Linux-Misc Digest #538, Volume #25 Wed, 23 Aug 00 20:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Aww, man! ! ! ! !!!!!!! (scott)
Re: Linux 6.2 professional at a reasonable price. (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Firewall for Linux (Bit Twister)
Re: Operating system file name restrictions? Where? (David C.)
Re: If XWin hang, how to kill it (Tony Lawrence)
Re: Lotus Mail ("someone")
Re: FYI: Applix vs. StarOffice vs. WP8 for Linux.... (Josh Rovero)
Re: Linux vs. Windows 9x/NT (Jean-David Beyer-valinux)
How to compile a Linux kernel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Good books (Rod Smith)
Re: Use linux machine to handle automated backups from windows and mac systems on
network? (Vito Prosciutto)
Re: commands hanging in RH6.1 (Tony Lawrence)
Re: Linux 6.2 professional at a reasonable price. ("Mel")
Re: Operating system file name restrictions? Where? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Use linux machine to handle automated backups from windows and mac systems on
network? (Rod Smith)
Re: Files and directories use by a program (Tony Lawrence)
Re: Best way to learn "real world" skills? (Tony Lawrence)
Re: Medical Practice software (Tony Lawrence)
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From: scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Aww, man! ! ! ! !!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:05:46 -0400
hmph... im writing this from the kdenews util inside gnome... but i cant get
above 640x480 @ 8bpp ... i have the following options for my card
Option "no_bitblt"
Option "no_accel"
Option "sw_cursor"
Option "fast_vram"
Option "no_imageblt"
dacspeed 135
:o(
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Crossposted-To:
za.local.cape-town,soc.culture.south-africa,linux.redhat.install,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux 6.2 professional at a reasonable price.
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:23:31 GMT
"Mel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Did you notice that that version is marked:
> > > NOT FOR EXPORT
> > > Not for export to, or sale to a national of, any country other than the
> U.S.
> > > and Canada, pursuant to U.S. law.
> > well, if you're outside the US, why would you care about US law?
> > nevermind who smuggled it out, once it reaches, e.g., somalia, it's
> > fair game!
> I'm not in Somalia. I'm in South Africa. :)
right, but you just want to *import* it. the *export* aspect is for
someone else to worry about.
> I have an idea that their site is out of date, I think the export
> legislation of cryptography has been changed.
netscape seems to be a lot less uptight about 128 bit encrypted
versions. i surmise that some rules have been relaxed.
> The Professional package includes support in the price. If I wanted
> to make use of that support I wouldn't be able to on an illegally
> exported package. And it's sort of a principle thing too. I value
> Linux as an excellent alternative to M. So that leads me to want to
> play the game and support them so that they can continue to deliver
> a quality product.
yes, this attitude does make sense.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bit Twister)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Firewall for Linux
Reply-To: This_news_group.invalid
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:23:41 GMT
You did not post what Linux/release.
You should already have one loaded and just need to set the rules
and turn it on.
This built me a tight ipchain firewall rule set
http://linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/firewall/index.html
I used DENY, hardcoded external addresses, logged everything.
As part of the instruction and if you read the script, it will
give several suggestions as to where you install the firewall
and turn on IP Masquerading.
You might want to read Armoring Linux
http://www.enteract.com/~lspitz/linux.html
and http://www.securityportal.com/lskb/articles/
and http://www.securityportal.com/lasg/
and http://www.cert.org/advisories/
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:26:31 +0800, Jason Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I would like to install a firewall on my Linux box. Does anyone have any
>suggestions?
>I am a newbie for this and I want to know which one is good...
>
--
The warranty and liability expired as you read this message.
If the above breaks your system, it's yours and you keep both pieces.
Practice safe computing. Backup the file before you change it.
Do a, man command_here or cat command_here, before using it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.programmer.help,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc
Subject: Re: Operating system file name restrictions? Where?
Date: 23 Aug 2000 19:32:15 -0400
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> On UNIX, you can use anything but the directory separator (/)
>
> you cannot use the null char \0 either. i just got done saying that
> but someone chopped it out. that makes *two* chars you can't have in
> a filename -- / and \0.
Well, yes.
I didn't think I had to be that pedantic. Do you know of anybody who
wanted to try and create a file with a NULL in the name?
BTW, the directory-entry structure (struct dirent) used on most UNIX
platforms uses a counted-string (not a NULL-terminated one). So the
file system can handle such a name. Of course, 99.999% of software for
UNIX, including the OS itself, uses NULL-terminated strings for
filenames, so you'd never be able to access such a file if you could
manage to put one on the disk.
