) and surreptuously put them on printers and modems that work with
Linux.
At least the win-modems are usually adentified as such.
> ----------
> From: Tony Nugent[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 5:50 AM
> To: Linux Applications Email List
> Subject: Re: dial up connection
>
> winmodems are cheap, nastry and brain dead by design, and only work
> with windoe$ drivers. They were a bad idea right from the start, god
> knows why they became so popular, even with the manufacturers. (I
> would personally be embarrassed to be associated with those things
> were I a hardware producer). Throw them away, they are worthless bits
> of junk.
>
> Unfortunately they are now doing the same with printers... making
> them brain-dead and cpu/operating system dependent. Sure, the result
> is a cheap and short-term-affordable shiny new piece of hardware for
> your computer, but you get what you pay for - mindless, useless bits
> of junk that suck power off your motherboard and don't actually do
> much of any use without using a propriatory driver that only works
> with a particular version of a propriatory and unreliable operating
> system, and does so by denigrating the overall performance and
> capability of the rest of your system.
>
> The motto is: winmodem? you loose.
>
> Get yourselves a real true-blue haydes-compatable modem. That way
> you'll have something that will always work with standard software for
> any operating system you care to use now and well into the future.
>
> [Mind you, I recall noticing something on freshmeat a few months ago
> about someone attempting to write a linux driver for these things,
> but I have no idea on the status of that. Bad, bad idea anyway, so
> I wouldn't encourange anyone to follow this up.]
>
> Sorry for the bad news, but now you all know.
>
> Can we drop this subject now? :) Next problem...
>
> On Fri Oct 08 1999 at 11:03, Soeren Friis-Nielsen wrote:
>
> > I have the exact same problem! I use Debian 2.1 with kernel 2.2.x. I get
> > to the part where I have just verified my username and passwd and then
> I'm
> > disconnected. This happens using kppp. If I use dunc and then starts
> pppd
> > manually it doesn't happen but I don't seem to be able to use my ppp
> > connection...
> >
> > On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Kirchner, Eric C. wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:38:43 -0500
> > > From: "Kirchner, Eric C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: dial up connection
> > >
> > > Can someone give me some advice on how to diagnose the problems i am
> having
> > > connecting to my ISP in RH 6.0
> > >
> > > it is a PPP connection, and they claim that all that is needed is the
> name
> > > and passwd... they said they dont know how to do it in Linux. i
> connect
> > > fine in windows..
> > > The modem appears to make a connection (i hear the beeps and buzzes
> then
> > > silence)... 30 seconds after it "connects" it will just disconnect..
> is
> > > there a way to login totally manually (like i used to be able to do in
> dos
> > > based termainal programs ) is this a possible problem with my modem
> being a
> > > win modem? I want to say it is a cirrus modem, but i am not sure and
> dont
> > > have that information in front of me (i apologize for that)...
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
>
> Cheers
> Tony
>
