Linux-Misc Digest #613, Volume #18 Thu, 14 Jan 99 11:13:35 EST
Contents:
Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux (Sir Hoagy of the Marshlands)
Re: CDE telnet to linux login problem (L J Bayuk)
lilo problem (Chris)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Rebecca Ore)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Andres Soolo)
fvwm2 aspect (alex)
Re: WP 8.0 Converting Word 97 files (Rod Smith)
Linux Article - Please help (Ren)
Re: Linux version? (s9770774)
Re: Resolution, Monitors, more help heeded!!!! (GJJC)
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (David Steuber)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Ian MacArthur)
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (David Steuber)
Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux (Alexander Viro)
upgrade redhat (Andrew Rothstein)
Re: fvwm2 aspect ("David Z. Maze")
Re: HELP - I need recommendation on Screen Saver (David Fox)
Re: glint errors (Kyle Maxwell)
Re: The Run Levels ("David Z. Maze")
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From: Sir Hoagy of the Marshlands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:31:17 -0500
-Did you get the name of the person with whom you spoke?
-What was their position in the company?
-What was their *exact wording* regardint this "probe"?
-Did you ask them to send you detailed records indicating
this "probe"?
-Did you ask them what *specific* "rules" were broken?
I'm not a lawyer, but I certainly know enough to
ask a buttload of questions regarding ANY accusation.
ANY accusation can have legal ramifications if the accusation
is false. Thus, you should have asked as many questions
and *carefully documented each and every single answer
you received*.
When I have talked with people in the past regarding
a sensitive situation, I make it a point to either sit
in front of my computer and type in *word for word* what
is said to me, or I'll grab a pen and paper and write
down *everything* that is said to me. It is of the utmost
importance to get the name, phone number, title of the person,
and the time/date they spoke with you. Then, when dealing
with these people later, you have documentation.
Regarding the rest: if an ISP accused me of
"probing" their equipment, I'd damned sure want to see
records of such. I would *demand* they furnish me with
printed logs, either sent via US mail or email.
If they refuse, then you'd certainly have leverage in
a court. (Again, it helps to document who/what/where/date
and *their refusal to help you in your new investigation*).
If you would rather just blow off steam, drop the
entire issue, chalk it up to dipshits at Earthlink, and
find another ISP. I personally prefer to do the very detailed
approach. As a lawyer friend once told me: if you document
everything, you have a hell of an arsenal. It never helps
to say something like, "Oh, I'm not sure when we spoke or
what it was about, but I know we spoke!!!!"
Huzzah!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk)
Subject: Re: CDE telnet to linux login problem
Date: 14 Jan 1999 02:40:07 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I am trying to telnet to a redhat 4.2 box from a Solaris box running
>CDE. The connection is made, but the login prompt is never displayed. If
>I login from another Linux box it works fine. If I telnet from the
>console (text only screen) of the Solaris box it works fine. I get the
>same problem trying to telnet from an HP X-terminal running CDE to the
>Linux box. Anyone know what it may be?
Highly likely: your TERM env variable (passed via telnet) is set to dtterm
which Linux doesn't grok, and you are running a shell on Linux which
needs to do some terminal magic. To see if so, try export TERM=vt100
before telnet to Linux. If this works, you can try teaching Linux to
understand dtterm (via termcap and/or terminfo, I think you can just
alias it to vt220 or something).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris)
Subject: lilo problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:54:11 GMT
I have just upgraded my system with a 1.5 gig HD ... I cloned my old
RedHat 810meg hard drive to this drive using a popular program called
Ghost. However when I tried to boot off this drive lilo stopped at
"LI". I think it may have something to do with the extra free space
on the drive (I cloned the disks so it kept the smaller partition
intact and left the rest as free space.) Is this why Lilo didn't
work? Is it possible to reinstall Lilo so it can update the boot
sectors or whatever is causing it to stall on boot? Thanks for any
help on this subject...
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rebecca Ore)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Jan 1999 04:52:34 -0800
On 14 Jan 1999 12:31:01 GMT, Thomas Womack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>And, of course, you can right-click on it and configure it from the menu
>that appears; you can get it out of the way almost completely.
>
If you can't get rid of it completely and make it stay away forever and
ever, it's a bug. I've seen people shrieking about it after trying to get
rid of it. Getting rid of it should work.
--
Rebecca Ore
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 14 Jan 1999 13:22:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> interrupts for DOS ints instead. I believe PCDOS 1.0
> even included a mechanism to duplicate CP/M's 'call 5',
> in addition to int 21 for system services, as well
In fact, I have seen int 21 at PSP:0005 under MS-DOS 6.20.
