Linux-Misc Digest #551, Volume #18 Sun, 10 Jan 99 15:13:16 EST
Contents:
Turtle Beach Montego II A3D Support (S. Morrow)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Gunnar
Beushausen)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Jeff Kay)
Re: Benchmarks for Linux multi-processor. (Stephen E. Halpin)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Loose Nut)
Re: pthreads on RH5.0 ("A. Garrett Lisi")
Re: [censored] Can Suck My Hairy Cock ("Osvaldo Pinali Doederlein")
Re: Mounting FAT32 filesystem, newbie help (Carl-Johan Kjellander)
Re: Best Free Unix? (Philip Brown)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... ("OmniČ")
Re: StarOffice 50 key? (Philip Brown)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... ("OmniČ")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S. Morrow)
Subject: Turtle Beach Montego II A3D Support
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:04:03 GMT
Has anyone gotten this sound card to work under linux? Even if it was
limited or restricted use. I can't get mine to work at all.
Unfortunately, not even OSS looks like they will be having support for
it any time soon. Supposedly, they are trying. But if anyone has
even gotten this card to make any noise at all, I'd sure like to know
how you did it. My system is a Dell XPS 450 if that helps.
Skip
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:45:59 GMT
On 10 Jan 1999 10:09:06 +0100, David Kastrup
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us
all with this bit of wisdom:
>"Poison Ivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Johan Kullstam wrote in message ...
>>
>> >> If Microsoft wanted to maximize profits, they would jack up the price of
>> >> Windows to $500. *That* would be a monopoly behaving at its worst,
>> gouging
>> >> consumers. A monopoly that keeps prices low does no harm to consumers.
>> >
>> >microsoft has never been interested in money. the money is simply a
>> >byproduct and tool. what bill gates wants is *control*. his goal is
>> >not `to be the richest guy on the planet' but `windows everywhere'.
>>
>>
>> I believe you hit the nail on the head, Johan.
>>
>> Gates controlling the industry is not bad for consumers, though. If
>> consumers get a valuable product for a cheap price, they will be happy.
>>
>> Consumer harm doesn't occur until the monopoly jacks the prices way up.
>
>Last time I looked, Win98 was quite more expensive than Win95 without
>any crucial functinoality more.
You're getting ripped off then. Here in the US the upgrades for both
are around $90 and the full version of both can be had for around
$180. The prices are essentially identical.
> And Windows 95 was more expensive
>than its predecessors as well. And all this while the market spread
>increased.
I don't remember how much Windows 3.1 was. What does marketshare have
to do with cost? In a free market you pick your price by how much you
can get.
>
>If a company is having a revenue level of more than 40% on mass market
>products, there is no effective competition at work.
One doesn't folow the other.
> So it seems that
>the monopoly already jacked the prices up.
Windows is priced in line with other commercial OSs.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:16:27 GMT
On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 21:43:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
chose to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>In article <#nvtpZpO#[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Netnerd"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The latest consumer poll shows that 81 percent of consumers think Microsoft
>> has been good for consumers, and 52 percent think the case was brought to
>> help Microsoft's rivals. [...]
>
> AND WHAT POLL WAS THAT??????
>
> I think the poll ought to have included:
>
>* Some questions about the familiarity of those polled with the case and
>the issues involved
>
>* Questions carefully constructed to be as non-loaded as possible
You want an honest poll? Good luck! Myself, I don't believe the
results of any poll. Not even ones that support my position.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:14:14 GMT
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 05:39:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
chose to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>On Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:18:41 -0800, Poison Ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>People who use ad hominem attacks are bad debaters. Based on what I've seen
>>so far, I can only conclude your webpage would be a waste of my time.
>
>Bad debater?? I made a point *and* provided backing evidence and you
>replied with a counterpoint and *no* backing evidence.
>
>
>>I said consumers are paying a lot less for Windows than they value Windows,
>>and therefore they are happy. Most consumers believe they are *under*-paying
>>for Windows.
>
>Most consumers don't what they're paying when they buy a OEM pre-install.
>Most businesses who do know what they're paying know their getting stung.
If they know they're getting stung and still go through with the deal
then they're morons. Obviously they don't feel that they're getting
stung since people running successful business's are not morons. Your
biggest problem is that you fail to understand that your criteria is
not universal.
>
>Furthermore What consumers believe and what is true are two different
>things.
Oh great! Another zealot that's determined to save us from ourselves!
