Linux-Misc Digest #773, Volume #18 Wed, 27 Jan 99 00:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: newb q - recompiling kernel for ppp (Alan Fried)
Re: Please HELP!!! PPPD is driving me mad!!!! (Mantikor)
Re: Rebbot remote server (Jamie LeTual)
Re: Root RAID for Linux (was IDE RAID controllers for Linux)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) (David E. Fox)
kernel 2.20 problem (ty)
Re: IDE drives are slower under Linux comparing to Win95? (Eric Rupprecht)
Re: linux max RAM is 1GB? (Carlos Wexler)
Re: How to copy buttsniff (Bev)
Re: How Serialized is the Linux Filesystem? (Frank Sweetser)
Modeline Expert Question (Jerry)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Danekj)
Re: Please HELP!!! PPPD is driving me mad!!!! ("Edward M.")
Netscape key bindings (Yes, I know it is a FAQ) (Jeremy Mathers)
Disk image (Paolo Losio)
Re: which distribution package do you recommend? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (David Steuber)
Re: Kernel too big (Solved) ("Wael Sedky")
Re: Please HELP!!! PPPD is driving me mad!!!! (Joe Zeff)
Re: (Symbolic) Links (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Unused libraries (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Where did OPTi931 Mini-HOWTO go? (Guentcho Skordev)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Fried)
Subject: Re: newb q - recompiling kernel for ppp
Date: 27 Jan 1999 03:07:01 GMT
7ate9 Designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I recently installed RedHat 5.2 and could have sworn I configured it
>for PPP but when I try to run pppd it complains that my kernel isn't
>configured with PPP support. I have read all the documentation I can
>find on recompiling the kernel and, being a relative newbie, I still
>have a few questions that I would really appreciate someone answering
>before I go fucking around with my kernel.
I can relate to that. I just recompiled my kernel and also thought that
I configured everything for ppp.
I first configured ppp as a module and then I tried to install as
not a module but nothing worked.
I'm hoping someone can come to our rescue.
Good luck
Alan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mantikor)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please HELP!!! PPPD is driving me mad!!!!
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:35:45 GMT
COM1 and COM3 by default 'share' the same IRQ. I say 'share' meaning
it defaults to that setting, not that they will work together.
COM2 and COM4 also share their interrupt.
Its always best to either:
a) not use these conflicting ports together (ie: set your modem to
COM4)
or
b) Manually change the IRQ for one of the ports.
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:20:42 -0000, "Jeremy Ellman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Todd Schrubb wrote in message <01be4966$c432ada0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>Make that two!
>>
>>I seem to be having the same problem... minicom will dial my modem, but
>>connects at an unbelievably slow rate. The connection times out before I
>>can even get to the login prompts. Additionally I can't get pppd or chap
>>to dial out using the ppp-on script.
>>
>
>[snip]
>
>I've finally (after several weeks fixed this one) thanks to some kind soul.
>It seems that Linux (or at least Red Hat 5.1) uses the same interrupts for
>/dev/cua0 (DOS COM1) typically your mouse,
>and /dev/cua2 (COM3 -- usually the modem).
>
>The way to check this is by using SETSERIAL. This will both report and
>change the irq used. If this is your problem
>you need to find an unused interrupt and use this for the modem.
>
>Jeremy
>
>
>
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From: Jamie LeTual <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rebbot remote server
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:40:10 -0500
Or, when you su to root, use 'su -' (without the quotes.)
This way, you will not only become root, but you will inherit root's
environment, i.e. Environment variables like $PATH, et al.
Peace,
Jamie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am fairly new to linux, and i have a simple question. I telnet to
> my Linux server and SU to root but when I try running "reboot" or
> "shutdpwn" it says command not found. Is there anyway, to fix this ??
