Linux-Hardware Digest #616, Volume #9 Wed, 10 Mar 99 02:13:29 EST
Contents:
Re: I want to build a junk machine (Allen)
RedHat 5.2, Enscript and HP LJ 5L ("Cheng C. Yeh")
Re: Dual Processors (Allen)
laptop: add APM, lose PCMCIA NIC! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is my hard drive dying? (Eric Lee Green)
Re: Linux and a 8088 (Paul Hovnanian)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Tomasz Korycki)
Re: optra e+ (Grant Taylor)
Re: artec 6000c scanner (George Nemeyer)
Re: Sound card ALS120 (George Nemeyer)
Re: Is my hard drive dying? (Ted Staberow)
A couple of X related observations ("teknokr@t")
Re: WinFast S320 AGP driver (jose)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen)
Subject: Re: I want to build a junk machine
Date: 10 Mar 1999 03:34:42 GMT
Not sure what you current budget is, but DON'T spend any money on this for parts
that you can't re-use in a better system down the road, as this pile of spare
parts isn't really worth it? (perhaps as a dedcated Linux router/firewall
maybe?)
Start by looking at the application end of it...What do you need or want
this machine to be able to do? If you really need to hammer nails, then "any
old saw" won't really do the job, no matter how much you spend to have it
sharpened...
I build, and have built many low cost machinesas a hobby, and for non-profit
organizations, and I think I may be ready to throw away stuff more advanced that
that, 'cause the support overhead just isn't worth the time it takes to get it
running. Email me if you want specific recommendations, as I've found many
sources for "near Trailing Edge" but still usable parts, that will work well
without the headaches.
On 28 Feb 1999 00:16:19 -0500, Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
> This is definitely in the "for those with too much time on their
> hands".
>
> I've got some bits spare and I want to build a cheap machine
> ("junkie") to be my software lab. Since my current machine runs all
> the time and has my webserver, shell accounts for friends etc it's
> quite upsetting when I break things badly on it.
>
> What I've got is :
>
> Pentium Classic, 75MHz. Not overclockable even to 90MHz.
> 64MB junk no-name non parity RAM in 4 72 pin 70 ns SIMMS.
> Totally crap Samtron 15" SVGA high-res monitor (1024x768@60Hz).
> 1 MB Avance Logic PCI graphics card (ALG2303-ALG1300/1)
> Aztech Waverider Pro32-3d soundcard (some kind of Soundblaster
> clone)
> Adaptech 8-bit non-interrupt driven (I think) SCSI adaptor (AVA-1502AE)
>
> As you can see, it's all junk, total crap, real garbage
> (particularly that SCSI card). However it all works with Linux (to
> some degree) and it's all here in my apartment.
>
> What I'd like are suggestions to allow me to a) make a machine out
> of these bits and b) network it to my real machine (mihalis) which
> is a little (not much) better. Obviously it's not worth spending
> lots of money on other bits to reuse these seeing as performance
> wont be critical, I just want the good value basic stuff.
>
> The minimum then is :
>
> Socket 7 motherboard, tower case, power supply, floppy drive, hard
> disk, keyboard, mouse.
>
> Also eventually it would need
>
> PCI network card, "decent" SCSI card
>
> although I might postpone those bits for the time being.
>
> The ultimate aim is get a hub so I can network junkie, mihalis and
> also my old NeXT cube together over simple UTP but that will be a
> way off!
>
> I've spent a bit of time looking at various sites but most of the
> package deals make you buy a cpu. Conversely if you just add up all
> the bits as separate purchases, it starts to come out rather
> uncompetitive even without a cpu.
>
> I would love to hear any and all suggestions (individual components
> on up to web sites you think I should get the whole kit and caboodle
> at).
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
Allen
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onespoiler, and of course, delete the bogus secondary domain of nospam.)
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:16:20 -0500
From: "Cheng C. Yeh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: RedHat 5.2, Enscript and HP LJ 5L
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone had ran into this problem and found a
solution. I have a perfectly good running system based on Red Hat 5.2
with SMP, 2.0.36 kernel; recently upgraded to 2.2.2 kernel.
I have an HP LaserJet 5L printer connected to /dev/lp0 and I am using
the LaserJet 4/5/6 printer filter. Everthing works fine, I can print
with lpr and stuff. However when I tries to print with enscript, the
printer doesn't eject the page. I can see that data are being sent to
the printer because the light is flashing but no matter how many pages I
print, I don't get any output. After print job is complete, I press the
form feed button and all I get is one page, the first page.