Have any of these guys ever done any actual good?
> If you know the first thing about economics you know that a free
>market has both a supply and a demand curve. The report I linked you to
>clearly demonstrates that no supply curve exists in the OS market today.
>That means a monopoly condition exists and customers pay more than would
>if the market were competitive. That costs them whether they know it or
>not.
The report you linked is a bunch of BS from a Naderite outfit.
>
>The report also shows consumers don't realize they're being coerced into
>purchasing more hardware than they need.
*Yawn* The 'Everyone is stupid but me." routine is getting to be a bit
old. Can't you guys come up with ANY new material?
>
>>>Bullshit. I pay $2 for Linux.
>>
>>
>>What does the price of Linux have to do with the value Windows provides its
>>users?
>
>It shows what the OS market would bear if there were a supply curve, i.e.
>if it were competitive. That's the price consumers could be getting that
>value for.
No Windows shows what the OS market will bear. Its priced at the right
point. Trying to compare a freeware OS that's developed and tested
largely for free with a commercial OS is silly.
>
>You may say consumers are happy with what they have. I'm saying they'd be
>even happier if the market were competitive, because they'd have more
>money to spend on other things.
So what life altering thing do you think I should spend my $87 on?
> The report clearly demonstrates that.
Only if you're so obtuse as to believe a Naderite's lies.
> Of
>course, you need some basic education in econimics to understand the
>report.
No he just needs to become a brain dead Naderite zealot like yourself.
I'm sure he prefers his current state.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
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From: Gunnar Beushausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:29:02 +0100
"OmniČ" wrote:
> thanks anyway
> I tried it but it said permission denied
> it even says it when i go to dev/hda
> or cd /dev/hda
mount /dev/hdb /mnt
cd /mnt
--
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Gunnar Beushausen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.hof.net/~gbasic
/* GBasic, the revolutionary BASIC interpreter */
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From: Jeff Kay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:32:07 +0000
So "OmniČ"
is all your bitching an complaining about that you want to learn linux? or you
just want to cripe? I'm not expert and yet I got it working quite well.... (
yes I had used unix before and when I first used unix it seemed very strange
but after looking at a unix book I began to understand and after a couple weeks
of using unix I realised how powerful it was.... That was AIX.... I've used
Solaris, IRIX, openVMS ( uggh ) since, all before linux ).
> >How did you learn how to copy a file in dos .... I'm mean you did have to
>
> I didnt say copy a file , dickwad
> (read it next time)
> I said create a file , from nothing
The post I saw said copy...if it was not a full account of what you said...well
then I was mistaken...too bad..... act like an asshole and people will treat
you like one....
My point was in absence of your lack of couth.... that you had to learn .....
this was not DNA encoded into your brain...
create a file.... depends on what you want to do? word editing? use emacs ....
file new ( ie type emacs... then click file...then new -- save when your
done...bang no different than in windows just a different program )
on the command line "" >> filename
will create an empty file then emacs filename... or Lyx filename or joe
filename or pico filename etc...
> >So you get windows for free..... the difference is I can never be charged
> >for using linux without paying.... maybe someone will cc your message off
> >to MS and they come hunting you down...sure they have better things to do
> >but they sure would like making a point too and hey they got the spare cash
> >to do it...
>
> yeah right buddy
>
OMNI really I dont care what you think...... So your a thief be proud.......
Wow what an accomplishment...
> >While in your eyes learning linux may be like learning chinese a) over a
> >billion people have done it ( not linux, chinese ) and b) at least at the
> >end you would have had the satitsfaction of having accomplished something
> >you consider difficult....
>
> its not really a challenge
> learning C or 80x86 assembler was a challenge
> I meant that it just didnt flow right , from the start
> hell I couldnt even have installed the thing
> if the CD I had didnt have an autoboot funtion on it
Interesting that you know 80x86 assembler or c and you cant figure out
unix(linux).... Considering that unix was developed by the same guys who
developed C I'd say the logic is the same....
Geez... my autoboot didn't work and I still installed it.... If fact I copied
the dosutils dir to my c:\ drive and ran autoboot from there.... ( and I have a
CD bootable comp. )
If its not an accomplishment for you then I dont know why you're having so much
trouble.... Chinese for sure as hell would be and it makes perfect sense once
you realise that it is not the same as english or any germanic language and
adapt to an new way of doing things..... "yu gotta remeber dude" you brought up
the chinese thing.......
