Linux-Hardware Digest #702, Volume #10            Thu, 8 Jul 99 08:13:35 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Celeron, what's the catch? (Helge Hafting)
  Re: I have a Intel 740??? (Joceli Mayer)
  Re: Trouble installing on Sun SPARC-2 ("I.H.McKeag")
  Re: Need to Build Low-Cost Linux Box ("Chris")
  mouse right button won't work (Bob La Quey)
  Filesystem on DAT Tape Recorder? (Horst Wetzel)
  Re: Celeron, what's the catch? (Erik Corry)
  Re: Adaptec 2940UW SCSI Controller (Keith Low)
  Re: HELP w/ Isapnptools! (M. Buchenrieder)
  Re: SCSI v. IDE boot conflict (Linux-only system) (M. Buchenrieder)
  Re: modem mystery (M. Buchenrieder)
  linux modem busy (wymak)
  Re: Can we write to NTFS? ("Chris")
  Re: Rackmount cases (wizard)

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From: Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: Celeron, what's the catch?
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:35:54 +0200

Andrzej Popowski wrote:

> I think, that only FSB specs are important for dual setup. Both CPU
> can work at 100MHz. Probably Linux has a little problems with proper
> load dividing between CPUs (it is not SMP :-), but this setup is
> faster then single CPU.

Linux shouldn't really have trouble with load dividing, even with very
different cpu's.  The kernel will simply schedule different processes
on the two of them.  One finished way earlier than expected?  No
problem,
just schedule something else on that processor.

As long as you have at least two processes ready to run both cpu's
will be used and your machine will work at its full potential.

The only problem is when there is only one process running - it might
be running on the slower cpu.  Fixing the kernel to deal with that
shouldn't be too hard though.

Helge Hafting

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From: Joceli Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I have a Intel 740???
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:30:29 +0000

Laurence wrote:

> How do I get drivers for my Intel 740???

download from  ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/XFCom/
it should work for RedHat distributions, maybe for others too ...
These is a good readme there,

good luck


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From: "I.H.McKeag" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble installing on Sun SPARC-2
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:38:31 +0100


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> Hi,

I am having problems trying to install  the current Debian release (slink) on
aSun SPARCstation 2 from CDROM.

Architecture: Sparc
Model: Sparcstation 2 - ROM Rev 2.0
Memory: 64 MByte
SCSI adaptor: Sun ESP
CD ROM: Sony CDU-8012 Rev 3.1e in Sun (external) enclosure
Network Card: On-board Sun
PCMIA: N/A

Having inserted CD#1 in the drive, at the 'OK' prompt and
typed 'boot cdrom'.  System brings up the 'Welcome to Debian' screen and
gives 'Press <enter> to boot!'.  On typing enter, system loads SILO and
then loads the initial ramdisk, then gives a black screen background
with penguin logo and begins running through system detction.  Detects
internal and external hard disks correctly. Detects (external) tape
drive correctly.  Detects (external) CD-ROM correctly.  Then goes into
endless(?) error loop printing:
        esp0: disconnect, resetting bus
        esp0: resetting bus
        esp0: scsi bus reset interrupt
        esp0: scsi bus reset interrupt
(repeats preceding four lines over and over).

I have checked that it is not a media problem by using the same CD-ROM
to boot on a Sparc-20 (which also had external scsi devices on it) and
it ran through without problem to begin the installation.

To try to double check the media I downloaded the equivalent floppy
images, wrote them to floppy and tried to boot from them.  At the 'OK'
prompt, typed 'boot floppy'.  System installs SILO but then gives:
        Fatal error: Cannot read partition
        Illegal or malformed device name
        Fatal error: Cannot read partition
        Fatal error: Cannot read partition
        Fatal error: Unable to open filesystem
and returns to the 'boot:' prompt.

To check the floppy media, I tried booting from them on a Sparc-10, and
it booted succesfully without problems.

I therfore begin to think that it is either a problem with the
architecture (4c vs 4m) or with the revision of the Sun ROM.  However, I
can find no information in any of the installation guides to suggest
that the software should not work on a 4c.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Ian.



--

        --------------o0o--------------

        Ian McKeag,
        Department of Chemistry,
        University of Durham,
        South Road,
        Durham,
        DH1 3LE
        UK

        Tel. +44 191 3742596



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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Hi,</BLOCKQUOTE>
I am having problems trying to install&nbsp; the current Debian release
(slink) on aSun SPARCstation 2 from CDROM.