Has anyone else ran into this probem?
Thanks,
Cheng
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen)
Subject: Re: Dual Processors
Date: 10 Mar 1999 04:00:39 GMT
Ideally, they need to be what's called a "matched pair", which means they need
to be of the same stepping and revision, and preferable of the same die lot.
Most vendors that sell Dual CPU boards will know this, and even some of the
places that only sell CPU's and RAM will know what you're needing if you tell
them it is for a dual CPU system. If they don't, then chances are, you don't
need to be buying from them.
Also, in order to compile SMP support into any 2.0.x kernel, you will have to
manually edit the file /usr/src/linux/Makefile to uncomment out the "# SMP=1"
line... may also need to use "make bzImage" later on in the process, instead of
the "make zImage", as adding SMP support will increase the size of the kernel,
and zImage may fil with a "kernel too big" error if you don't. Kernel versions
2.2.x won't need the manual edit, but may still need the bzip substitution.
(I'm still at SMP RH 5.2/ 2.0.36, so I haven't tried that yet)
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:32:18 GMT, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I want to build a Box with Duals in it but i don't know anything about
>doing it. I found the tomcat v cheap.
>
>Now the problem is everyone is telling me the i have to be real carefull
>when i buy the cpu's. Quote " they have to be made one after another".
>Now that is Nut!!
>
>What do i really have to worry about. Same Mhz, maybe Rev level.
>
>I search DejaNews but i can't find anything.
>
>thx
>
>mike
Allen
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onespoiler, and of course, delete the bogus secondary domain of nospam.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: laptop: add APM, lose PCMCIA NIC!
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:03:06 GMT
I recently installed RH 5.2 on my laptop without any problems. I had to
install via network PC card, so PCMCIA works fine, but after recompiling the
kernel for APM, I lose my PCMCIA capability.
I read over the PCMCIA howto and recompiled/reinstalled cardmgr, but the
network card modules just refuse to load properly. I don't have the exact
error message, but I have a feeling this has something to do with the
location of the pcmcia modules. Redhat puts them in /lib/modules by default.
I've been moving the old /lib/modules/2.0.36-0.7 before
recompiling/installing the new modules, could this be the problem?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
Sorry for the vagueness--I'm working with a Toshiba laptop and a linksys
network card. I'll try to come up with the exact error message.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Lee Green)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is my hard drive dying?
Date: 10 Mar 1999 03:59:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 09 Mar 1999 23:19:50 GMT, Michael Riffle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I go to the datacenter, and the hard drive indicator light is on. But
>I can't pull up a login prompt or anything at the console. Screen is
>blank.
>
>I reboot, and fsck finds and fixes a bunch of things.
>
>I check /var/log/messages and see :
>
>kernel: EXT2-fs error (device 03:03): ext2_find_entry: bad entry in
>directory # 890265: rec_len % 4 != 0 - offset=252, inode=1869902965,
>rec_len=11886, name_len=26983
>
>I actually see this repeated a LOT in the /var/log/messages file.
>It's been going on for 3 days, I just didn't notice. I saw one
>timestamped right when the system locked up.
>
>Anyway, my question is: is my hard drive going kaput? I've actually
>seen file system corruption the last 3 or 4 times I've restarted the
>machine... but I always figured it was because it wasn't shut down
>properly.
The first thing I would check would be to see whether your fan has locked
up. I have seen drives freeze up like this because the power supply fan
went kaput and the hard drive literally baked to death.
If that's the case, the hard drive is probably on its last legs after all
that torture. If not... well... it still sounds like your hard drive
is on its last legs :-(. Sorry I couldn't give you any good news there :-(.
--
Eric Lee Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux-hw.com/~eric
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you.
Then you win." -- Ghandi
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From: Paul Hovnanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and a 8088
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:07:41 -0800
> Blake Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys, I thought I'd run this one through the group and see if anyone
> > had any ideas. I've got this old Compaq portable which I believe to be an
> > 8088 (but it could be a 286). Anyway, my question is what micro
> > distribution to put on it. I've checked out LOAF, Tom's, muLinux,
> > DOSLinux, etc, etc. They all seem to require a 386 w/ 4MB RAM.