> yu gotta remember dude
> I'm talking like 10 minutes after instalation
> well 10 minutes after a MSDOS installation
> I was cruising
> I didnt have a headache like I do with linsux
Ten minutes after never having used dos before and never having read anything
about dos and you were wizzing along huh...whatever......and now you cant do it
with linux.......
Dos is no more intuitive than the linux command line ...come on... Dir doesn't
make sense as a command like I said... ( maybe copy does )...... how bout
chkdsk? this isn't intuitive either since most people who tried to use DOS
couldn't deal with the 8 character limit and would have preferred commands like
"check disk", "list files" etc.... DOS didn't have that ( unix could have but
people who used unix didn't want to type that much so they shortend the
commands down....
in DOS can you kill a program thats running in the background ( ok there is no
background cause DOS cant mutlitask but) Nope..... Can you do it easily in
windows (hmm maybe ) in linux
kill -9 "process id #"
That quite literally has to be one of the biggest draws for me to unix ( ok
there are tons of others but I have the power to kill a program "with extreme
prejudice" if I like even if the entire command is not intuitive, once you
learn it...bang yer set ).
So do you have X setup? use it...... You can make X look however you
want....these people who say X looks ugly..... have you tried a different
window manager..... how about configuring it...It can look exactly like
win9X... exactly!...or like a MAC or NEXT or Sun or whatever psychotic "looks"
you can dream up.... look at Enlightenment ( www.enlightenment.org )... X
doesn't look like anything.... looks the way you want it too.....
> That you make comments such as "MS will
> >own linux" or "that bill owns us" or "that your vcr has a better gui and
>
> and I agree at least my vcr looks better than x , and might I add easier to
> program
>
> and I suppose he just typed mahjong (enter)?
>
> get real buddy !
No Omni.... I have Gnome installed....he clicked on the panelbar..... scrolled
up to games... clicked mahjonng and played even though the mouse is set up to
work different than in windows...its not click to focus like windows etc.....
yet he was able to adapt to the new environment quickly..
People say linux is to hard to use... NO its not...once its setup properly any
win9X user could maneuver about X and gnome or KDE or whatever ... provided
they have a brain in their head ( many dont )... I was pointing out that my
dad is proof.... Could he set up linux...no, not a chance...but once set up
could he use it..... yes..... so can my monkey...
> I cant even get to the CD drive
> I type \dev\hdb andf I get permission denied
> and I'
> m supposed to be root
> WTF???
Well thats because...linux doesn't use \ it uses / and you dont go /dev/cdrom
to get the cdrom. You're too used to DOS and expect linux to work the same...
it doesn't..... Try VMS... its a sick conbobulation of Unix and DOS yet once
you are used to it...seems perfectly reasonable
you type
cd /mnt/cdrom
if it isn't mounted... then you type
cd /mnt
mount -t iso9960 cdrom and then
cd /cdrom
ls there's your cdrom?
Yes you have to be root.... to allow everyone to mount the cdrom, type as root
chmod 666 /dev/cdrom
now anyone can do it
there are automated tools in X to allow you to easily mount partitions (
mounting may seem strange coming from a windows environment but there is power
in it and method to the madness if you took the time to learn )
> and I'm just wondering if its going to be worth learning this illogical OS
> as I dont believe it has a better future than any MS product
> we are talking user friendly here
> after all it is PnP these days
> and no-one can screw up a win or NT instalation
> but look atr all the
> "hel" posts on the unix NG's
> I rest my case
OMNI does your CDROM work in true dos mode...if not could you get it too? Plug
and play's great if it works.... which it doesn't all the time.. And actually
Omni its USB these day... hot installs etc..
Omni.... there are far more posts to windows NG's concerning far less technical
stuff and yet people have trouble all the time...... Computers aren't tv's you
dont just turn them on like an appliance and have everything make sense.....
and I've seen this a million times ( I've helped more people than I care to
remember setup windows....show them how to use it etc.... ). Once upon a
time...I had no clue about computers at all...didn't understand DOS.... within
2 weeks I was hacking the school network..... But what did I do differently
than you.... I asked someone to take five minutes and explain to me a few basic
things ( commands ) and how to find out things on my own.... ie help dir etc...
Then I watched other people and very quickly became extremely competant....
Does this make me special.... NO..... but it is the difference between being
willing to learn and bitching that it should be obvious.....
As far as no one screwing up a win or NT install...talk to MS help...ask them
how many people have..... the numbers are amazing... people do it all the time.