Also, the `int 21' functions resemble so closely the CP/M
`call 5' ones that I could create working assembler programs
for CP/M 2.29 on an ancient Z80-based machine with 64K of RAM [1]
using a MS-DOS (I think it was for 3.0, but not sure)
programming manual ;-)
Don't know about the so-called DOS 7.0 and DOS 7.10 that
hide themselves behind win9[58] but the backwards
compatibility over even so many years is a very strange
thing. Who'd like to comment?
[1] That was an office machine just for secretaries to do
the textprocessing (not a typo - they used WordStar 1) and
type in some tables in late '80s. Of course, no books about
programming - and it was quite lucky an assembler happened
to float around...
Somewhat offtopic for the thread, but I hope this suits for
c.o.l.a - and if it doesn't, just say :) - I was under 10 then.
An interesting fact: I happened to like the BASICF's (an
integrated BASIC editor/spellchecker/interpretator/compiler)
editing mechanism that was quite like that of vi's. The
bob/bill/whoever's vision isn't a very original one.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Below you can see an invisible tagline.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (alex)
Subject: fvwm2 aspect
Date: 14 Jan 1999 13:25:31 GMT
hey,
anyone figured out if it is possible to put a graphical image into
background? not just color or xpm files..
thanks, alex
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: WP 8.0 Converting Word 97 files
Date: 14 Jan 1999 02:50:46 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <kpUm2.2235$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Olson) writes:
> I am having problems converting Word 97 documents into Word Perfect docs.
> It correctly identifies them and then says Filtrix unable to convert document.
> I did a full install. Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
In my experience, a lot of failed MS Word imports can be corrected by
loading the original document back into Word and turning OFF the "quick
save" feature. This feature shortens save times by appending changes to a
document, rather than writing out a fresh file. This increases the size
of the file and the complexity of the file when it's read, and this latter
makes it harder for other programs to import the file.
Note that failures due to this feature are usually COMPLETE failures --
the importing program may crash or refuse to handle the document at all.
I've never encountered a situation where the quick save feature results in
an import that works but that produces corrupted formatting or something
like that.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.users.fast.net/~rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the digit and following word from my address to mail me
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:04:42 +0000
From: Ren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Article - Please help
Hi,
I’m an IT bod who does a bit of freelance journalism on the side. I am
writing an article on Linux for a UK Internet magazine and want to
feature a few businesses or institutions that are using Linux. What I
want to know is what is Linux like in a live environment, how well is it
supported by the new groups of ‘vendors’ ? Also is anyone running heavy
apps on it like Oracle.
TIA –Ren
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:03:34 +0100
From: s9770774 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.games.baldurs-gate
Subject: Re: Linux version?
??
Brian Knotts wrote:
> =
> On Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:27:34 +0200, Bj=F6rn Mahler wrote:
> =
> > Brian Knotts wrote...
> > >Have there been any indications that Bioware would have any interest=
in
> > >releasing an unsupported Linux version, like Origin did with Ultima =
Online?
> > >Heck, I'm sure there are people in the Linux community willing to he=
lp in
> > any
> > >way possible. And I know quite a few AD&D fans running Linux.
> > >
> > >I have been waiting for a game like this for years; it would be a sh=
ame if
> > it
> > >remained Win32 only.
> >
> >
> > Well as a matter of facts Baldur's Gate is designed under DirectX (5)=
=2E.. and
> > thats the problem...
> =
> I don't think that's the problem. UO is also a DirectX 5.0 game, and it=
was
> ported, apparently fairly easily.
> =
> > So I don't think they'll develop a new complete bg only for unix or l=
inux os
> > as e.g. happened with quake (II)...
> =
> AFAIK, Quake/Quake II/DOOM were designed from the start to be portable.=
IOW,
> they were written correctly...
> =
> _______________________________________________________________________=
______
> Brian Knotts http://www.europa.com/~bknotts bknotts@euro=
pa.com
> "Free Beef with the tires you buy"
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From: GJJC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,linux.redhat.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Resolution, Monitors, more help heeded!!!!
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:05:54 +0000
Gary Momarison wrote:
> Or for the many who don't use a ~/.xserverrc, add this:
>
> DefaultColorDepth 24
>
> to the appropriate "screen" section of your XF86Config file. Often
> in /etc/ or /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/ .
Which is the appropriate "screen section", Mono, 16 colour VGA, SVGA or
ACC server
I would assume ACC server for my card: I use an ATI Expert98 (8M Video
ram) with the Mach64 server I think ????