>
> GS
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Root RAID for Linux (was IDE RAID controllers for Linux)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:34:14 GMT
Try contacting [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They have fast Ultra ATA raid that beats scsi and fiber channel. It works
with Redhat 5.2 or NT.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox)
Crossposted-To:
up.scomp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: 25 Jan 1999 14:16:14 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Powe wrote:
>Some languages, like German, capitalize nouns in general. Some
>languages have really confusing rules about capitalization, like
>French. "La Française," meaning a French person, but "la langue
English has strange capitalization rules too. If you look at early
English documents, one gets the impression that English used to
capitalize all Nouns, like in German. Then people only got into
the habit of capitalizing Important Nouns like Religions and
Days of the Week and Compass Directions (sometimes: cf. the
sentences "Proceed going east on Main St., and turn left on
First St." vs. "I used to live back East when I was growing
up."), not to mention proper nouns and other Important-Sounding
Things. :)
What This has to do With Linux is Anyone's Guess. :) (In a title,
capitalize nearly every single word except the ones you don't :).
>mp
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From: ty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kernel 2.20 problem
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:39:52 -0600
Hi,
I just compiled kernel 2.20, and got the following error message. Does
anyone know what's the problem and how to correct it?
ld -m elf_i386 -T /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/vmlinux.lds -e stext
arch/i386/kernel/head.o arch/i386/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o
init/version.o \
--start-group \
arch/i386/kernel/kernel.o arch/i386/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o
mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o \
fs/filesystems.a \
net/network.a \
drivers/block/block.a drivers/char/char.a drivers/misc/misc.a
drivers/net/net.a drivers/scsi/scsi.a drivers/cdrom/cdrom.a
drivers/sound/sound.a drivers/pci/pci.a drivers/pnp/pnp.a
drivers/video/video.a \
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib/lib.a /usr/src/linux/lib/lib.a
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/lib/lib.a \
--end-group \
-o vmlinux
drivers/sound/sound.a(sb_ess.o): In function `ess_init':
sb_ess.o(.text+0xde2): undefined reference to `esstype'
sb_ess.o(.text+0xe77): undefined reference to `esstype'
make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Rupprecht)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: IDE drives are slower under Linux comparing to Win95?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 04:04:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:31:24 -0400, Jeffrey Fulmer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chris Hedemark wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:40:39 -0600, "J. S. Jensen"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >The speed difference is probably because WinX actually has drivers optimized
>> >FROM THE MANUFACTURER for the IDE drives.
>>
>> I haven't seen these drivers. Windows 95 and NT use a generic
>> Microsoft driver for all IDE drives. There are no drivers for the
>> drives themselves, actually, but for the controller.
>
>Yeah, you have to be REAL careful when you purchase hardware for linux. Windows
>specific hardware BIOS can really cause a problem for non-Windows users.
>Plug-N-Play being the most notorious culprit of linux hardware related problems.
>
That's odd......I find linux RUNS ide DRIVES AS FAST if not faster
than the mentioned MS product....I use NT a lot and it seems better
than 95 in general using FAT16.....I run multiple smaller partitions
to keep cluster sizes down....The FS you use IS THE MAJOR factor
in determining drive access speeds....Study the numerous writeups
in books about Linux native ext2...NT's NTFS, FAT16 , W9x's FAT32's
and OS2's HPFS....to name a few..Each file system has its pro's and
cons depending on the drive size, partition setup, # of drives, and
r/w accessing. LINUX handles most hardware much better than W95
and does just as good as NT with drives, videos, and NIC's...Cheers
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carlos Wexler)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: linux max RAM is 1GB?
Date: 27 Jan 1999 03:31:07 GMT
In article <78lt32$k99$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stephen Costaras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I haven't really looked into this (I'm only at 768MB on the systems I have
>here). But as I understand the problem it is to do with the 32bit processors
>in the intel line. They can only address 4GB of memory max, that being 4GB
>of RAM, or a combination of swap & RAM that equals 4GB.
>
>Assuming the above is correct (Any kernel people here want to comment on this?)
>You might be able to get the memory you want when running Linux on an Alpha
>or Ultra Sparc processor.
