Linux-Misc Digest #538, Volume #18 Sat, 9 Jan 99 20:13:08 EST
Contents:
setting ulimit... help (Rajeev Ramamurthy)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (jedi)
Announce: Summary Log Analyzer for Mac, Linux, Sun (Liam Breck)
Re: Logging a user ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (PalmII@.com
(soume yoeung guih))
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Perry Pip)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? ("Mosl Roland")
Re: Linux Commands (Rob)
Re: how often do you -really- need to upgrade (Rob)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Alexander Viro)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Alan Boyd)
Re: Point of Sale (POS) Solutions? (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: What POP server? (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: Unable to open an initial console ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (mlw)
Re: StarOffice 50 key? (Mark Watson)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (mlw)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Robin Becker)
Re: Linux (citizen)
Problem with LILO (Steve Shofner)
Telnet In, FTP In, Etc (Jeff Grossman)
Re: Linux (citizen)
Re: Linux (citizen)
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From: Rajeev Ramamurthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: setting ulimit... help
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:56:29 -0700
Hi,
I am having trouble setting the stack size (from the default 8192 KB) to
65536 KB using ulimit -s 65536. I have this command in the /etc/profile
file. It works well for root, but if i login as a user then i get the
message "operation net permitted". I really need with this. Please help...
Thanks
rajeev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:15:49 -0800
On Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:49:39 -0000, Its great when your straight, yeah
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>John Morris wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>>I just don't understand why anyone would want to
>>play a game on ANY operating system tho?? Why not
>>use a dedicated device like a Sony Playstation??
>>
>>Since I do not play games anyway... am I missing
>>something here? <G>
>
>Can you play a playstation online with a group of other users?
>Maybe thats why people want to play games on a PC,/unix/linux box.
That market is still relatively miniscule at this point.
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Liam Breck)
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.tools,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Announce: Summary Log Analyzer for Mac, Linux, Sun
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 09:46:03 GMT
The Summary log analyzer is a web site/server http log analysis tool
with over sixty reports and support for virtual hosts. It has a
browser-based interface that's customizable.
Shareware and commercial versions available for:
Mac OS (PPC)
Linux (Intel)
Sun Solaris (Sparc).
Gives you more bang for the buck than other such tools.
http://summary.net/summary/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Logging a user
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:48:37 +0100
You might take a look at the user's history file, for a start.
Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello
> Is there anyway I can log all of a specific user's movements, such as
> what commands they have run?
> Thanks
--
Anders Gulden Olstad @ Brinkley | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
RedHat 5.2 Linux kernel 2.0.36 | "Penguins are generally nice creatures"
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From: PalmII@<remove>.com (soume yoeung guih)
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 16:58:34 GMT
Reply-To: PalmII@<remove>.com
Are you serious?
just a c-?
Ok ... I didnt try hard enough true .. but as for posting to
rec.pets.cats My server only supports 5 news groups per post. I was
just trolling on this one.
On 09 Jan 1999 11:46:43 -0500, Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>PalmII@<remove>.com (soume yoeung guih) writes:
>> Linus is such a pansy mother fucker. He needs real balls like bill
>> gates. Linus says "Hey Im a gay boy and give my shit away." Bill says:
>> "I own you linus mother fucker." Linus is a fuckin retard. Who else
>>[etc.]
>
>Overall troll score: C-
>Specific demerits:
> Not cross-posted to rec.pets.cats
> Reliance on profanity to provoke
> No misc.test follow-up redirection
>
>
>-Tom
>kids these days, eeesh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 23:19:18 GMT
On Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:50:25 -0800, Poison Ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>The US antitrust laws are designed to protect consumers, not competitors.
>>>Has the consumer been harmed? Of course not.
>>
>>Of course not???
>>
>>1) Consumers are overpaying for software, because their's no competition
>>allowing prices to be artificially high.
>
>
>In what sense are consumers overpaying for software? Most consumers get
>Win98 for about $90 (the retail upgrade price). If I remember right, OEMs
>pay about $70. Compared to most popular software, this is pretty darn cheap.
>Especially considering that an OS enables the user to run all his other
>software.
READ my link you dumb ass
http://www.stateandlocal.org/report.html
The tables show MS prices are well above competitors
>So I suspect Microsoft is keeping the price of Windows artificially *low*.