Thanks
Greg Cope
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: 13 Jan 1999 23:02:31 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes:
-> Then why did your post refer to Microsoft in the first person?
->
-> "Finally, we are looking forward with great enthusiasm to putting our
-> witnesses on the stand," for example.
It's a classic case of vicarious living disorder. It is like when an
Eagles fan (a truly depressed person these days) says, "we're going to
the super bowel this year!"
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:45:24 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let's be realistic here. MS didn't create stupid users. They existed
> already. Windows et al made computers so common, everyone seems to have
> one. That's why you see so many clueless users. It's like making cars
> accessable to everyone, you're bound to uncover people who can't drive
> at all. Some people just don't have any sense whatsoever.
MS just suckered the stupid users into buying computers and filling Bill's
pockets with cash with their advertising gimmicks and market cornering
practices. "I'm on Top of the world, looking down on creation." was one of
the ads. Now my question is...was that the Windows users being on top of the
world because their new computers were so cool, or was that Bill's true self
being advertised, now that he rules the market?
In all reality, what keeps MS at the top is fear. Fear of other non-pretty
OSes that might make a person think, when all they want to do is relax and
have a good time.(Basically, that big hamper on all of mankind, and that is
fear of the Unknown). Most Stupid Users are not necesarily stupid people,
they are just people who don't pay enough attention to detail(and therefore,
for example, miss that printed bit of plastic stuck to the front of the VCR
with simple instructions on how to set the clock... -.-; ), and are not
willing to learn something new.
Mike
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ian MacArthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:59:38 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rebecca Ore wrote:
>
> If you can't get rid of it completely and make it stay away forever and
> ever, it's a bug. I've seen people shrieking about it after trying to get
> rid of it. Getting rid of it should work.
>
Well, it went away on my WinNT machine when I told it to. It has stayed
away.
The dancing paper clip is hardly my main gripe with Office97 - there are
plenty
of things that plain don't work without worrying about that.... :-)
___
Ian MacArthur
Opinions expressed here are (probably) my own.
They were when I typed them.
They are not necessarily the company or anyone else's.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: 13 Jan 1999 22:59:41 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary) writes:
-> He just likes to wallow around in all things m$ , check out his ISP -
-> MSN.
I noticed that. My one regret is that I failed to set followups. I
guess it is too late now, but I'll give it a shot.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Subject: Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux
Date: 13 Jan 1999 23:03:29 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
JeffOf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'd like to tell you about an unhappy experience with Earthlink Network that is
>relevant to Linux users.
>My service was cancelled today without warning and with little explanation
>after I installed Red Hat 5.2. I am brand new to Linux and attempted only to
>get my mail program to work.
>Earthlink accused me of trying to "probe" their services and basically talked
>to me as if I were a criminal. Their explanation of my "offense" was highly
>technical and unenlightening to a computer non-professional.
OK. So you admit that you were
(a) were connected to the net (not a local one),
(b) tried to do something affecting said net,
(c) didn't understand what you were doing and what effect it might give,
(d) didn't figure out what is considered OK *prior to* experimenting,
(e) didn't know enough to make sense of explanations on *which* results of
your actions were *NOT* considered OK.
>Of course they didn't reconsider their decision. They said of my explanation,
>"well that's your version."
(f) essentially told that you've used a program from <distribution> and said
program in your hands did what it did.
Let's see. (b) and (c) and (d) => you are ready to experiment without a
second thought about the effects it may cause, even in the situation when
you simply don't know what can happen. Right? That along with (e) means
that even if you will restrain from actions you *know* to cause bad results
it willn't affect your actions for quite a few days/weeks (until you'll gain
such knowledge). OK, that's how everybody learn and it's not bad by itself.
BUT. You felt possible to learn *not* on the local net. It's quite easy to
wreak a havoc on the net experimenting with it. *Without* any evil intents.
Normally users who don't have enough knowledge don't have enough privileges
or tools. You have privileges (root, right?) and have tools (RH is not Windows,
power *is* there). You demonstrated that you don't know how to use them and
are ready to train on your neighbors. ISP is responsible for everything coming
from their net. That's it. If you are ready to use tools just because you
got them - either switch to harmless ones (in all senses) or do it in the
isolated playground. If you don't realize it ISP *must* make sure that
playground will be isolated. Preferably by driving the point to you,
disconnecting you if it fails. There is no way around it.
If one is learning to drive he'ld better do it not on the highway and far
from schools. People around are unlikely to be amused he'll rear-end into
the wall, fail to understand explanations re: why it's bad and just keep
saying 'I just drove this car, I'm only learning'. Somehow I doubt that
their tone will be polite. Comments along the lines 'Stick to the bike, then'
are also pretty probable. It wouldn't mean that they have anything against
cars, BTW.