-- David
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: If XWin hang, how to kill it
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:33:24 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> > And how do you enter killall X if your X server is so crashed that you
> > cannot get a CLI at all; i.e., when Control-Alt-PF[1-6] do nothing? The
> > only suggestion I have heard for this that I could use is to ssh (or
> > telnet if I had it enabled) into the machine from my other machine and do
> > it from there.
>
> Well, when this IS the case, and even CTRL ALT F1...F6 don't work, you
> should still NOT reboot immediately...
I've not seen this on Linux, but I've seen SCO alt-screens
APPEAR not to work- that is, you really have switched to
ALT-F1 or whatever, but the video is so confused that the
gui display is still sitting there. In that circumstance
(which is extremely rare-I've seen it only once or twice
over many, many years and many, many machines) you can
actually type commands and get the screen to reset- on SCO
it's "/etc/clean_screen -g" (you'd surround that with
CTR-J's 'cause the stty's are probably munged too) to reset
the screen- I'm not aware of any direct Linux equivalent,
but with forethought "savetextmode" and "textmode" would
seem to provide the same idea- the apparent difference being
that you need to run "savetextmode" *before* you get
yourself in this mess..
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com/Linux
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From: "someone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Lotus Mail
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:30:00 +0800
Thanks for the reply.
Is there a mail connector I can use with sendmail/qmail/fetchmail, etc..
that allows me to get mails from the server if the server is not configured
for pop/imap due to whatever reasons ?
Thanks again.
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8o0khd$rvv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.help someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : My company uses lotus mail server for their internal email needs. My
problem
> : is this :- I'll be setting up a internet gateway on a linux box. Is
there
> : anyway to setup a linux web-base email server to interface to the lotus
> : server so that I can read my mails anywhere in the world ?
>
> ?? If the lotus mail server supports pop or imap you can get email from
> it anywhere anyway. Maybe lotus mail isn't mail. Doesn't it have a web
> interface too? Just curious.
>
> Peter
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From: Josh Rovero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FYI: Applix vs. StarOffice vs. WP8 for Linux....
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:36:21 GMT
Arthur Sowers wrote:
>
> I bought WP8 for Linux (Corel's) at a local Sam's club. I bought Sun's
> CD-ROM disk for $10 with StarOffice 5.1 on it (it has versions of SO for
> Win98 [and I have one copy installed as a Win98 ap], Linux, Solaris, and
> OS/2, by the way), and just this weekend, I decided to spring for Applix
> 5.0 (an office suite for Linux) at Best Buy (must have been on sale, the
> cash register rang it up for $62) to see how well it ran.
>
I spent a fair amount of time comparing Applix and Star Office.
Applix works better IN MY CASE. Can run it remotely from
other X displays, handles the interchange with MxxxxSxxx
formats I need, can spawn as many copies of Word or
Spreadsheet as I need, all in separate windows. It does
not take over the desktop like Star Office. I typically
have at least 20 other windows open on my dual head box,
and found it difficult to appreciate the Star Office
approach.
Your mileage may vary.........
--
P. Josh Rovero KK1D Oceanographer & Meteorologist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.home.net/provero
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From: Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Windows 9x/NT
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:32:24 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've seen the more and more websites like slashdot and other tech sites
> are shunning windows and moving over various linux packages. I moved
> from windows to linux last march and so far, although it's been
> complicated to set up I haven't looked back. By contast, when using
> windows on my notebook, I've found it frustrating to use and
> unreliable.
>
> The question I'd like to pose to the newsgroup would be what makes
> Windows so unreliable and prone to crashing?
>
> Is it the closed source nature of the kernel? Or is it just down to
> incompetent programmers at Microsoft? Surely MS should know that it
> crashes a lot, and they release update after patch after upgrade and
> there dosen't seem to be any improvement from windows95 to windows98 -
> surely MS can be aware that they're cranking out buggy code, but they
> don't do anything about it (but people still buy it - that's another
> story...). I can't understand why they haven't eliminated the
> deaded 'invalid page' error yet, but Linux has surged on ahead in a
> relativly short time.
>
> Also, what improvements to Linux would you make to make it as
> accessable and as popular to the general computer using populous?
>
> Bill Gates obsessed with the idea of a computer in every home, but I
> rather suspect that this 'vision' comes with the condition that it's
> his OS installed on those computers.
>
> So, what do you guys think?
I think there are several problems with the Microsoft culture that is to
blame.
First of all, I suspect that their programmers are not stupid and
incompetent. On the contrary, it is my understanding that they are
extremely intelligent and well educated.
I think the real problem is the management of the company; the "this is
good enough for our customers" attitude.
These programmers probably have never worked on a large project with
deadlines. By large, I mean a lot more that the number of PhD students
some thesis advisor has. They probably never had to design a system that
had to survive many different versions, with updates and requiring
continuing support by people who were not involved in the initial design.