>The low prices are how Microsoft maintains its monopoly. Artificially low
>prices make for very happy consumers, but competing OS producers obviously
>hate it.
Bullshit. I pay $2 for Linux.
>Standard Oil is a great example of a monopoly that should have been left
>alone. Its market share had fallen sharply, thanks to aggressive
>competition, *before* the anti-trust laws were put into effect. The
>government tried to fix a problem that was already fixing itself. The SO
>breakup turned out to be a ridiculously expensive burden on business with no
>benefit to consumers whatsoever. Government intervention at its very worst.
>
The U.S. refining industry, the remnants of Standard Oil, leads the world
in refining and petrochemicals to this day. OTOH, look at what happened to
U.S. Steel.....
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From: "Mosl Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:52:01 +0100
David Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>"T.J. Rowe" wrote:
>
>> thereof. The case is simple, right now my install of RH Linux 5.0 won't
>> support simple commonly used hardware that I have, such as chaining my
Zip
>> drive and printer together, I have to reboot and use them individually.
>
>1) You don't have to reboot, just rmmod the module thats driving the
>Zip (not sure which one it is)
Would be very curriouse about the anser :-)
Linux SUSE 6.0 lets the newbie so helpless alone with
all those important questions like how do I connect
my parallel drive ZIP
>2) Windows supports chaining but it doesn't work very well (admitedly
>that is my experience, it may not be anyone elses) My sister is
>constantly complaining that she either can't access files on the zip
>just after printing, or what more commonly happens is windows locks up
>or just instantly reboots. Even the common windows fix of reinstalling
>doesn't do any good :-)
In this case, I have no problem with Win 95.
I can disconnect my notebook from the parallel ZIP,
and connect it after several hours (if no reboot :-)
to an other parallel ZIP
Mosl Roland
http://pege.org/ clear targets for a confused civilization
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:51:33 +0000
From: Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Commands
Register a personal bookshelf account at www.mcp.com. Its Macmillen
publishing's web site, and once you register (no charge), you can access
electronic copys of most of their books. There are a few linux ones
(They aint amazing though)
Regards
Rob
RFSP wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Where can I find a site or a book with all linux commands.
>
> thx
--
Computer uptime is 13 hours under Linux 2.0.35
Rob Barnes
Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Page : Brother wrecked it, last time I let him use FTP..
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:49:30 +0000
From: Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how often do you -really- need to upgrade
Well, I tend to only maintain the software packages I use and my kernel,
but ive only been running linux for 9 months so you cant say that im
very experienced as time goes on. Put it this way, ive rebuild more
windows installations in the past 9 months than linux ones (got 2 NT
boxes, one solaris one and a linux one). Linux is just one of those
things that one you get it working it works forever (almost), which is
why I like it.
Regards
Rob
steve mcadams wrote:
>
> I'm still trying different distributions (so far I like S.u.S.E. 5.3
> the best, but I have a half-dozen I haven't tried yet). Once I settle
> on one, how often am I really going to need to upgrade?
>
> I can't see needing to do more than rebuild the kernel, and any tools
> that stop working due to any kernel interface or behaviour changes.
> Or if some new tool I really really want to use requires an interfaced
> in a kernel newer than the one I'm running.
>
> What have you guys seen over the years? How often do yo do any kind
> of upgrade? More than a new kernel? -steve
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Tools for programmers: http://www.codetools.com/showcase
--
Computer uptime is 12 hours under Linux 2.0.35
Rob Barnes
Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Page : Brother wrecked it, last time I let him use FTP..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 9 Jan 1999 18:53:19 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(jedi) wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 04:52:52 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >In article <76u4l4$hso$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mosl Roland"
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >> The trick is, that Windows marketing makes the people believe,
>> >> that they can do everything very simple by clicking around.
>
>> > This is the old Macintosh stereotype!!!
>> The mac never had ISA to deal with.
>
> True, but look at what all the DOS-heads had said about the Macintosh
>-- that it was a toy and not a Real Computer because it was all
>point-and-click.
Sad thing being that they were right. Doesn't make Windows less shitty,
but MacOS *is* piece of luser-friendly dreck. As well as Windows, all right.