<P>Architecture: Sparc
<BR>Model: Sparcstation 2 - ROM Rev 2.0
<BR>Memory: 64 MByte
<BR>SCSI adaptor: Sun ESP
<BR>CD ROM: Sony CDU-8012 Rev 3.1e in Sun (external) enclosure
<BR>Network Card: On-board Sun
<BR>PCMIA: N/A

<P>Having inserted CD#1 in the drive, at the 'OK' prompt and
<BR>typed 'boot cdrom'.&nbsp; System brings up the 'Welcome to Debian'
screen and
<BR>gives 'Press &lt;enter> to boot!'.&nbsp; On typing enter, system loads
SILO and
<BR>then loads the initial ramdisk, then gives a black screen background
<BR>with penguin logo and begins running through system detction.&nbsp;
Detects
<BR>internal and external hard disks correctly. Detects (external) tape
<BR>drive correctly.&nbsp; Detects (external) CD-ROM correctly.&nbsp; Then
goes into
<BR>endless(?) error loop printing:
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; esp0: disconnect, resetting
bus
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; esp0: resetting bus
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; esp0: scsi bus reset interrupt
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; esp0: scsi bus reset interrupt
<BR>(repeats preceding four lines over and over).

<P>I have checked that it is not a media problem by using the same CD-ROM
<BR>to boot on a Sparc-20 (which also had external scsi devices on it)
and
<BR>it ran through without problem to begin the installation.

<P>To try to double check the media I downloaded the equivalent floppy
<BR>images, wrote them to floppy and tried to boot from them.&nbsp; At
the 'OK'
<BR>prompt, typed 'boot floppy'.&nbsp; System installs SILO but then gives:
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fatal error: Cannot read
partition
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Illegal or malformed device
name
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fatal error: Cannot read
partition
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fatal error: Cannot read
partition
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fatal error: Unable to open
filesystem
<BR>and returns to the 'boot:' prompt.

<P>To check the floppy media, I tried booting from them on a Sparc-10,
and
<BR>it booted succesfully without problems.

<P>I therfore begin to think that it is either a problem with the
<BR>architecture (4c vs 4m) or with the revision of the Sun ROM.&nbsp;
However, I
<BR>can find no information in any of the installation guides to suggest
<BR>that the software should not work on a 4c.

<P>Any help would be much appreciated.

<P>Ian.
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<PRE>--&nbsp;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --------------o0o--------------

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ian 
McKeag,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Department of 
Chemistry,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; University of 
Durham,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Road,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DH1 
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tel. +44 191 3742596</PRE>
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From: "Chris" <chris @ email.wilsonmfg.com>
Subject: Re: Need to Build Low-Cost Linux Box
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:28:06 -0500


Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:rSLg3.147$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> worst price/performance you can get is a pre-built system.  they'll
> most likely throw in a suboptimal display, winmodems maybe even
> winprinters.  and a 2button mouse ;-)
>
> ALWAYS choose name-brand motherboards and build a system around that.
> use asus, tyan, fic, abit and others like that.
>
> with the stuff you don't need being deleted, you WILL come in cheaper

Agreed.  I built a Cel 300a, Soyo PII main board , 128MB, 8Gig, VooDoo2 16MB
Video, SB 128PCI, 40X CDROM, Case, floppy, 17" monitor, keyboard, Logitech wheel
mouse, and 56K jumpered modem for under $1000.00 buy using
http://www.pricewatch.com/ and buying parts from 5 vendors.  Granted I got
little support, but I've been building PC's for years.  It runs great, even
clock at 450, and only WinDoze crashes on it.
It souldn't be hard to build a system for under $500.  Just research every part
before buying it to make sure the maker is easy to find, drivers are readilly
available, if someone has done a reveiw read it, and make sure any OS you will
use supports it.

--
Chris
'/dev/.sig' busy, try again later



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From: Bob La Quey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mouse right button won't work
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:21:02 GMT

HP Pavilion 8280 w pS/2 mouse

% cat /proc/interrupts  shows mouse on IRQ 12
%cd /dev
% ls -l mouse    mouse -> psaux

in XF86Config

Section "Pointer"
   Protocol       "PS/2"
   Device         "/dev/psaux"
   Resolution     100
   Buttons        2
End Section

X and twm work fine with xterm.

When I try to use gimp the right
mouse button does nothing, nada :(

I have read bus mouse howto, gimp docs, etc.

I am stuck. Any clues out there.

TIA
--
boblq


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From: Horst Wetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Filesystem on DAT Tape Recorder?
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:07:02 +0200

Hello everybody,        

I have an SCSI DAT Tape Recorder connected to my linux box.

Is it possible to put a filesystem on a tape and mount the tape like a
floppy?

If it is possible, how can I do this?   

Regards, Horst

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From: Erik Corry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: Celeron, what's the catch?
Date: 8 Jul 1999 10:15:49 GMT

In comp.sys.intel Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> See http://www.cpureview.com/art_kernel_results.htm
>> 
> I got "file not found" from this url.

