Hi Maciej, On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:41:29PM +0000, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Will Deacon wrote: > > > > Overall I think it should be safe after all to use SYNC_RELEASE and > > > other > > > modern lightweight barriers uncondtionally under the assumption that > > > architecture was meant to remain backward compatible. Even though it > > > might be possible someone would implement unusual semantics for the then > > > undefined `stype' values, I highly doubt it as it would be extra effort > > > and hardware logic space for no gain. We could try and reach > > > architecture > > > overseers to double-check whether the `stype' encodings, somewhat > > > irregularly distributed, were indeed defined in a manner so as not to > > > clash with values implementers chose to use before rev. 2.61 of the > > > architecture specification. > > > > Do you know whether a SYNC 18 (RELEASE) followed in program order by a > > SYNC 17 (ACQUIRE) creates a full barrier (i.e. something like SYNC 16)? > > By my reading of architecture specifications it does. Specifically > SYNC_RELEASE (18) applies to older loads and stores, and newer stores, and > SYNC_ACQUIRE (17) applies to older loads, and newer loads and stores. So > the two combined ought to be the equivalent to SYNC_MB (16), which applies > to both older and newer loads and stores. Of course care has to be taken
Hmm.. so the following reordering couldn't happen? Program order: LOAD A SYNC_RELEASE STORE B LOAD C SYNC_ACQUIRE LOAD D First becomes: LOAD C <------------ SYNC_RELEASE doesn't order newer loads. LOAD A SYNC_RELEASE STORE B SYNC_ACQUIRE LOAD D And then becomes: LOAD C <SYNC_ACQUIRE> <---- SYNC_ACQUIRE still affect those loads. LOAD D <------------ SYNC_RELEASE doesn't order newer loads. LOAD A SYNC_RELEASE STORE B SYNC_ACQUIRE <SYNC_ACQUIRE> here doesn't mean that SYNC instructions can be reordered, it here means that the reordering doesn't break SYNC_ACQUIRE's guarantee. I ask this because some architectures(e.g. PPC) allows this kind of reordering. Please see "ACQUIRING FUNCTIONS" in memory-barriers.txt for more information. Thank you ;-) Regards, Boqun > about what happens between SYNC_RELEASE and SYNC_ACQUIRE. This is still > more lightweight than classic SYNC (0). See the architecture documents, > e.g. the MIPS32 one[1] for details. > > References: > > [1] "MIPS Architecture For Programmers, Volume II-A: The MIPS32 > Instruction Set", MIPS Technologies, Inc., Document Number: MD00086, > Revision 5.04, December 11, 2013, Table 4.7 "Encodings of the > Bits[10:6] of the SYNC instruction; the SType Field", p. 305 > > HTH, > > Maciej >
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