> > I've got a 20 MB Hard Drive to work with, so it doesn't _necessarily_ have
> > to fit on a floppy, but the micro-distributions seem to have the least
> > stringent system requirements.
Well, if you have too much time on your hands, anything is possible:
http://www.seanet.com/~paulh/8088.jpg
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From: Tomasz Korycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:55:34 -0500
brian moore wrote:
>
> On Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:02:24 -0500,
> Tomasz Korycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > That's called "courtesy", or "attribution". I'd hate for somebody not to
> > know who said what, if they stumbled on this thread only now....
>
> Attribution would be the first line of this message. The .sig is not
> attribution. (And proper news clients will automatically strip it from
> replies.)
Some clients, though, only put "brian moore wrote:". I do not control
what clients people use. I would, nonetheless, like them to see the
attribution retained.
>
> > Hey, You're quick on the draw! Now: what about everything ELSE I said?
> > Does it not warrant a reply? If so, just tell me what am I full of, I'll
> > go away. Not necessarily changing my mind, though. So, if You wish to
> > convince me, PLS reply to the whole thing, not just it's most irrelevant
> > part!
>
> Most of it was irrelevant nonsense. As relevant as your insisting you
> trimmed your posts followed by quoting the .sig.
>
I didn't insist I did trim "the texts", as You put so quaintly. I said I
usually did it. Usually does NOT mean always. I avoid the word. As for
irrelevant nonsense: see below.
> > BTW, I never had the (dubious, I infer from Your previous post)
> > pleasure to work on HP3000, but I've also never heard of RSTS. RSX-11M
> > yes, I still have nightmares, but not RSTS. What was (is) it?
>
> One of several OS's for the PDP-11. Far more popular than RSX-11 as I
> recall, or it certainly was around here (at least on non-Unix PDP-11s).
>
Thank You. I didn't know that.
Now, that's why I deem it discourteous to trim text: I don't think my
previous message was "irrelevant nonsense". You may beg to differ. But
if so, please point out _precisely_ what of what I said WAS, in fact,
nonsense, and please justify it. I like to learn new things, especially
if they contradict my heretofore held convictions. Nothing worse (for
me, anyway) than certainty one's right, when one isn't.
For Your convenience, I will quote my previous post verbatim. PLEASE
break at any point I write nonsense and tell me why is it so.
>>>>>> begin repost <<<<<<<<
brian moore wrote:
>
> On Tue, 09 Mar 1999 01:26:56 -0500,
> Tomasz Korycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > brian moore wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes. And Your point, as related to "the last holdout from basing their
> > > > systems on Unix concepts is Microsoft" bit? Mind You, if You look deep
> > > > enough into NT architecture, You'll see.... VMS!
> > >
> > > VMS is based on Unix?
> > >
> > > Very interesting news indeed.
> >
> > Never said it was. That was just an "aside". And the explicit answer to
> > my question? I am a little slow on the uptake, as I can't make it out
> > from Your reply....
>
> I didn't think it needed an explanation, since it's clear that IBM is a
> Unix vendor despite also selling OS/400. (Heck, they also sell Windows
> on Aptivas.) Your argument is a red herring. May as well claim that
> Safeway doesn't sell apples because they have milk.
>
Well, allright: IBM makes AIX, which I actually love immensely. But You
walk into almost any bank and You won't see too many AIX boxes (with
exception of SP-2's), or other **IX boxes. What You'll see will be
UNISYS XPM3800 series (love the -82!), S/390, Tandem (and NOT the SGI's
OEM'd boxes). Same in power companies. Same in baggage handling
facilities. And so on.... What does it mean? Not that *IX is worse OS,
just that it's not suitable for some tasks. Like OLTP. What that means,
in turn, is that some companies shoot for that niche. You shouldn't look
at IBM as a one company - they are not. Thay all feed off IBM's brand
recognition and size economies (common sales, etc), but that's pretty
much all. OK, You can call 1-800-IBM-SERV and get service for any IBM
product, be it Aptiva or S/390, but that does not mean You're dealing
with the same organisation in all those cases. In fact the AIX group
(and RS6k group) are completely seperated from, say, OS/2 group (yes, it
still exists). I ,don't care about their common name: they're a separate
company from the S/390 people. Or CPU design and fab people.
