It's just that the desktop is not ready for Linux:P Nadav, you are welcome to come visit here at huji and I'll show you all the 1000000 of problems we have using linux.
Ely On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt <p...@goldshmidt.org>wrote: > > Well, if Fedora 15 wasn't that intertwined with NetworkManager which > tried > > to do all of this automatically, maybe this is what I would have done. > > But the current situation is that ordinary non-root users are not > expected > > to take network interfaces up and down. Or, if they are, I'm not sure how > > this is supposed to work. Maybe you can tell me. > > You can configure any interface as user-controlled. In the > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and similar files the line > is "USERCTL=yes". If you start system-config-network and open the edit > GUI on an interface you'll see the corresponding checkbox. It is not > clear to me if this option is dependent on NM in any way - I suspect > it may be. > > > All a newbie wants is somebody who'll > > tell him, step by step, what to do. And the sad fact is that for Windows > > he can get that help from many places - his ISP, the product's official > site, > > and so on - but for Linux it's harder to get this advice. > > In my mind "Linux is not ready for desktop" and "ISP Support are not > good at supporting newbies on Linux" are two different things though. > It does look to me like you are mostly making this second statement, > which I quite agree with. it is a fair statement that "readiness" > implies a suitable environment, and the Support environment in Israel > is not quite suitable for complete newbies on Linux. > > As I mentioned, however, watching my parents and their friends (older > generation) on Windows I'd argue that Windows is "not ready" by > exactly the same token. It is just as darn difficult, and it does > require a savvy technical help on a regular basis. > > -- > Oleg Goldshmidt | o...@goldshmidt.org > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >
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