>
For some reason that I don't remember I believe that the 32 bits, although
theoretically capable of addressing 4GB, can only really address 2GB. But
shouldn't this be actually 2G"words" (32 or 64 bits wide?)
Carlos
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to copy buttsniff
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:13:27 -0800
Reply-To: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Eric Goforth wrote:
>
> I'm trying to copy a file that I've downloaded from my home directory to
> a floppy, so that I can install it on my Windows machine.
mcopy BUTTSniff-0.9.3.zip a:
The filename will be truncated in the usual winshit fashion.
--
Cheers,
Bev
*******************************************
My computer doesn't have to be friendly;
civil is entirely sufficient.
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Serialized is the Linux Filesystem?
Date: 25 Jan 1999 17:27:57 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Ich hope, that someone can answer these
> questions of a linux newbe!
>
> Q: If the same user runs several independent
> processes that write and read files on a
> harddisk: what errors may occur in the
> worst case?
>
> Q: If only one process writes, the other
> processes read files, ist the situation
> different?
>
> Q: Are there any simple locking mechanisms
> which can make such unsynchrized
> processes save?
if they are all writing to different files, then there's no danger. if
they're attempting to read/write the same file, then they must use some
aggreed upon method of locking the file to ensure that they don't stomp on
each other's work.
--
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paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.0pre5ac1 i586 | at public servers
LILO, you've got me on my knees!
(from David Black, [EMAIL PROTECTED], with apologies to Derek and the
Dominos, and Werner Almsberger)
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From: Jerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Modeline Expert Question
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:20:42 -0700
Hi,
I have a sis530 chipset witch has a sis6306 vga adapter builtin. This
vga adapter can support dac speed of 230mhz and resolution up to
1600x1200. I have been able to come up with a correct set of options to
make make it work like the sis6326. The only problem is the resolution
is only 1600x1024. If I go to 1600x1200 the bottom 200 lines are
wrapped. Meaning the top part of the screen appears again at the bottom.
At 1600x1024 the aspect ratio is a little out 6 to 1 instead of 4 to 3.
The monitor is a 21'' viewSonic and can run at 1800x1440. I have looked
at the source code and made some tweaks but I can not get the extra 200
lines at the bottom of the screen. I had tried xvidtune but going from
1024 to 1200 is out of it range and besides it does not allow changing
of the resolution. The registers for the 6306 and 6326 are similiar.
Another piece of information is that linear addressing does not work and
this looks like an issue dealing the where the base address starts. The
vga adapter uses the main memory for its video memory. Currently it is
getting 8MEGS and the video memory is pc100 sdram 8ns. I would like to
summit my changes to XFree86 but until I resolve this issue it would be
a waste of their time.
Thanks in adavance for any assistance.
--- jerry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danekj)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 27 Jan 1999 00:45:55 GMT
I also put linux on my brand new Toshiba laptop computer almost immediately
after I bought it. I ran Windows 98 just long enough to make sure that the
hardware was ok, then partitioned for linux and Windows. I almost never boot
into Windows.
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From: "Edward M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please HELP!!! PPPD is driving me mad!!!!
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:14:11 -0700
>
>I will mail you my short paper on setting up ppp
Could you send me a copy as well please? Would really appreciate it.
Thnx.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Netscape key bindings (Yes, I know it is a FAQ)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:55:07 GMT
How to make backspace work right (in Netscape under X) ?
I know there was a URL posted some time ago by somebody who had set it
all up correctly, but I have lost it.
Note also that the problem isn't Netscape per se - I use xmodmap to
set backspace so that it works correctly in xterms:
xmodmap -e "keycode 22=0xFFFF" -e "keycode 107=0xFF08"
However, I am typing this in a gvim (GUI mode of VIM) window and
backspace and delete are reversed (I.e., I have to hit Delete to
delete characters). And Netscape gives the same behavior...
(I.e., the problem seems to be the keyboard handling of all native
[non-xterm] X apps)
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:24:16 +0100
From: Paolo Losio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Disk image
Hello!