Now, that niche also has some specialised players: like UNISYS. They
make their OS2200 and market it quite succesfully, along with the HW it
supports. I looked: they don't see to be making any **IX OS, even though
they DO support their products on various flavours of it.
Correct me if I'm wrong: I thought the definition of "last" included
that there's NO other. Also, Your original statement did NOT include the
"major" quallifier. Which is good, as ho do You define "major".
> The last holdout is Microsoft: every other major OS vendor (including
> IBM, which was unthinkable in 1980, as was DEC) is dealing Unix.
>
See above about the "major" difficulty I have. Plus a vendor is someone
who sells, not necesserily makes, a product. So You seems to be
broadening the domain QUITE a bit... Was that intended?
> Apple, HP, IBM, DEC: all proprietary and wierd OS's of their own 15
> years sgo (remember HP-3000's? or RSTS?). Now with their major OS
> investments in Unix.
>
15 Years ago they weren't weird: they just were. Unix was than "weird"
(by the day's standards), and, generally speaking, a bet on the future
going in certain direction, with VERY little security or ways to
introduce it. That's why "the Enterprise" didn't take to it in
overwhelming numbers.
> The exception: Microsoft.
>
Not the only one, as I'm trying to show. BTW, You seem to be mellowing
Your original statement: it seemed to say MS was the _only_ exception.
Now we have addition of "major", domain broadening with "vendor" and
weakening withlack of "only". Am I to assume "Among companies selling
OSs, Microsoft is an exception in that it doesn't sell any unix-based
OS"? If that's the correct way to read "the last holdout from basing
their systems on Unix concepts is Microsoft", forgive me, as English is
not my mother tongue.
I would also suggest we move to e-mail (if You wish to continue, as
our discussion doesn't have a lot to do with this thread...
>>>>>>>> snip! <<<<<<<<
> Please trim texts when quoting.
>
I do, usually. Unless something seems to me relevant to the subject, or
to someone who might stumble upon a message and wish to know what it is
all about.
>>>>>>>>> end repost <<<<<<<<<<<
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From: Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: optra e+
Date: 10 Mar 1999 01:17:12 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd L. Cohen) writes:
> Do Optra E+ laser printers work well in Linux? I need to buy a
> printer and I'm having a hard time finding one that 1) works well with
> linux and 2) is relativly cheap (under $400 or so)
Yes, the Lexmark Optra E+ is known to work perfectly. See
http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi
The following laser/led printers are listed as working perfectly with
Linux:
make |model
=========+================
Brother |HL-10V
Brother |HL-660
Brother |HL-720
Brother |HL-760
Canon |LBP-8II
Canon |LIPS-III
Epson |ActionLaser 1100
Epson |LP 8000
HP |LaserJet 1100
HP |LaserJet 2100
HP |LaserJet 2100M
HP |LaserJet 4000N
HP |LaserJet 4L
HP |LaserJet 5
HP |LaserJet 5L
HP |LaserJet 5MP
HP |LaserJet 6L
HP |LaserJet 6MP
HP |LaserJet 8000
HP |LaserJet 8100
HP |Laserjet 5000
HP |Mopier 320
Kyocera |FS-1700+
Lexmark |Optra Color 1200
Lexmark |Optra Color 1275
Lexmark |Optra E
Lexmark |Optra E+
Lexmark |Optra S 1250
Minolta |PagePro 6
Minolta |PagePro 8
Okidata |OL 410e
Okidata |OL 610e/PS
Okidata |OL 810e/PS
Okidata |Okipage 6e
Okidata |Okipage 6ex
Okidata |Okipage 8c
Panasonic|KX-P4440
Panasonic|KX-P5400
Panasonic|KX-P8420
Panasonic|KX-P8475
QMS |2425 Turbo EX
Ricoh |4801
Ricoh |6000
Xerox |DocuPrint C55
Xerox |DocuPrint N17
Xerox |DocuPrint N32
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From: George Nemeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: artec 6000c scanner
Date: 10 Mar 1999 05:31:47 GMT
mmueller007 wrote:
>
> I got an artec 6000c scanner (came with its own scsi card) - any chance,
that
> red hat 5.2 will be able to do something with this?!?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: George Nemeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound card ALS120
Date: 10 Mar 1999 05:31:44 GMT
Sebastien Brisard wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm a new Linux-user, and I want my sound card to work with Linux, the
> problem is that :
> sndconfig is not able to configure my card,
> Realtek corporation hasn't writen any driver for Linux.