Net result: don't do things you don't understand if they can affect the rest
of the net. You got enough power to cause a lot of trouble. It means that
you are responsible for results, no matter what. Just as everybody else here.
--
There are no "civil aviation for dummies" books out there and most of
you would probably be scared and spend a lot of your time looking up
if there was one. :-) Jordan Hubbard in c.u.b.f.m
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Rothstein)
Subject: upgrade redhat
Date: 14 Jan 1999 04:03:48 GMT
Is it possible to upgrade a redhat 5.1 installation to the new packages
of redhat 5.2 without using the standard boot disk method? What I'm looking
for is possibly a script to download and install the relevant RPMs.
Thanks for any info,
your pal,
Drew
--
Andrew Rothstein - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Words of Wisdom :
"Whatever you do, just take care of your shoes." --phish
"He who laughs last, thinks slowest." --sign in jersey
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fvwm2 aspect
Date: 14 Jan 1999 10:53:20 -0500
alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
alex> anyone figured out if it is possible to put a graphical image into
alex> background? not just color or xpm files..
Yes, though this is not an FVWM problem at all. Look at e.g. xv's
-root option (xv -root -quit graphicfile.jpg).
--
_____________________________
/ \ "Dad was reading a book called
| David Maze | _Schroedinger's Kittens_. Asexual
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | reproduction? Only one cat is in the box."
| http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/ | -- Abra Mitchell
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From: d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox)
Subject: Re: HELP - I need recommendation on Screen Saver
Date: 14 Jan 1999 07:04:01 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Can you tell me how you did that under Linux? My home machine never blanks
> except when sitting at the login prompt, but my work machine blanks after 5
> minutes of no keyboard/mouse, even if a screen saver is running at the time.
> I can't find a way to change the behavior of either of these boxes.
Depending on which X server you run, it may work to put
Option "power_saver"
in the Screen section of /etc/X11/XF86Config. Some servers don't
support this. Some don't even support the normal X screen blanking.
--
David Fox http://hci.ucsd.edu/dsf xoF divaD
UCSD HCI Lab baL ICH DSCU
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From: Kyle Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: glint errors
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:19:56 -0600
Thanks... That solved it!!
What exactly did I do there? I understand that I was creating links and what
they point to and all, but what did that do for rpm that evidently should
have already been done?
Sean M. Shore wrote:
> I had the same problem myself. Try this:
>
> cd /usr/lib
> ln -s rpm/rpmrc ./rpmrc
> ln -s rpm/rpmpopt ./rpmpopt
>
> Good luck.
>
> Sean
>
> Kyle Maxwell wrote:
> >
> > When trying to install/uninstall packages on a RedHat 5.1 distribution,
> > glint often gives me this error:
> >
> > failed to open //var/lib/rpm/packages.rpm
> >
> > error: cannot open //var/lib/rpm/packages.rpm
> >
> > What does this mean? How can I fix it? I've seen the exact same message
> > when using rpm from the command line, if that helps any. Is there other
> > info needed before this tells anybody anything?
> >
> > --
> > Kyle Maxwell
> > The Beam
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Run Levels
Date: 14 Jan 1999 10:59:44 -0500
izraelita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
i> so what are these run levels in linux? where can i find any info on
i> it?
A runlevel, generically, is a kind of "system state", so I could
change my machine from a single-user maintenance mode to a multi-user
X server to perhaps an Athena workstation. They are defined in
/etc/inittab; see inittab(5) and init(8) for more information. If you
use LILO, you can specify an initial runlevel at the LILO prompt
(e.g. "linux 4"), or you can use the telinit(8) command to change
runlevels. The specific commands run at each runlevel are generally
listed in files in /etc/rc.d (in Slackware and other BSD-based
systems) or in /etc/rcn.d, where n is the runlevel (in Debian and
other SysV-based systems), or in /etc/init.d/rcn.d (in Red Hat, IIRC).
0 Shut down (but use "shutdown -h")
1 Single-user (but use "linux single" or "shutdown" or "telinit s")
2 Default in Debian, commercial Unices
3 In RH/Slackware, normal setup w/o X
4 Same as 3
5 In RH/Slackware, normal setup w/ xdm
6 Reboot (but use "shutdown -r")
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| David Maze | _Schroedinger's Kittens_. Asexual
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | reproduction? Only one cat is in the box."
| http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/ | -- Abra Mitchell
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