System that doesn't have a trivial way to send f*cking binary data to printer
with *no* *changes* *at* *all*, *just* *as* *is*... Yes, I know that ideology -
everything is an object and system knows better what to do with it. IMHO it's
fascist design. People who wrote it should enjoy Pascal mixed with ADA.
> ObLinux: How does one deal with ISA, IRQ's and DMA's in Linux? Is there
>some configuration file that specifies which interrupt is associated with
>which device? I'd imagine that this file would be plain old text.
RTFSource. arch/i386/kernel/*.c
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: Alan Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:01:01 -0600
Netnerd wrote:
>
> David Steuber wrote in message ...
> >
> >The only fact we have is that someone posted that a consumer poll said
> >that 81% of consumers thought that Microsoft was good for the market,
> >or something. That poster neglected to site the specific poll in
> >question, so we don't even know if such a poll took place.
>
> Would you believe the publisher was the Consumer Federation of America?
No, but I would believe Citizens for a Sound Economy (whoever they are)
http://www.cse.org/cse/nr-telecom990107csef.htm
CFA says MS overcharged consumers and should be fined $10 billion
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/archive/19990108/news/current/msft.htx?source=blq/yhoo&dist=yhoo
--
"I don't believe in anti-anything. A man has to have a
program; you have to be *for* something, otherwise you
will never get anywhere." -- Harry S Truman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Point of Sale (POS) Solutions?
Date: 9 Jan 1999 17:23:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:21:27 -0500, Jason P. Stanford
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> I have been asked to look into whether there is a Linux + Win (or
>possibly just Linux) solution for a small retail business. This store
>currently has one location and will be opening a second one by the end
>of the first quarter. Their current setup includes several Wintel PC's
>running a DOS-based POS system in a DOS window. This has been working
>ok, but it is limited to five stations, does not have an integrated
>general accounting, payroll, etc program. It is only the inventory and
>register functions.
See the URL below; there are a couple of POS systems to look at.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/financelinux.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What POP server?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 23:47:38 +0100
I like to use popper this is standard with SuSE it works great. I use it in
our company and no problems whatsoever.
An other small mistake is that IMAP generates alot of overhead. Since the
user doesnt have to download all the mail to its workstation just like with
POP3. So you save alot of overhead on NIC IRQ's. The protocoll it self and
the browsing through mail folders isn't a lot of strain on your server.
Specially not when it is a P133 or higher.
The biggest disadvantage might be that the mail will reside upon your
IMAP server untill it is either moved to a local mailbox or deleted and
purged. But I know out of experience that users most often don't have the
knowledge of how to drag and drop mail from the server to the local mailbox.
This causes eventually that you are running out of disk space. That is why we
use POP3 because it is easier for the users and the mail is beeing removed
from the server after reading the mailbox.
Raymond
Tom Zeltwanger wrote:
> I am looking for recommendations for a good POP server to use on
> a LINUX mail server. I used to use pop3d, but that seems to be getting
> old (no new versions) and I want one that is keeping up with the times.
> I tried installing the IMAP.rpm that is provided by RedHat (which includes
> a POP server) but I really don't want the IMAP at the moment, so that is
> extra overhead.
>
> Tom Zeltwanger, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Virtual Communication Services www.electronicmessaging.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Unable to open an initial console
Date: 9 Jan 1999 15:58:43 GMT
Hi Karsten,
You are right!
I downloaded (loaded down?) a bootdisk from http://www.tom.net/rb/.
Then I checked my partition table.
Indeed, my root partition changed from hda9 to hda10!!!
I modified my /etc/fstab and my /etc/lilo.conf
After booting from lilo with parameter root=/dev/hda10
my system booted correctly.
Thanx to You and all the ohers for your interesst and help!
Micha
p.s. the mini-linux bootdisk is great. it helped me to repair
a friends win98 machine. he renamed the \windows\fonts folder to
\windows\schriftarten ("schriftarten" is german and means fonts).
so his system wont startup. it was no problem to
fix it with this bootdisk.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 9 Jan 1999 22:55:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Morris allegedly wrote:
>>Can you play a playstation online with a group of other users?
>>Maybe thats why people want to play games on a PC,/unix/linux box.
>
>
>OK.. I see now.
