I agree with you. Though, what Rational did that make their ClearCase product relatively successful, is the relative ease with which you can "script" their products. You can write triggers to be invoked at key steps in their work processes, or you can dispense with their work processes altogether and implement your own.
Shachar Tal Verint Systems > -----Original Message----- > From: Boaz Rymland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:40 PM > To: Linux-IL mailing list > Subject: Re: Version control (was: Re: What's wrong with this code?) > > > I think this is exactly the price you "pay" when choosing > these kind of > tools, or more generally, doing in the "unix way": > You just take some overhead explicitly onto *your* head but > you are left > with very flexible, hence powerfull, set of tools, which can > be combined > in numerous ways to do just about any task you choose (in principle). > you do not have *such* flexability, usually, in closed source > (graphic?) > application. this power lures in the command line land. > > Its raw power, but roughness in usage, against fixed (closed) > methods/ways to use, but the ease of that usage. Well, this trade off > can be phrased in many ways, but the point mentioned in the > mesasge I'm > replying to is, IMHO, talks exactly on that trade off. Your > preference > might vary. > > boaz. > > Tal, Shachar wrote: > > >If only the small integratable single-minded tools were *easily* > >integratable, I suspect Rational would have gone of business > a few years > >ago. > > > >Shachar Tal > >Verint Systems > > > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Gilad Ben-Yossef [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:38 AM > >>To: Guy Teverovsky; Linux-IL mailing list > >>Cc: Tal, Shachar; 'Shachar Shemesh' > >>Subject: Re: Version control (was: Re: What's wrong with this code?) > >> > >> > >>On Tuesday 18 November 2003 04:22, Guy Teverovsky wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>CVS is not: version control mechanism which is content > >>> > >>> > >>aware and action > >> > >> > >>>driven. It lacks inline documentation features and code maintenance > >>>(bugs, features) tracking... > >>> > >>> > >>Actually, CVS is a version control system and *that's it*. > >>ClearCase is > >>simply much more. It's like trying to compare Sendmail to Exchange. > >>Exchange has a mail server inside but to call Exchange a mail > >>server is > >>ridiculous. (save me the jokes about the bugs in BOTH Exchange and > >>sendmail, I've hearde them all. Hell, I invented a few of them.. :-) > >> > >> > >> > >>>Have I mentioned the wink-ing ? Suppose you have an app > >>> > >>> > >>that compiles 5 > >> > >> > >>>hours and another developer has already done another build > >>> > >>> > >>and parts of > >> > >> > >>>the objects can be reused. As much as you might not like > >>> > >>> > >>the product, it > >> > >> > >>>saves a hell LOT of time as the version control mechanism > >>> > >>> > >>will bring you > >> > >> > >>>already compiled parts from the network. > >>>Now consider an 6-7 hour build on a high-end workstation... > >>>Well, I am starting to sound as a sales man, so I will stop here. > >>> > >>> > >>Which is available seperatly in Open Source world, as ccache. > >>Which brings > >>me to my next related topic: > >> > >>Open Source software tends to create small flexible tools > >>that do a single > >>thing and do it well (e.g. CVS). You can combine several such > >>tools to > >>create a whole pacage that covers your needs (e.g. cvs + bugzilla + > >>ccache). > >> > >>Closed Source software tends to build big packages that try to do > >>everything. > >> > >>Some people prefer the flexability of multiple integratable > >>single packets. > >>Some people prefer the "full turnkey solution" of the closed > >>source world. > >> > >>I'd leave my personal opionion of it for now :-) > >> > >>Gilad > >> > >>-- > >>Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Codefidence. A name you can trust (tm) > >>http://www.codefidence.com > >> > >>"Half of one of my eyes is already open. I'm going to make > >>coffee now..." > >> -- Kathi 16:08:04 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >This electronic message contains information from Verint > Systems, which may > >be privileged and confidential. The information is intended > to be for the > >use of the individual(s) or entity named above. 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