On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 01:40, Dave Robillard wrote: > On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 18:26, Marek Peteraj wrote: > > I've never seen such inapt community btw, which is totally ignorant in > > organizing itself. See the gnome community which started to exist the > > same year. They have more conferences per year, one of them being > > huge(guadec) with sponsors, larger companies involved, and *most* of > > *all* they're a centralised community. > > > > What we have is tons of links and no information. Although there are > > some very good standards which could be successful even in another > > domain(e.g. jack), nobody cares to promote them. > > > > Lots of LADders even think that this mailing list isn't really > > important. Nobody cares that it actually represents a pretty central > > meeting point for developers interested in linux audio, and a perfect > > knowledgebase. > > > > We also have an organisation, which isn't really an organisation since > > it's not a legal entity, and about 2/3rds of all don't seem to even > > participate. And that organisation seems to have different goals than > > promoting and protecting linux audio in *general*, *whether* pro or not, > > i.e. the linux audio community. > > > > Centralising information and provoding easy access is a pretty good way > > to promote linux audio so that it reaches more developers and users, you > > don't need marketing hype for that. No matter if it concerns linux audio > > in general or ladspa plugins. > > What exactly is preventing you (yes, YOU, Marek Peteraj) from "promoting > linux audio in *general*" etc. etc.? Not much that I can see. I don't > want to speak on behalf of anyone here; but I'm sure there are plenty of > people here who DON'T CARE. ie me. I don't care if every idiot who'se > ever bought an Electronic Musician magazine uses LAD software. I don't > want to waste my time letting them know about it. You do? Fantastic, > then shut up and do it already. > > All the other super communities you love that are so much better than > LAD can have their conferences, sponsors, "larger companies", "legal > identities" and whatever other stupid MBA-speak you've come up with. I > just kinda like hacking FOSS audio stuff, whether or not it jives with > your plan for world domination or not. > > > > Personally speaking, as a free software developer I don't care if my > > > programs are deemed as sucessful, they work for me, and handful of other > > > people - this makes me happy :) > > > > I'd like to see what other developers of the most popular linux audio > > projects think. Because if they share your opinion, i'd rather save some > > bucks and buy myself a mac. > > Linux audio is perfectly unusable for me. Currently. > > > > Marek > > I would like to personally apologize for not dedicating my free time to > making you happy. This is the linux audio DEVELOPERS list, and it's > just that, a mailing list for developers. Just a bunch of people with a > common interest. > > Want the easy route out? Want to just go buy a Mac and get some spiffy > music making programs and be on your way? Then do it! Oh so sorry the > free ride didn't work out for you, better luck next time. If you want a > plug-in-and-drool computer, you're not running the right OS. > > Suggestions are good, ideas are good, discussion is good. Bitching and > moaning that "Linux audio is perfectly unusable for me", and implying > that somehow everyone on this list needs to make it their goal in life > to spend all their _free time_ making a bunch of nameless random idiots > happy is not good. Especially when you don't make a single valid > suggestion while doing so. > > (My apoligies to all for the ESR style 'self appointed voice of the > community' crap...) > > > -DR- (Who debated hitting "send" on this one for a good 5 minutes) >
Point taken. Marek