On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:36 PM,  <alain.mou...@bull.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> on RHEL6, I have :
>  cat /etc/sysconfig/pacemaker
> # Variables for running child daemons under valgrind and/or checking for
> memory problems
> #export G_SLICE=always-malloc
> #export MALLOC_PERTURB_=221 # or 0
> #export MALLOC_CHECK_=3     # or 0,1,2
> #export HA_valgrind_enabled=yes
> #export HA_valgrind_enabled=cib,crmd
> #export HA_callgrind_enabled=yes
> #export HA_callgrind_enabled=cib,crmd
> #export VALGRIND_OPTS="--leak-check=full --trace-children=no
> --num-callers=25 --log-file=/tmp/pacemaker-%p.valgrind"
>
> # Variables that control logging
> #export PCMK_trace_functions=
> #export PCMK_trace_formats=
> #export PCMK_trace_files=

Comma separated list of files/functions

>
> !!!
> Alain
>
>
>
> De :    Dejan Muhamedagic <deja...@fastmail.fm>
> A :     General Linux-HA mailing list <linux-ha@lists.linux-ha.org>
> Date :  22/11/2011 13:18
> Objet : Re: [Linux-HA] Antw:  What about "start-delay" attribute status ?
> Envoyé par :    linux-ha-boun...@lists.linux-ha.org
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 08:17:28AM +0100, alain.mou...@bull.net wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> By the way, is there a description somewhere of parameters from
>> /etc/sysconfig/pacemaker ?
>
> To the best of my knowledge, there is only LRMD_MAX_CHILDREN.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dejan
>
>> Thanks
>> Alain
>>
>>
>>
>> De :    Dejan Muhamedagic <deja...@fastmail.fm>
>> A :     General Linux-HA mailing list <linux-ha@lists.linux-ha.org>
>> Date :  21/11/2011 15:48
>> Objet : Re: [Linux-HA] Antw:  What about "start-delay" attribute status
> ?
>> Envoyé par :    linux-ha-boun...@lists.linux-ha.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 03:07:43PM +0100, alain.mou...@bull.net wrote:
>> > Thanks Dejan,
>> > ok I understand, so we have to choose between a small value of
>> > LRMD_MAX_CHILDREN
>> > and on start, stop, or status of 64 resources it will take a while ...
>
>> > and a big value of LRMD_MAX_CHILDREN and then either the start, stop
> and
>> > at best, status will be achieved very quickly as they are parallelized
>
>> or
>> > at
>> > worst the system will be "on knees" ...
>> > We'll give it a try ... as I have big computers ;-)
>>
>> Just note that you should try to think of every possible
>> combination of resource operations. For instance, imagine 64 Xen
>> VMs trying to start in parallel. Better be conservative than
>> to push your nodes to their limit.
>>
>> > But my question is now : when you write :
>> > "Let me just add that operations which were supposed to
>> > start at the same time get spaced out."
>> > So if LRMD_MAX_CHILDREN=4, that means that if ask for start on 32
>> > resources at the
>> > same time, Pacemaker will mange 4, delay the remaing 28, manage 4
> again,
>>
>> > etc. so
>> > it will be completed in 8 shots, right ?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> > But what is the delay value between each shot ?
>>
>> There is none. As soon as one operation finishes, another one
>> gets started. Now, if you have say four big RDBMS instances
>> starting and each of them takes five minutes or so, the other
>> resources will obviously stay in the queue for five minutes.
>>
>> Anyway, you can see for yourself on cluster start, just grep
>> your logs for lrmd:.*rsc:, it should show you all timestamps
>> when certain operation was started (apart from recurring
>> monitors).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dejan
>>
>> > Thanks
>> > Alain
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > De :    Dejan Muhamedagic <deja...@fastmail.fm>
>> > A :     General Linux-HA mailing list <linux-ha@lists.linux-ha.org>
>> > Date :  21/11/2011 13:45
>> > Objet : Re: [Linux-HA] Antw:  What about "start-delay" attribute
> status
>> ?
>> > Envoyé par :    linux-ha-boun...@lists.linux-ha.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 01:42:15PM +0100, alain.mou...@bull.net wrote:
>> > > Hi Florian,
>> > > ok I've checked the thread, so that means that on RHEL6 , if I have
>> > let's
>> > > say 32 resources groups of 2 primitives on
>> > > each node, I can set the LRMD_MAX_CHILDREN environment variable in
>> > > /etc/sysconfig/pacemaker to 64 ?
>> >
>> > The number of resources shouldn't be the main criteria for
>> > setting this parameter, but what can your nodes handle without
>> > being overloaded. So, 64 sounds sounds like you have some really
>> > big computers :) It also depends on the nature of the cluster
>> > resources. The default of 4 is rather conservative, perhaps
>> > nowadays 8 would be better.
>> >
>> > > Is it acceptable for lrmd and Pacemaker ? Or will we face any
>> > side-effect
>> > > ?
>> >
>> > LRMD_MAX_CHILDREN is the maximum number of resource operations
>> > allowed to run in parallel. Hope that that answers your question.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Dejan
>> >
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Alain
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > De :    Florian Haas <flor...@hastexo.com>
>> > > A :     General Linux-HA mailing list <linux-ha@lists.linux-ha.org>
>> > > Date :  21/11/2011 12:58
>> > > Objet : Re: [Linux-HA] Antw:  What about "start-delay" attribute
>> status
>> > ?
>> > > Envoyé par :    linux-ha-boun...@lists.linux-ha.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 11/21/11 13:03, alain.mou...@bull.net wrote:
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > > yes that's exactly the purpose of my question (and exactly the
> same
>> > > > problem of "big-monitoring-trains")  :
>> > > > if we can always use start-delay to ramdomize the first monitor
>> > > operation
>> > > > time on all the resources on a server,
>> > > > but if it is really deprecated, that means that in the future this
>
>> > > option
>> > > > will no more
>> > > > be managed by Pacemaker (perhaps it already is the case ... ?) ,
> so
>> in
>> >
>> > > > this case
>> > > > we must not use this option.
>> > > >
>> > > > Could someone give us a clear status on this option "start-delay"
> ?
>> > >
>> > > If your RA needs it, then the RA is most likely broken. :)
>> > >
>> > > For monitor operations allegedly piling up, please consider this:
>> > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linuxha/pacemaker/76152#76152
>> > >
>> > > Hope this helps.
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Florian
>> > >
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