Here's the long and the short of it...if Human Resource departments were
staffed with Linux/IT professionals, then certification would be a moot
point. The fact is, most HR depts are staffed with folks who have
trouble navigating Windoze. These are the people in an enterprise
operation who are going to do the initial screening of resumes.
Certification makes candidates stand out from the crowd.
Certification does not relieve the employer of the burden of critically
evaluating the real abilities of their potential employees, but it does
make the process much easier for them by providing a self-selected group
of individuals who ostensibly enjoy and have ability in a given
technical field.
Jared
Marcus Green wrote:
>
> Ken Lund said
>
> All of the Companies that I would want to work for hire "TALENT" not
> certificates... So a certification really does not hold a lot of water,
> it is
> just an indicator of the talented person's commitment to that subject
> area.
>
> Marcus responded
> In my experience recruitment is not done by technical people but by
> personnell people. The initial sifting of resumes is
> done on the basis of certificaiton. Its an ass covering exercise. If the
> person turns out to be hopeless then they can at least
> say "but she was certified". It is less arguable than "she interviewed
> well". In an ideal world the people doing the selection
> would be familiar with the technology.
>
> Ken Lund said
> Microsoft does not hire MCSE's.
>
> Marcus responded
> Cos they are in the business of writing software (allegedly) not in the
> installation/support business.
>
> Ken Lund said
> Why do you think that is? They hire talent!
> That is what has created the company today. Agree or not with
> Microsoft's direction
> they are still, and will be for a while, the dominating force in the
> commercial
> computing world.
>
> Marcus responded
> Yep, and have you noticed how few Microsofts are around?. I think billg
> is smart to get em young, cheap, impressionable and
> most of all talented. It's probably the way recruitment should be done,
> hire a person not a set of qualifications. After all drive, brains,
> talent, curiosity are what really count. But now imagine you are a non
> technical personnel individual faced with two resumes. One from someone
> who says they are smart and one who has a bit of paper from
>
> Sun/Microsoft/Novell/LinuxCertsUnlimited
>
> Who gets the interview...?
>
> Ken Lund said
> With the advent of Linux coupled with all the GNU tools, that have been
> developed over a number of years, we could be entering into another
> level in
> computing in the commercial market. Microsoft created the MCSE and the
> market
> for it. Do we have to follow suit? Or is their maybe a better, more
> elegant,
> solution to hiring talented people?
>
> Marcus responded
> This is not a technical problem, it is a perception and people problem.
> If you develop a certification plan, the cluefree will cling to it to
> justify hiring decision. If you don't like this you probably shouldn't
> be involved with any certificaiton plans. It's sad but if its successful
> it will happen.
>
> I don't know the answers, but I do know there has to be a better way
> then
> "certification" or at least a very different approach to certification.
>
> Marcus responded
> Me neither.
>
> Let me know if I'm just an idealist or if we can actually change and
> "think
>
> Marcus responded
> Your an idealist and I've taken too many stupid industry certifications
> and followed this same
> circular debate since passing the CNE exam in 1992. Before I took the
> CNE I couldn't spell Programer, now I are one.
>
> Marcus
> Now can I plug my fabulous all free non commercial Java Programmer
> Certification site with exam simulators, FA,Q tutorials and the kind of
> stuff I fancy porting to a Linux certification when the moment arrives.
> Roll up roll up to
>
> http://www.software.u-net.com
>
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