I should install Linux & NT on 2 identical machines, can I do a complete
install on one machine, connect the second SCSI HD and create an "image"
of the first hd to the second ?
Something like dd -if=/dev/sda -of=/dev/sdb may work ?
(18 Gb SCSI HD)
Thank you for your help, Paolo.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: which distribution package do you recommend?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:26:38 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:03:02 -0600...
..and Todd Ostermeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Tony Eamick wrote:
>
> : You might try Suse 3.2 . It comes out of Germany and would definately have a
> : German language version . It is also a fine pkg with drivers for up to date
> : video
> : cards.
>
> Or perhaps SuSE 5.3? (3.2? I thought the first SuSE was 4.2).
> Everything else still holds, however. German based distro, uses rpms for
> package management (uses yast as the tool to do so, or you can use the
> standard rpm cli), etc. SuSE 6.0 should be out Real Soon Now (I've not
> heard anything lately, but my guess is that as soon as 2.2.0 is stable,
> SuSE 6.0 will be released, using the 2.2 kernel).
SuSE 6.0 is already out. It still ships with 2.0.36, but it is 2.2.0 ready.
mawa
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 24 Jan 1999 15:18:31 -0500
"Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> I don't see where criminal or insame fits in.
-> Maybe finding and fixing a bug isn't obvious, but it is obvious if a fix
-> works. The prove is in the pudding.
-> Your comment seems criminally insane.
You are missing the point.
Netnerd is essentially making the following claim: The only
legitimate operating system for a PC is Microsoft Windows (any
flavor). Attempting to run Linux or any other operating system that
does not come from Microsoft is a criminal offense.
People have no right to use computers as they wish. That is why
hardware components are now proprietary and only have Windows
drivers. Attempting to bypass the Microsoft enforced limitations is
the Catholic equivalent of wearing a condom.
Netnerd is one of those people who promotes Microsoft because he has
been staring at a Windows screen saver for too long. His weak mind
was influenced by the subliminal suggestion code that is in all
Microsoft screen savers to make people worship the profit Bill Gates
and all that is emitted from his anus.
To Netnerd, it is incomprehensible that someone should question the
need to run Microsoft software on a computer. He honestly and
passionately believes that to do otherwise is contrary to the laws of
nature and an abomination before god and his profit, Bill Gates.
His posting to all these newsgroups that are traditionally either
anti-Microsoft or pro-choice in computing (which amounts to the same
thing) was not meant as a troll. He genuinely wants us all to return
to the Microsoft fold so that we don't end up in the great bit bucket
when the W2K comes.
So, just take his flower and leaflet and deposit them into the trash
receptacle on your way out of the airport.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
When will Altoids be available in 'extra strength'?
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From: "Wael Sedky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]*>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Kernel too big (Solved)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:46:30 -0800
By the way the new kernel is surprisingly 450k. I don't understand why? I
did the same steps with the addition of deleteing the old kernel and "make
zlilo"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Zeff)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please HELP!!! PPPD is driving me mad!!!!
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 02:44:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Jeremy Ellman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've finally (after several weeks fixed this one) thanks to some kind soul.
>It seems that Linux (or at least Red Hat 5.1) uses the same interrupts for
>/dev/cua0 (DOS COM1) typically your mouse,
>and /dev/cua2 (COM3 -- usually the modem).
That's because these are the default irqs for the PC archetechture.
The proper place for a modem is Com 2, /dev/cua1; this puts it on irq
3.
---
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
"Oh no, not another learning experience..."
http://www.lasfs.org
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Subject: Re: (Symbolic) Links
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 26 Jan 1999 23:31:25 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >common operations create more directory hardlinks. consider mkdir, it
> >makes lots of hardlinks.
> In some sense. RTFSource.
mkdir does create hardlinks in every sense that matters to the user.
sophia(/tmp)# mkdir foo
sophia(/tmp)# l -ai
total 8
8225 drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 3072 Jan 26 23:25 .
2 drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 1024 Jan 21 17:30 ..