People who really dont understand what they're doing do it all the time ... is
it easier than linux.... ya I think so in some cases...not all... but windows
is by no means perfect and most people never have to install it....
If your having trouble and you actually want to learn...ask question NICELY and
people will help.... hell you could have even emailed me.. if you dont want to
learn WHY did you bother? just cause its free? cause you thought you'd be
cool? why?
When you want help come ask...
until then... do this ( if ofcourse you're still interested )..... fire up
netscape
point it a /usr/doc and read or type xman and read some of the commands......
cheers
jeff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen E. Halpin)
Subject: Re: Benchmarks for Linux multi-processor.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:23:15 GMT
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:05:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen E.
>Halpin) wrote:
>>On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:58:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>>About two years ago there was an article in PC Week about comparing quad proc
>>>servers with PPro 200s with 256K and 512K caches. The OS's used were NT and
>>>netware being hit by about 20+ clients. The systems were identical in each
>>>case. The 512K cache system had +40% performance increase because it didn't
>>>have to flush the cache as much when it switch processes. They used their
>>>server bench test. Obviously your performance will vary depending on the
>>>software you are running and the number of clients/processes.
>>>
>>>So you can see why Intel wants ~$3600 for a Xeon 450 with 2mb of cache.
>>
>>It's also interesting to look at the workstation vendors such as SGI
>>and Sun who were charging $10,000 for a module with a CPU and large
>>cache for their workstations. The fact of the matter is that PC CPUs
>>are cheap because of volume and complexity. The cache on the first
>>Pentium Pro (256K) was a 15.5M transistor chip. Going to a 1M cache
>>in the same form factor meant producing a significantly more complex
>>chip in far lower quantity, which likely had a lower yield. You also
>>had to amortize extra engineering costs to design a far more complex
>>chip, along with managing all the thermal problems of dissipating 50%
>>more heat from the same carrier. Low volume and high complexity
>>result in high costs, and the same rules apply to the RISC chips as
>>well as the higher end Xeons. As some would say, "it's the cost of
>>doing business.."
>
>Definitely. I remember how hard it was to get 256K PPro 200s when they first
>came out. 166s were easy. Those $10,000 SGI and Sun CPU modules typically
>had approximately 2MB of cache I'll guess. The DEC ones had ones had anywhere
>from 1 to 2 MB on them.
Sun recently moved up to 4MB with the 360MHz module for the Ultra 60.
Either way, for integer work the Xeon with 2MB of cache is still a cost
effective chip for certain applications.
>Back to Intel: I know the the problems they had getting the PPro 512K and 1MB
>cache version out so the Xeon was probably equally tough. So maybe you can
>answer this question. Do chips like the Xeon have their yield enhanced having
>chunks of the cache switchable if there is a defect? That is I start with a
>Xeon having a 2MB cache with a few defects can Intel change the microcode to
>make it into a Xeon that works with 1 MB of cache?
I wouldnt be suprised if they did have a way to recover partially
functional chips. I know another manufacturer that recovered chips
by disabling faulty sections because I used to work with those chips.
I also remember reading that the first 486SXs were 486DXs with the
floating point units disabled to be able to sell the chips that didnt
have working floating point units. Supposedly when the 486DX yields
went up a separate die was produced for the 486SX.
>Paul
-Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loose Nut)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:23:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:03:18 +1100, "OmniČ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>we are talking user friendly here
Actually your talking "idiot proof", which is what MS(ugh, spit) is. I
concur with your opinion though. Idiots MUST have an idiot proof box
or they can't do anything. If you can't find and read the info to
install and run Linux, perhaps mommy should let go of your other hand
for a minute.
Loose Nut
___________________________________________________
"Monetary systems cannot exist without poverty."
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From: "A. Garrett Lisi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: pthreads on RH5.0
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:53:01 -0800
Hello Jonathon,
I'm getting the same errors compiling gnustep, following the HOWTO, that
you got back in April:
> pthread_signal.c:119: wrong type argument to bit-complement
> make[2]: *** [/usr/local/gnustep/depend/pthreads-1.1.0/lib/aout/pthread_signal.o]
>Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/gnustep/depend/pthreads-1.1.0/src/public'
> make[1]: *** [sources] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/gnustep/depend/pthreads-1.1.0/src'
> make: *** [all] Error 2
etc.
Did you ever get gnustep working with threads, and how?