> Does anybody know if another driver could make my card work ?
>
> My sound card is an Realtek ALS 120.
>
> Thank you for your Help!
Likely the chip on your card as an Avance Logic ALS120. This is a PnP
device, and must be either awakened and initalized with its DOS utility
before warm-booting to Linux, or using the Linux Plug-n-Play utility (which
I've not tried yet myself). The chip supposedly emulates a Sounblaster 16
mostly, so just installing for that seems to work for basic sound
functions. (See the readmen on the ALS100, a similar chip, in the Linux
/drivers/sound source dir.
I have been unable to get midi/FM files to play. I believe this because
the Linux sound configuration for a separate MPU401 IRQ seems to ignore
that value even though you can ask for it, and it looks like the card needs
it on a separate IRQ than a pure SoundBlaster. Be sure to tell Linux the
same port and IRQ parameters you use under DOS. There is also some info on
the chip at www.avance.com (which seems somehow tied to RealTek). Since
I've just started digging into making this card work in a box here, that's
about all I can tell you so far.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:26:40 -0600
From: Ted Staberow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: tstaber@no!spam.ibm.net
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is my hard drive dying?
Hi Michael,
Another poster said to check your cooling fan. This is good advice.
A problem I have noticed with some drives is that Linux does not always
see the correct geometry. I have a Maxtor 6GB drive in one of my boxes
that has 826 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track (in LBA mode). Linux
sees the correct size but the geometry is very different (16 heads). I
always use fdisk (not diskdruid) because of the (v)erify option. This
checks for mistakes in the partition settings before you commit them to
disk. Make sure that fdisk sees the same numbers that are reported by
your BIOS other wise you will have some strange problems. This is
especially likely if you create more than one partition on the drive. If
the numbers don't match, you can use the 'expert ' options in fdisk to
change the numbers of cylinders, heads, and sectors to match the nubers
in the BIOS. If this does not apply to your setup, you may just have a
bad drive.
--
Ted Staberow
Prairie Networking, Inc.
We Like GNU Ideas.
Michael Riffle wrote:
> Hoy,
>
> Today, I download, gunzip and untar about a 9 meg file. Right after
> it's done untarring, I get a prompt and then the system freezes. No
> pings, no nothing.
>
> I go to the datacenter, and the hard drive indicator light is on. But
> I can't pull up a login prompt or anything at the console. Screen is
> blank.
>
> I reboot, and fsck finds and fixes a bunch of things.
>
> I check /var/log/messages and see :
>
> kernel: EXT2-fs error (device 03:03): ext2_find_entry: bad entry in
> directory # 890265: rec_len % 4 != 0 - offset=252, inode=1869902965,
> rec_len=11886, name_len=26983
>
> I actually see this repeated a LOT in the /var/log/messages file.
> It's been going on for 3 days, I just didn't notice. I saw one
> timestamped right when the system locked up.
>
> Anyway, my question is: is my hard drive going kaput? I've actually
> seen file system corruption the last 3 or 4 times I've restarted the
> machine... but I always figured it was because it wasn't shut down
> properly.
>
> Any advice out there?
>
> Mike
> (don't respond to my email, it's spam proof. please post here.)
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From: "teknokr@t" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: A couple of X related observations
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:00:27 +1300
I am running linux on a laptop with clgd7548 video chipset. I've noticed
a couple of
problems and was wondering if anyone else has anything similar
1) If I softboot from win95 to linux and run x I get a very peculiar
display. Its as if
everything has been split by horizontal lines and the screen does
not update.
As you move windows around the screen gets more and more of a mess.
If i
switch the computer off before booting to linux x works fine.
2) After running x for a while i start to get horizontal lines
flickering across the display.
I wonder if this is a temperature related problem. They are worst
when I have window
open with lots of white colour in it. This does not occure in win95.
thanks
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From: jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WinFast S320 AGP driver
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 19:51:49 +0100
Hi.
You must install Xfree 3.3.3, that cames with Suse 6.0. The server you
must use is SVGA. If you configure the Xfree with XF86Setup you must
choose Riva TNT in the list of cards and SVGA in the driver.
I have the S320 work in linux perfectly.
Jose Carlos
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