I somehow dropped the final 'l' from the URL.  Sorry.  The correct address
is http://www.cpureview.com/art_kernel_results.html

-- 
Erik Corry [EMAIL PROTECTED]     Ceterum censeo, Microsoftem esse delendam!

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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:30:00 -0400
From: Keith Low <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW SCSI Controller

Hi

    I have run the 2940UW with the older kernels, but upgrading the BIOS on the
2940UW does help increase the speed of the transfer a bit, and does make it a bit
more stable.

Keith

Chris wrote:

> I've seen this.  It happens on NT too.  I was told by a ex cow-orker that the
> BIOS on the 2940 card it self needed upgraded.
>
> --
> Chris
> The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned.
>
> Stephen Bradly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > David Massot wrote:
> > >
> > > I have an intermittent problem with my Adaptec 2940UW SCSI Controller.
> > >
> > > Occasionally I get the message
> > >
> > >   AIC7XXX Done-Aborted-SCBS Aborting scbi tcl=0/0/0
> > >
> > > The message will appear several times then stop.
> > >
> > > I'm running Redhat Linux 4.2 Kernel 2.0.30.  I have heard that the 2940 is
> > > not fully supported because of all the Adaptec BIOS changes.
> > >
> > > Where can I get the latest driver from?  Is there any other way around the
> > > problem without updating the driver.
> > >
> > > Any help much appreciated.
> >
> > I think your best bet is to upgrade your installation, the kernel at the
> > very least. I understand that the full specs for this board were finally
> > made available to the driver developers and the modifications were
> > included in the driver distributed with 2.0.35 (or .36) kernel sources.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Stephen


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: HELP w/ Isapnptools!
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:44:34 GMT

"ZombieSeed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>I just cannot get this modem to work. Under Windows, it's on COM3 IRQ: 4
>Port: 3E8. Linux thinks it's under COM4 (/dev/ttyS3). Why is that? I have
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Where does it say that ?

>ISAPNP and I THINK I'm doing everything right...

>(in /etc directory)

>1.) pnpdump > isapnp.conf
>2.) open isapnp.conf and uncomment (#) the lines that contain
>            (IO 0 (BASE 0x03e8))

ttyS2

>     and then
>            (INT 0 (IRQ 4 (MODE +L)))
>     and finally
>            (ACT Y)

>3.) save the file
>4.) isapnp isapnp.conf

>This didn't work. Then I tried "setserial /dev/ttyS3 port 0x03e8 irq 4".

[...]

No surprise. You just configured your (supposedly PNP) modem to
ttyS2 . Be aware that the IRQ selected conflicts with the settings
of the secondary serial port (ttyS1). Either give your modem a
separate IRQ, or disable the onboard COM2 port.

Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: SCSI v. IDE boot conflict (Linux-only system)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:38:33 GMT

Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>JeremyDunn wrote:
>> 

[...]

>> 
>> I've tried setting the BIOS to boot as : SCSI, C, A.  Also tried D, A, SCSI
>> (get rid of the IDE in boot sequence), etc.  

Either your SCSI adapter insists on addressing your SCSI drive as "D:"
whwnever an IDE drive is present, or your motherboard's BIOS is faulty.
You might want to try a different SCSI card, or a BIOS update from
the motherboard manufacturer's website.

[...]

>If you have both IDE and SCSI drives. It'll default to the primary IDE
>drive for booting. If I remember correctly. Nothing is wrong.

Rubbish. What do you think the "SCSI" option in the motherboard's
BIOS is supposed to do ?

Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: modem mystery
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:04:59 GMT

Kenneth Been <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]

>I only disabled one port in the setup utility (that's the one that you
>enter when booting by pressing F2).  That was COM2, which I assume is
>the same as /dev/ttyS1.  

Right. However:

[...]

>Oh, Gateway also said that if a modem came with the computer, which my
>old one did, then they have already disabled that port (which would have
>been COM1, or /dev/ttyS0).  So maybe that is why it looks disabled now;

That does explain the output of "setserial", yes. Both onboard ports have 
been disabled. Which is as well the reason why your external modem doesn't 
work - it is presently connected to a port that you manually disabled.
An external modem is not a port of its own - disable the serial port
it is connected to and it won't work.

>I didn't change anything on that one.  (But I didn't notice that it was
>marked "disabled" in the setup utility, either, which confused me.)

>Is it because the port type is listed as "unknown" that you could tell
>that it was disabled?  

Yes. setserial queries the usual I/O addresses for serial ports and listens
for what it gets back. If it responds with "unknown", then the port is
not responding.

>Why is /dev/ttyS1 not listed as "unknown", if it
>has been disabled?  

>Because it has a modem on it? 

Yes. Your internal modem IS a serial port. 