>
>You mean there is no way to network a bunch of
>Playstations together to do same thing?
Nope, not AFAIK. The Atari Jaguar (and even the handheld Lynx) could do it,
though.
(You could connect up to 16-17 of 'em together...especially cool for "Alien
vs. Predator" :)
--
"Being myself a remarkably stupid fellow, I have had to unteach myself the
difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts that are
not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:16:26 +0000
Frank Sweetser wrote:
> "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"
My favorite twainism, and forgive my bastardized paraphraze, "Now
suppose you were a congressman, and suppose you are an idiot....but, I
repeat myself."
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit the Mohawk Software website: www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Mark Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: StarOffice 50 key?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 17:18:41 -0700
Rob wrote:
> To be honist I really found staroffice to be pretty bad and would of
> been extremly miffed if I had payed for it. Its got all the features of
> Its M$ counterpart, i just could not do any real work on it because it
> crashed or locked up every 5 minuetes...May of been because I buggered
> up my first installation of it, so may try it again sometime.
>
> Has anyone else had good/bad experiences of it?
Hmmmmm, you should check your installation. I have been pounding on
both StarOffice 5.0 and WordPerfect 8.0 under SuSE 5.3.
Both are working great; I am trying to decide which one to go with,
but my StarOffice 5.0 installation seems rock solid.
-Mark
-- Mark Watson, consultant and author of 11 books on AI, Java, C++.
-- http://www.markwatson.com for Open Source (Java, NLPserver, etc.)
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:14:22 +0000
Netnerd wrote:
>
> David Steuber wrote in message ...
> >d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox) writes:
> >
> >-> This is such a standard crackpot rant. "Everyone I talk to agrees
> >-> with me, these polls must be full of it." I think it was invented by
> >-> Rush Limbaugh. Its a convenient way to get people to ignore facts.
> >
> >The only fact we have is that someone posted that a consumer poll said
> >that 81% of consumers thought that Microsoft was good for the market,
> >or something. That poster neglected to site the specific poll in
> >question, so we don't even know if such a poll took place.
>
> Would you believe the publisher was the Consumer Federation of America?
I read, I think it was a report on www.boston.com, first Microsoft
admitted that they may have contributed to the organization, then said
they didn't.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit the Mohawk Software website: www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Robin Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:26:46 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Johan Kullstam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Robin Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> It's unwise of Americans to talk about genocide. Europeans carried out
>> genocide in the New World long before Adolf.
>
>why is it unwise? the americans largely suceeded!
>
M$ says genocide good for US economy why not? It's not far from the
truth oder?
--
Robin Becker
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From: citizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Crossposted-To: misc.consumers.frugal-living
Date: 9 Jan 1999 16:36:36 +0800
Premise Checker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone have experience with the Linux operating system? How do I get
> started? How do I hook up a modem? (I'm using Procomm Plus for Windows
> now), word processing (WP 5.1 for Dos, WP 8 for windows), and using a
> graphics ISP (such as ATT or MSN)?
I have been using commercial Unix for about 6 years. DEC, Sun,
and HP-UX. They have all been good, but they have all been
expensive. They all require their own proprietory software, hardware.
Once they obsolete something, you are screwed. In other words,
once you invest a lot of money in one company, they got you
and you can't make demands. They will charge you whatever they
want. I heard many people express disappointment about that.
Same thing, to a much greater degree, holds true for Microsoft.
It is a monopoly on PC market and expensive. Expensive software,
and not very good operating system. Any kind of Unix is far
cheaper, far more stable, with far more tools - but this is from
the sysadmin perspective.
http://www.unix-vs-nt.org
This has got to be the greatest site dedicated to the Unix-vs-NT issue,
honestly, check it out. It just nails all the points perfectly.
Linux is a great alternative to commericial software, be it commericial
Unix like AIX or Solaris and it is a great alternative to anything.
If you want a frugal operating system, you can build one yourself.
Another, essentially just as inexpensive method, is getting a
machine with Linux pre-installed and nearly everything ready to go.
This is what I will do - one great site that I found, where I will
probably order mine is: www.aslab.com. Quality components, Redhat
5.2 installed.
Ask them to include PPP support in the kernel , then you will just
have to configure it and you are ready to go. I don't know about
GUI-based ISP such as ATT, I don't know if they support Linux.
