On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 22:37, Dan Hollis wrote: > i think its possible to get your point across without being a dick. > > sadly, you didn't do it.
I always don't, you should already know that, i'm known for that ;) > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Marek Peteraj wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 13:17, Dave Griffiths wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 21:11, Marek Peteraj wrote: > > > > What linux audio offers is > > > > technology. No comfort at all. Right now it's all just academic > > > > software. > > > > > > This, and the lack of marketing departments is exactly why I am here. > > > > > > I don't want to see linux apps turning into slickly hyped lifestyle > > > products like the rest of the music software business. We should push > > > the advantages we have, > > > > What advantages? Free as in beer? > > > > > rather than follow the path of steinberg etc... > > > > But you guys *are* following proprietary software in general. Ardour is > > a DAW just like cubase is, while SSM resembles reaktor in its > > philosophy. LADSPAs are plugins like VSTs are, etc etc etc. There's > > nothing which is perfectly original. > > > > I've never seen such inapt community btw, which is totally ignorant in > > organizing itself. See the gnome community which started to exist the > > same year. They have more conferences per year, one of them being > > huge(guadec) with sponsors, larger companies involved, and *most* of > > *all* they're a centralised community. > > > > What we have is tons of links and no information. Although there are > > some very good standards which could be successful even in another > > domain(e.g. jack), nobody cares to promote them. > > > > Lots of LADders even think that this mailing list isn't really > > important. Nobody cares that it actually represents a pretty central > > meeting point for developers interested in linux audio, and a perfect > > knowledgebase. > > > > We also have an organisation, which isn't really an organisation since > > it's not a legal entity, and about 2/3rds of all don't seem to even > > participate. And that organisation seems to have different goals than > > promoting and protecting linux audio in *general*, *whether* pro or not, > > i.e. the linux audio community. > > > > Centralising information and provoding easy access is a pretty good way > > to promote linux audio so that it reaches more developers and users, you > > don't need marketing hype for that. No matter if it concerns linux audio > > in general or ladspa plugins. > > > > The gnome community already provides that, the kde community aswell. > > Heck, there's even a linuxprinting.org community. Do i need to say more? > > > > > > > > Personally speaking, as a free software developer I don't care if my > > > programs are deemed as sucessful, they work for me, and handful of other > > > people - this makes me happy :) > > > > I'd like to see what other developers of the most popular linux audio > > projects think. Because if they share your opinion, i'd rather save some > > bucks and buy myself a mac. > > Linux audio is perfectly unusable for me. Currently. > > > > Marek > > > >