>What does "disabled"
>really mean?  I would think that a port should be "enabled" if a device
>is going to use it.

Your device is that port.  You add another serial port if using a real
internal modem.

>Here is the output from "cat /proc/interrupts":

> 0:     171789   timer
> 1:       3839   keyboard
> 2:          0   cascade
> 3:      27157 + serial

[...]

This is your modem on ttyS1. But no interrupts for ttyS2, which means that
the port doesn't work.

I'm confused , though: When you started this thread, you mentioned an 
EXTERNAL modem that was slow to respond. An external modem, however, can't 
be configured to live at a certain I/O address. It is always addressed
by the port it is connected to. Now you mentioned that this Gateway PC
came with a modem when you bought it. Was this an onboard modem ? 
If so, you do have presently 3 modems, which will not work that way.
Please tell me which devices you DO have installed (both internal and
external ones) and how they are presently configured.

Michael
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From: wymak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux modem busy
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:57:38 +0800

I have installed openlinux 2.2, my modem is an internal modem using
COM3. Using kde kppp, I tried to connect to my ISP but the kppp always
keep saying that the modem is busy, what can I do? (running kppp is the
first thing i do after booting linux)

rgds,
mak


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From: "Chris" <chris @ email.wilsonmfg.com>
Subject: Re: Can we write to NTFS?
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:23:12 -0500

David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<clip>
> You might look for "ntfsdos" - a DOS driver which allows NTFS access.
> Don't remember whether it is R/W or just R/O.

Still R/O unless you want to buy it.

>
> Is it feasible for you to use smbmount on a Linux box to mount the NT
> shares and do the repairs remotely?
>
> David Graham

You missed the point.  This is to repair a crashed NT box, like to replace a
coruped system file and such.

I've seen lots of "Yes it exists" but has anyone used it?  Does it work at all?
Does it destroy permissions?

--
Chris
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From: wizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rackmount cases
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:28:32 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Alex Lam wrote:

> wizard wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I am looking for Rackmount cases for regular AT & ATX motherboards.  I
> > > have a whole whopping mess of various makes/models of PCs in my Data
> > > Center.  I would like to rackmount them to save space.  I do not want to
> > > have to buy all new computers to do this.  Does anyone know where I can
> > > buy such cases?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > --
> > > Scott Boss
> > > Atlanta Perl Mongers Fearless Leader
> > > website:   http://atlanta.pm.org
> > > community: http://www.dejanews.com/~apm
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
> >
> > Scott;
> >
> > Unless you find a source I don't know about, the cost of a Rack mount ATX
> > case will kill this idea.    In fact at todays prices you could buy brand
> > new hardware.   On the other hand the one industrial "desktop" case I've
> > had extensive experience with wasn't worth a hill of beans.    If the cost
> > of floor space is so excessive that you feel you need to continue, try
> > looking at hardware supplied by Industrial Computer Source.    As stated
> > before I don't think thier desktop case is worth the money they charge but
> > give them a shot.    One other company I've hasd good luck with, for
> > industrial computing, is American Advantech.    Not sure if they supply the
> > type of case your looking for.    One thing to look out for if you do go
> > the rack mount route is the possiblity for drastically increased cooling
> > requirements if all of thoose PCs end up in the same rack.
> >
> > One thing that can be suggested, that works really well for very lowcost
> > solutions, is to employe the commercial wire racks that are so popular
> > these days.    By selecting one desktop or tower case that meets your needs
> > a nice and very servicable installation can be had.    The shelves on
> > theese racks are adjustable and many are available on wheels.   I would be
> > the first to admit that they are not as space efficient as a rack but they
> > are cheap and may work well with existing hardware.
> >
> > The story is quite different if you are buying new hardware.    Here you
> > can get different solutions that fit into one or two rack units.    Check
> > any of the Linux rags to see who offers what.    I would also suggest that
> > your'e not likely to get taken to the cleaners in the same manner that you
> > would when buying just a case.
> >
> > Best of luck
> > Dave
>
> I've 5 boxes cramped into my small SOHO. My solution to save space
> from my very large table is I use desk top cases with all the boxes,
> then, get a stereo rack system and put all the boxes in. Instant rack
> system without the high costs of computer rack cases and rack mount.
> And you're not limited to the ugly looking industrial grade hardware.
>
> Alex Lam.
>
> --
> *remove all the Xs (upper case X) if reply by e mail.
> ** no more M$ Windoze.

Alex

That is a grand idea.    I would not have thought of it my self.     I
especially like the idea of dressing things up, maybe even smoked glass front
doors.    Plus the abilty to match the decor of your office.

On the other hand have you had any over heatting problems with this type of
installation?     Heat is the first thing I think of when talking about rack
mounted systems.

Dave



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