On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 6:32 PM,  <mario.limoncie...@dell.com> wrote:
>> I pondered this a bit, and I want to NAK my own patch.  This patch
>> stinks -- there's mounting evidence that what it really does is to
>> make any problems show up more rarely.  If a system is broken, I want
>> it to be obviously broken.
>>
>> Here are two options to move forward:
>>
>> a) Leave the Dell quirk in place until someone from Dell or Samsung
>> figures out what's actually going on.  Add a blanket quirk turning off
>> the deepest sleep state on all Intel devices [1] at least until
>> someone from Intel figures out what's going on -- Hi, Keith!  Deal
>> with any other problems as they're reported.
>>
>> b) Turn off the deepest state across the board and add a whitelist.
>> Populate the whitelist a bit.  The problem is that I don't even know
>> what to whitelist.  My system works great, but does that mean that my
>> particular laptop is fine?  My particular disk is certainly *not* fine
>> when installed in other laptops.
>>
>> Ideas?  (a) is a bit simpler to implement, I think, and may be good enough.
>>
> Until we have a proper solution for XPS 9550/Precision 5510 I agree that 
> quirk should stay in place.
> Of those two options I think A is better.  There are lots of machines this 
> patch has helped that haven't been mentioned in this content.  Please make 
> sure that it's not too aggressive on ITPT for PS4 if you're not aligning to 
> RST behavior (should at "least" be 6s).

I can get on board for 6s minimum for the deepest state.  I don't want
to touch any rule that says "PS4" in the description because PS4 isn't
even guaranteed to be a sleep state, let alone the deepest state.

>
> Kai-Heng and the Canonical team have also been looking at a lot of 
> SSD/machine combinations with these various patches.  I hope they can speak 
> up on what they've been finding.
>
>> [1] There are problems on Intel NUC machines with Intel SSDs, for
>> crying out loud.  I realize that the team that designs the NUC is
>> probably totally unrelated to the SSD team, but they're both Intel and
>> it shouldn't be *that* hard for someone at Intel to get it debugged.
>> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1686592
>
> I would second this and love if Intel could speak up here on what direction 
> they recommend to bring the NVME driver for APST.

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