I have no inside information, but I imagine the basic architecture of the
suite of programs was never really designed. They hired a bunch of good
coders, but had no really good system architects or programmers (as
distinguished from coders). They had enough knowledge, but not enough
experience.
They (the coders, programmers, and management) never read Fred Brooks'
book, "The Mythical Man-Month," or, if they did, did not understand it. In
fact, one of Brooks' aphorisms, "Adding more people to a late project only
serves to make it later," probably accounts for most of the initial
problems. Since then, they have never been able to wipe the slate clean
and start afresh. When the idea of NT first came about was, I think, their
last chance to fix things. NT: New Technology. But they dropped the ball
in a rush to meet a delivery date instead of doing the job right.
Since then, they have been plagued by the marketing requirement to run all
the legacy code of the embedded base even though the underlying foundation
is fatally flawed, so they can no longer fix things.
The other plague is the political one: how to integrate evey possible
feature into one monolithic whole that the government cannot split it up
(or even the users). These are antithetical to making good software.
I think it would require a complete cultural shift at Microsoft to improve
matters. I though that the replacement of Gates by Ballmer (sp.?) offered
that opportunity, but it was too late and I am not sure he is up to it. I
think the idea of Bill Gates as "principle architect" is a joke.
--
Jean-David Beyer .~.
Shrewsbury, New Jersey /V\
Registered Linux User 85642. /( )\
Registered Machine 73926. ^^-^^
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to compile a Linux kernel
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:34:55 GMT
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Good books
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:46:43 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8o1dqc$ff9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Since I'll get more and more involved with Linux I would like some
> recommendations about good books.
> I prefer Red Hat and it would also be good if it's updated for the
> latest release (6.2 at the moment).
> But also generic books that is a must, is interesting.
>
> One note though I don't want books that are concentrating on one
> specific issue e.g. TCP/IP.
It makes sense to buy 1-3 general-purpose Linux books, but beyond that
(and arguably even at the 2 and especially 3 points, depending upon the
specific books), you'll get little out of subsequent books. _Running
Linux_ is a perennial favorite general-purpose book, but it's not Red
Hat-specific. If you want to build up a library of Linux books, you'll
really need to go into specific stuff -- perhaps not TCP/IP
specifically, but networking, important (to you) applications, etc. I've
got recommendations in several categories on my web page,
http://www.rodsbooks.com/books/. (This main page emphasizes my own
books, but there are links to recommendations in specific categories
that cover books in those categories.)
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Vito Prosciutto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Use linux machine to handle automated backups from windows and mac
systems on network?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:38:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you are like me (I have two machines), you want the thing to run by
> itself while you are asleep. You must have access to the other
machines. I
> happen to back up each machine on itself, since both have tape
drives. The
> old machine has a floppy tape that will hold about 850 Megabytes on
QIC
> tapes (about $30 a piece). I have cron fork off a process at about 4AM
> that runs find to select the files to backup and dump that into cpio
to
> get them onto the tape. Works fine.
> machine fills up, it will come to pass that I run out of tape and the
> backup will hang, waiting for me to change the tape. (Actually, the
way it
> is set up now, it will just abort) But all I would have to do is have
Having it pause when it fills up a tape until I put in a fresh one
isn't a big deal for me. Especially if I can have a monitor running on
whatever machine I'm using most to let me know that it's time to change
the tape. There's definitely more data than will fit on the tape drive
I'm likely to buy (ideally I should probably go with dat, but that may
be out of budget).
-vp
--
"Leave the gun, take the cannoli."
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: commands hanging in RH6.1
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:53:40 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks Bob, and all who responded. I read man, but my conceptual
> disability makes me miss stuff. That (the missing 'f') was the problem.
> I believe the behavior with 'route' may relate to the difference between
> this box (server setup) and the other (workstation install) where I don't
> see this behavior.
Maybe, but I bet it's just a DNS problem: try "route -n".
If that works instantly then you just have DNS pointing
wrong..
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com/Linux
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From: "Mel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
za.local.cape-town,soc.culture.south-africa,linux.redhat.install,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux 6.2 professional at a reasonable price.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:56:55 +0200
"Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> right, but you just want to *import* it. the *export* aspect is for
> someone else to worry about.
But I worry for them. ;)
> > The Professional package includes support in the price. If I wanted
> > to make use of that support I wouldn't be able to on an illegally
> > exported package. And it's sort of a principle thing too. I value
> > Linux as an excellent alternative to M. So that leads me to want to
> > play the game and support them so that they can continue to deliver
> > a quality product.
> yes, this attitude does make sense.
