El vie, 13-10-2006 a las 22:46 +0200, Micha Feigin escribió: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:54:23 +0200 > Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The booklet also does not include in its 10 pages alternative > > instructions for whose that run Linux, Mac, have not CD drive or older > > They don't care about linux and mac users, they just tell you to [EMAIL > PROTECTED] off and > that you are on your own. As far as they are concerned they whole world runs > winxp and the rest are not worth bothering with.
I noted that. > > > PC that cannot run the dialer. Furthermore, their request of 233MHz of > > minimal CPU speed not seem to be not logical for any firmware of > > software dialer which is supposed to do less work than a old phone > > modem. > > Thats because the windows program uses windows drivers on a machine that runs > windows. It needs to bring up a bunch of windows and such, consume a lot of > memory and cpu power due the additional gui and network libraries etc. > > The blackbox itself probably has the processing power of a spachler (similar > to something like a 286 or a bubble gum), it's running either linux or vxworks > and a tiny http webserver for the settings with no gui, 2MB of flash and 8mb > of > ram if not less. just in case you are interested. > > > Maybe is only a bad after aftertaste of my Windows ages, but I don´t > > trust these CDs. > > > if > > > you give the average user written instructions, they are likely to make > > > a mistake. > > > > > > --guy > > > > > > On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 09:13 +0200, Julian Daich wrote: > > > > El jue, 12-10-2006 a las 00:17 +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson escribió: > > > > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:43:57PM +0200, Julian Daich wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This week I have the opportunity to connect a new Linux PC to the > > > > > > Internet with Bezeq´s ADSL via an Adtech( or whatever it is called) > > > > > > 600 modem/ ruter. I was surprised to find that there are not > > > > > > instructions of how to set the ruter, instead they( Bezeq) give you > > > > > > a > > > > > > CD with a program for Window to configure a dialer and a booklet of > > > > > > how to install and configure that program which in fact is more > > > > > > complicate that doing 138.0.0.10 from your browser from any OS and > > > > > > set Admin as username and password as I did to configure the ruter. > > > > > > After examining the booklet with more detail I found within the > > > > > > technical requirements to have an at least 233Mhz which I suspect is > > > > > > to much requirement for a simple dialer. I´m trying to understand > > > > > > why > > > > > > Bezeq try to force users to use these dialers since it is more > > > > > > complicate to users, uses too much computer resources, costs more > > > > > > paper and CDs to Bezeq and from the Bezeq side there is not > > > > > > difference in resources if it is the modem or the PC what diales. > > > > > > > > > > By law, BEZEQ can not sell you access to the Internet. All they can > > > > > sell you is access to their public data network which uses the ATM > > > > > protocol. > > > > > > > > > > I have been told, but can not verify, that the ATM network realy has > > > > > no > > > > > speed or access limitations, you can open a virtual connection to > > > > > anyone > > > > > that can receive it. > > > > > > > > > > I do know that at one time, and they may still do, every ISP had a > > > > > guest user id that allowed you to access their network without being a > > > > > subscriber. The rates were very high, IMHO only usefull if you wanted > > > > > to spend a few minutes testing out an ISP or if you wanted to connect > > > > > to another ISP to forward that must-go-out email when yours was down. > > > > > > > > > > What you call a modem is really an ethernet to ATM proctol converter > > > > > or packet assembler/disassmbler or PAD. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore they have to use a VPN aka tunnel to connect you directly > > > > > with > > > > > your ISP. The ISP then can regulate your data rates and access. > > > > I understand, and maybe I was not so clear with my posting. My question > > > > is why Bezeq gives you a CD with a dialer instead to teach you to > > > > configure the VPN which resides inside the little blackbox( aka modem or > > > > ruter) which is quite easier and straightforward to do. In fact, at > > > > least for the Adtech modem, you do not need the CD program which Bezeq > > > > calls¨ dialer¨. Is for what it makes me suspect that maybe this program > > > > is more than a dialer. > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOT uses the same mechanism to connect their customers, but with an > > > > > added twist. Routers made for the U.S. market assume that the > > > > > "gateway" > > > > > is the IP address of both the IP gateway off of the local segment and > > > > > the tunneling host. In Israel they are seperate and most routers sold > > > > > in the U.S. will not work on HOT's network. > > > > > > > > > > There is a way around it, since HOT's network is IP over token ring, > > > > > they can set up your connection so that all packets from your cable > > > > > modem go to your ISP, allowing you a direct DHCP connection. Some ISPs > > > > > do it, some won't, some charge for it, all require you to talk to many > > > > > customer service people before you find one that understands what you > > > > > want. :-) > > > > > > > > > > In the rest of the world, the company that sells you your xDSL service > > > > > is also your ISP, so a VPN/tunnel is not needed. > > > > > > > > > > Geoff. > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > ================================To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL > PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