8226 -r--r--r-- 1 root jk 11 Jan 26 17:46 .X0-lock
510019 drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Jan 26 17:46 .X11-unix
10282 drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Jan 26 17:46 .font-unix
503788 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Jan 26 23:24 foo
sophia(/tmp)# cd foo
sophia(/tmp/foo)# l -ai
total 4
503788 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Jan 26 23:24 .
8225 drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 3072 Jan 26 23:25 ..
^^^^^^ ^^
inode number link count
look, inode 503788 gets used twice - once for `/tmp/foo' and once for
`/tmp/foo/.' this is important as chasing inode numbers is the only
way for a user program to figure out the path going from working
directory to root.
> >ln has some safety mechanisms since directory hardlinks can be bad
> link(2), not ln(1).
> >news if not done right. you can create filesystem loops and spin off
> >unreachable file system enclaves.
>
> >from the ln man page options section i see this
> >
> > -d, -F, --directory
> > Allow the super-user to make hard links to directo-
> > ries.
> >
> >ln tries to save you from yourself, but is happy to comply if you insist.
> Yes, but kernel will not comply. ln -d will try to call link(2)
> with appropriate arguments but kernel will refuse (-EISDIR). Read the
> fscking source. Or simply try to call ln -d /dev /foo and look at the
> results.
nice to know RTFM sometimes breaks down. you're right. time to get a
new kernel... ;-)
> --
> "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
> "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
it's
Dilbert: "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
UNIX gheezer: "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer."
--
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Unused libraries
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:26:03 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 25 Jan 1999 12:40:58 -0500...
..and Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
>
> > I just realised that there should probably be a program that does even more
> > - what I REALLY need is a program that checks for unused libraries,
> > unstripped binaries, files that are world-writable when they shouldn't be
> > and dangling symbolic links.
>
> well, all the stuff you added here (world writeable, dangling symlinks, and
> unstripped bins) can be done with a fairly simply shell script. as for the
> libraries - that would be a bit tougher.... but doable, now that i think
> about it. a perl script that 1) builds a list of shared libs on the
> system, 2) builds a list of all binaries, 3) builds a list of all libs used
> by said binaries, and 4) compares the results of 1 and 3.
I found binstats - the problem is, on my machine it counts all the binaries
and libraries, it even tells me I've got 52 unused libraries and 9
executables that need libraries that aren't installed, but it doesn't give
me a listing of their names!
mawa
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Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:49:14 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:56:49 -0500...
..and Rick Onanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Jari Aalto+mail.emacs" wrote:
>
> > Erik Naggum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > ... I use two spaces after sentence-ending punctuation.
> >
> > Which is some odd relict that somebody still seems to believe is needed...
> > jari
>
> It isn't so completely unneeded. In many variable-width fonts, the space is
> just too small. The result of an extra-small space isn't too bad on a screen,
> but put a big block of text on paper and my eyes get tired pretty quick - the
> extra space seems to help break things up a little.
Do they use different fonts in the Anglo-Saxon world? In German and AFAIK in
French, the space after the full stop is just as narrow as all the others.
mawa
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Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:52:15 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 23 Jan 1999 00:34:48 -0800...
..and Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Every language has its niceties. And its peculiarities. Anybody
> who's ever read an old German text (from back when they printed in
> script) can only be thankful for modern fonts!
Actually, I think it's a big loss to German culture that we don't use the
Textur and Fraktur families anymore (it's not exactly "script"). It were the
Nazis who killed them, as well as the old German "Sütterlin" longhand.
Luckily, TeX knows how to typeset very pretty and typologically correct
Textur and Fraktur.
mawa
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From: Guentcho Skordev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Where did OPTi931 Mini-HOWTO go?
Date: 26 Jan 1999 21:13:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Jesus M. Salvo Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Never mind, I found it his new web site. Should have checked with
> dejanews first!
Hello,
Could you please share the address with us? I have searched in DejaNews too,
butt maybe with the wrong keywords :-(.
Bye
Guentcho
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