The reason I like Linux, is becasue it has tons of freeware tools
avaialble for it. Just like other Unixes, really. Find a cool
package on the Internet, like PGP, emacs, Perl, whatnot, compile it,
install it. If you don't like it, just delete it. Linux epitomizes
the Age of Free Information. The concept is really cool, and I hope
it evolves further into something great.
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From: Steve Shofner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem with LILO
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 08:03:04 -0800
I'm new to Linux and the whole wonderful UNIX realm. I've borrowed a
copy of Red Hat Linux to get my feet wet, but can't get it to install.
It goes through the whole installation fine until it tries to load
LILO. It begins, and then gives me a window with the message "An error
occured during step "Install bootloader" of the install." I've been
thinking it is a problem with my hd partitioning, and have tried
everthing I can think of. I've also exhausted all the documentation I
can find for advice. Things I've tried: making the first partition
small (for the 1023 situation), using a DOS fdisk to erase the MBR
(using "fdisk /mbr"), toggled the active status of the boot partition
(although, I'm not to sure if I did this one right), and I've
repartitioned the Linux drive many times with different variances. My
system is an old 486/66 with a 1.2 GB drive and a 240 MB drive. I have
DOS on the small drive. HELP PLEASE! Please, also, reply to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Grossman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Telnet In, FTP In, Etc
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:46:52 GMT
Hello,
I have just set up a Red Hat Linux system. But how do I get it so I
can telnet in, ftp in, etc?
Thanks,
Jeff
---
Jeff Grossman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: citizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Crossposted-To: misc.consumers.frugal-living
Date: 9 Jan 1999 16:48:33 +0800
mountain mover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You are missing the point. I'm talking about the
> average user. You know, the guy next door.
> I don't want to pay Oracle price for a home
> database software. Can Oracle sell me v8 for
> less than MS Access? I think not.
> Corel? Give me a break! who can I send WP docs
> these days?
> Most of the affordable home-use software for Linux
> are from tiny companies that's run by some parttime
> person.
> Just think:
> If I spend $100 dollars to develop a software, I need
> to make at least $100. If I sell to 200 Windows user,
> I just need to charge $2 per user. If I sell to Linux
> I need to charge him $200.
> Most of the big companies that's supporting Linux with
> home-use software seems to have already lost the Windows
> market.
> I'm not against Linux, in fact I bought my first 386
> mainly to run Linux, and I remember dloading version
> 0.12 with some friends. However, it has not reached the
> stage that I would recommend Linux to your average home
> user who needs a machine for kid's school paper, net
> surfing, kitchen recipes, Quicken, etc.
You are right, it has not reached that state yet.
But, it will. Trust me.
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From: citizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Crossposted-To: misc.consumers.frugal-living
Date: 9 Jan 1999 16:59:27 +0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Some apps (exactly which and how many seem to vary some between versions...)
> can be run with the assistance of Wine, an attempt to implement the Windows API
> (the way Windows gets called and what it does) for the X Window System, which is the
> graphic layer of the Unix systems. Unix is essentially text based, but for a personal
> you install the X Window System (not much sense to have it installed on a screenless
> mail/web/ftp/file/whatever server standing ticking moth after moth in a closet
> somewhere. The X Window System offers different Window Managers that determines
> the actual look and feel of the system, there are those that look very much like
>Win95,
> others like NextStep and on and on...
> Check out www.cheapbytes.com or www.lsl.com for CDs, or get it straight off the net,
> www.debian.org, www.redhat.com, www.suse.com...
That is right. There is an important trend developing. Instead of being
a "hacker" type OS, Linux is becoming mainstream. When Word Perfect became
available for Linux, you better believe Linux is being taken seriously.
It is getting to be mainstream. Now, instead of ordering parts from someone,
then installing the OS, a lot of people just get the pre-installed
package. Would the average computer user assemble a Windows machine,
the install Windows piece-by-piece? Customize it? I really don't think
so. Then why would the Unix community expect the average user to do
that for Unix machines? Hell, just buy the ready product. The availability
of companies that offer plug-and-play Linux machines is an important step
towards mainstream acceptance of Linux.
And it is good.
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