Thanks,
Garrett Lisi
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From: "Osvaldo Pinali Doederlein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [censored] Can Suck My Hairy Cock
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:31:15 +0100
Shaygetz <"s m c q u a l e"@i x.n e t c o m.c o m> wrote in message
news:778ugj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>PS: "Cocks" aren't really very hairy; I think he really
>meant to say "hairlike."
Maybe _his_ is. After all, I don't expect such message to be written by an
human being. Can be the result of some bizarre genetic experience.
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From: Carl-Johan Kjellander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Mounting FAT32 filesystem, newbie help
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:37:17 +0100
Angus wrote:
>
> Can one just type
>
> mkdir /mnt/wherever
>
> to create the mount point
>
> or do we HAVE to edit the fstab file?
>
> i just learned how to do this today myself (to enable me to download stuff,
> since PPP is not working on Linux yet) so i am curious
Then type 'mount -t vfat /dev/hdax /mnt/wherever' or something like
that.
Check the manpage. You have to do this (as root) everytime you reboot
if you don't put it in fstab.
> Ian Hay wrote:
>
> > Jess Canada wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, I'm new to Linux. I'm using RH 5.0 and I use System Commander for a
> > > dual boot with Win98. I need to know how to mount my FAT32 filesystem in
> > > Linux. I looked for /dev/hda1 in etc/fstab, but it's not there, and there
> > > isn't anything with an msdos filesystem. Any help would be greatly
> > > appreciated.
> >
> > Amazing. Two responses to your question, both wrong.
> >
> > The key here is that you're using RH 5.0, which contains the 2.0.32
> > kernel, which does not support FAT32. You'll have to update to at least
> > 2.0.33 (or 34?) to get FAT32 support.
> >
> > There might be a packaged kernel upgrade at RedHat's errata site. Once
> > you -do- have a more recent kernel, you mount it using the "vfat" mount
> > type option. You can either mount it like this:
> >
> > mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/whereever
> >
> > or add this line to your /etc/fstab:
> >
> > /dev/hda1 /mnt/whereever vfat defaults,noexec, 0 0
> >
> > --
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Ian R. Hay <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Toronto, Canada <http://www3.sympatico.ca/ian.hay/>
> > *** Update -- visit my swanky, re-designed webpage ***
> > Linuxing about since June 21, 1998 <Redhat 5.1 - 2.0.35>
> > --------------------------------------------------------
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 Jan 1999 18:30:58 GMT
On 8 Jan 1999 15:50:32 -0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On 3 Jan 1999 02:22:12 GMT, Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Is Linux a 64-bit operating system like Solaris 7 and HP-UX 11.0?
>
>Solaris 7 isn't fully 64 bit, only in areas like memory access and such.
you're thinking of solaris 2.6
Solaris 7 has 64-bit libs now.
http://www.sun.com/solaris/whatsnew.html
claism solaris 7 is "a complete 64-bit operating environment"
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From: "OmniČ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:58:09 +1100
hoo Fu### ray !!!!!
thank you
I now have access to my cdrom and floppy
thank you :)
Gunnar Beushausen wrote in message
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>"OmniČ" wrote:
>> thanks anyway
>> I tried it but it said permission denied
>> it even says it when i go to dev/hda
>> or cd /dev/hda
>
>mount /dev/hdb /mnt
>cd /mnt
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: StarOffice 50 key?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 Jan 1999 18:42:37 GMT
On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 23:33:39 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I have a small problem.
>
>A friend of my downloaded StarOffice about 6 weeks ago. When I got it
>this week, I tried to install it, while running the setup it asks for a
>registration key. My friend forgot to write that down. So I thought to
>be smart and faked a new download so you get a registration key. But
>this registration key doesn't work. Probably due to a small update or a
>date/time check.
>
nope. It's a really stupid install "feature". you have to press return in
the little miniwindowyou type the keyin. THEN click on "okay" or whatever
to install the thing.
no redownload should be neccessary.
But also make sure you're logged in as the user you registered.
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From: "OmniČ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:00:04 +1100
brian moore wrote in message ...
>Those are the raw devices.
>
>Perhaps you want to mount them?
>
>> I mean what kind of OS dosent allow the owner access to his/her hd??
>
>Linux allows you to access them just fine.
>
>> please tell me
>> I feel locked out of my own system
>> lol
thanks
it worked
>mount /dev/cdrom /mnt
>
>Magic.
>
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