On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:03:01PM +0545, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Vipul Mathur wrote:
> >
> > Okay you lost me there. What "technical soundness" are you talking about?
> > The process of keeping sid updated is almost the same as keeping stable
> > updated. An occasional apt-get update; apt-get (dist-)upgrade; will do it
> > for you. There is no rocket science here. One just has to be a little more
> > carefull than stable.
>
> Doesn't that "be a little more careful" sentence require you to be
> having good expertise and experience with Debian ?
> It is many a times told on Debian too that sid is mainly for experienced
> users where as people concerning security and stability should consider
> stable. My concern again is mainly with stable. I want to use stable. Why ?
> Becuase of it's reputation. It doesn't break offen as sid and testing
> do. Ya, you might say that that can be fixed. Again, you require
> experience and expertise for all that. Does everyone have it ?
Stable <-- critical updates only
<-- old packages
<-- best for servers (security is critical)
Unstable <-- MUCH more frequent updates
<-- latest packages
<-- more suited for desktops
I also admit the fact, as does the head of the Debian team, that their
release cycle is waaay slow. In fact Debian is working actively on speeding
up the release cycle. As crazy as that may sound to Debian purists, it is
true ;-) (Refer to the archives for an earlier mail from me about this)
If it is your choice to install stable on a desktop, you can't really crib
can you ;-)
> But what about usability ? Isn't gaim included in stable (woody), or
> wouldn't it be included into sarge(when it get's into stable). What then
> ? If the problem (connectivity to Yahoo) again appears, what are we
> going to do ?
How come you are not complaining about not having the latest and
greatest KDE/GNOME/X in stable then?
> Pinning ? Ah! again it would be a little more cumbersome for a normal
> user.
* /etc/apt/preferences
Package: mozilla-firefox
Pin: version 0.8*
Pin-Priority: 1001
That is something I did 10 minutes ago. Is that so cumbersome as to
overshadow all the other advantages of sid?
Hmmm.. you sound like you will not use the solutions as you think they
are cumbersome and you still want to crib. I don't want to sound rude,
but I know *lots* of people who happily use Debian unstable on their
desktops and are ready to live with the occasional hiccup.
The practical suggestion from me, keeping in mind the current state of things
is: that if you *definitely* cannot handle unstable (why? the list is always
there to help when you get stuck!) and you are not happy with any other
Debian tree, then move to another distribution.
> "Oh! some of the packages in Debian stable, because of it's POLICY remain
> unusable." :-) What would be the use of keeping such packages into the
> stable branch when they aren't worth it?
Aah! Now there is an idea that we can use. Remove packages which have an
extremely short life-cycle from stable. Worth it if you ask me.
--
Vipul "Debianer" Mathur
vipul[at]linux-delhi.org
http://www.vipulmathur.org/
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