Actually I haven't yet run Linux, but I am keen to try, but not on the
computer I normally work on. Unless it is totally safe to do a dual boot. I
would go for Redhat Linux. I wonder, is it worth downloading it first or
should I shell out $30 for the standard edition?
--
Mel's new supersonic design
|
---oo-O-oo---
(Crash and burn!)
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.programmer.help,comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc
Subject: Re: Operating system file name restrictions? Where?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:54:50 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.) writes:
> Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> On UNIX, you can use anything but the directory separator (/)
> >
> > you cannot use the null char \0 either. i just got done saying that
> > but someone chopped it out. that makes *two* chars you can't have in
> > a filename -- / and \0.
>
> Well, yes.
>
> I didn't think I had to be that pedantic. Do you know of anybody who
> wanted to try and create a file with a NULL in the name?
i dunno, the same idiot who would name his file backspace "\8"?
> BTW, the directory-entry structure (struct dirent) used on most UNIX
> platforms uses a counted-string (not a NULL-terminated one).
and they used to be in a fixed 14 char field which for shorter
filenames was terminated early by \0. furthermore, there has never
been a reason for excluding / in the directory entries themselves
except that nothing would work properly. this is the same argument
against \0.
> So the
> file system can handle such a name.
modern ones, yes.
> Of course, 99.999% of software for
> UNIX, including the OS itself, uses NULL-terminated strings for
> filenames, so you'd never be able to access such a file if you could
> manage to put one on the disk.
i think open(2) pretty much requires null terminated strings.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Use linux machine to handle automated backups from windows and mac
systems on network?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:56:21 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8o1g82$i9s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Vito Prosciutto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> OK, here's what's sitting (or soon to be sitting) in my office:
>
> Mac 8500 running Mac OS 9
> Wintel clone running Win2K Pro
> Wintel clone running some variant of Linux
> Cable modem
> whatever cables, hubs, etc. that I will need.
>
> What I'd like to be able to do with the linux box is have it run
> automated back-ups of itself and the networked wintel and mac machines.
> The idea being that I'd periodically walk over to the linux box, pop in
> a new tape and feel secure that I've always got a current back-up of
> all my systems.
>
> So the question is: is this a realistic prospect?
This is certainly do-able for the Windows box; you can use smbmount in
Linux to mount a Windows share and back it up on a regular basis (say,
using cron). The major caveat is that restoring a Win2K machine is a
pain at best, especially if you use NTFS. You might want to consider
using a smallish (<1GB) boot partition, which you can back up with some
variety of image backup software, ideally to CD-R, every 1-6 months,
depending on how often it changes. In case of emergency, you can use
this CD-R-based image to restore the system to a bootable status, then
recover everything else from tape. One other caveat is that this process
won't back up NTFS's security features.
The Mac is rougher, unfortunately. There is no reliable AppleTalk client
software for Linux, so you can't mount a Macintosh filesystem as you can
a Windows filesystem -- at least, not without investing in NFS or
SMB/CIFS server software for the Mac. If you do that, I can't guarantee
that the files will be restorable to a working system. A better solution
for the Mac is to use some client-initiated backup process. You can, for
instance, back up using a Mac package that backs up over FTP, then store
the recently-FTPed files to tape using Linux. This makes restores
awkward, though, and it requires you have enough disk space on Linux to
(temporarily) handle the backup load. You can use similar processes to
back up Windows using a Linux-based tape drive, if you want to preserve
NTFS permissions. Check the commercial backup packages for Windows and
Mac for details. For Windows, ARKEIA (http://www.arkeia) includes both
Windows and Linux support, and so should work fairly smoothly, although
I've never used it myself.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Files and directories use by a program
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:58:01 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am running a command line program (realproducer) and would like to
> know the files and directories used while that program is running.
>
> Is there a command to visualize that?
Ayup. It's "lsof" and it does that and more..
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com/Linux
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best way to learn "real world" skills?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:04:14 -0400
David Rysdam wrote:
> On the other hand, if you are a quick learner you can do what I did.
> I'm a programmer. I learned on Unix machines at school but then did
> all Windows/DOS programming on the job. I installed Linux at home and
> played with it for a couple of years and then just applied to a Linux
> programming position. They offered, I accepted and now I'm free!
You aren't "free" if you have a job:
http://pcunix.com/Opinion/employ.html :-)
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com/Linux
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From: Tony Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Medical Practice software
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:08:18 -0400
Myron Murff wrote:
>
> My wife, a geriatrician, is contemplating private practice. Are any
> practice management/patient billing packages available for linux?
Dunno, but there have been plenty on SCO, and most of those
should run under Linux without issues..
--
Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com/Linux
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