Linux-Misc Digest #373, Volume #19 Mon, 8 Mar 99 20:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (Anthony Ord)
Re: egcs 1.0.2-8 and exceptions - broken in this version? (ElfMff)
Netscape problems under Linux (Al Wang)
Embedded linux + X ? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= HUET)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Stan Barr)
Re: No-Win Modem Situation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RH 5.2 - Maxtor - LILO - MBR - failure to write ("Kirby James")
Re: No-Win Modem Situation ("Rufus V. Smith")
Re: Is this a winmodem? (Mircea)
Glint broken under OpenLinux? (Steve Howie)
Re: Using lynx... How? ("Atsushi Nakagawa")
Re: Question on using 5.2: (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: Startup... (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: strange goings on... (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: A LUG in Vermont (David W. Schuler)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Ian D Romanick)
Great new Linux site (arty)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Jason Clifford)
Re: Adding users and changing passwords (in scripts) ("JACK")
Re: No-Win Modem Situation ("Mike McCormac")
Re: Memory regions and Linux (Mark Tranchant)
New tool I've written... want it? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Wannabe: which distribution? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Uh-oh, I've got kernel panic ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:35:08 GMT
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:52:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony D. Tribelli)
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony D. Tribelli) wrote:
>
>: >Please do so. I don't believe you'll find an undocumented reset
>: >instruction. You will probably find code that sets up BIOS to do a warm
>: >boot and then asks the keyboard controller to reset the CPU. Later methods
>: >used special I/O ports and multiple CPU faults.
>:
>: actually, what this "undocumented" reset is is simply diliberately
>: creating a triple fault. the cpu can catch a double fault and recover
>: but the cpu resets under a triple fault situation. the code placed at
>: the restart point is aware of what happened and gracefully recovers as
>: if just switching back to real mode. just like has been explained.
>
>Agreed, but it's not a simple 'instruction', and messing with the
>Interrupt Descriptor Table is not something a user level program can do.
With IE "a part of the OS" and ActiveX components running amok within
it, the "user level" is problem is academic.
Got the nastiest feeling this is going to turn out like the f00f
problem...
>Tony
Regards
Anthony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ElfMff)
Subject: Re: egcs 1.0.2-8 and exceptions - broken in this version?
Date: 8 Mar 1999 23:00:10 GMT
I am not SURE that there is a specific problem with what you are doing but I
ran into several problems with the egcs compiler. I went to egcs.cygnus.com,
followed the direections and downloaded and installed the more recent version
of egcs (I think it's 1.1 or so) and this solved some major problems.
(unfortunately there are still some compilation errors)
anyway, hope this helps in some way - good luck
Mike
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From: Al Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape problems under Linux
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:04:53 -0500
Hi all,
I'm running Red Hat 5.1 on a PII-233. I'm experiencing two annoying
little quirks with Netscape 4.07, and I'm just wondering if other people
have seen the same thing:
1) Even though I'm running X-windows in 24-bit color, the Netscape
buttons are all in black-and-white. Images appear to be displayed in
their proper color depth, it's just the Netscape interface itself that's
not getting any color.
2) If I start netscape with a local html file as an argument, like
'netscape index.html', it takes a LONG time to start up. We're talking
3-4 minutes. If I start up netscape with no arguments, it comes up very
quickly(although for some reason, it still starts up with a Red Hat
documentation screen, even though my preferences are for it to be set to
a blank page)
Any help on either of these issues? Would upgrading to 4.5 do the
trick?
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= HUET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Embedded linux + X ?
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:50:31 +0100
LEM is a small linux based distrib with X Server < 11Mo
see, help, insult, contribute ->
http://perso.club-internet.fr/sebhuet/lem.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stan Barr)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: 8 Mar 1999 19:24:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX)
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 05:12:29 -0800,
Richard Latimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Thanks to everyone who has jumped in here and expressed themselves
>concerning my diatribe.
>
[big snip]
>
>Generous people wrote a lot of unix/linux software to solve specific
>problems. It was adequate for their purposes. It is no longer adequate for
>the challenges Linux confronts now. More elegant, simpler solutions are
>needed.
>
>
I use other systems (Windows and Mac) which are no longer adequate for my
needs...._better_ solutions were needed - hence Linux! Much as I
appreciate elegance and simplicity (that's why I prefer the Mac to the
complexity of Windows), elegant and simple is not always better, sometimes
the best solutions are extremely complex .......you can't build an elegant
& simple space shuttle :-)
Linux doesn't have challenges - it's an operating system not a person.
Whether people use it or Windows, or whatever, is a matter of _no_ importance
whatsoever. (Except for space vehicle software perhaps!!)
Cheers,
Stan Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No-Win Modem Situation
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:26:34 -0800
Any of the Diamond Supra series modems, *except* the
Supra Max, should be usable under Linux. I am using a
Supra Express 56i and it works just fine once you
configure it with isapnptools and add setserial to
your bootup.
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From: "Kirby James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH 5.2 - Maxtor - LILO - MBR - failure to write
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:50:01 -0000
Hi, I've successfully installed RH 5.2 on a new Maxtor 8.4 GB IDE disk
Everything works fine - except I can't write to the MBR - LILO reports
'invalid boot record' - any ideas? By booting from a flopy the system
is usable - but rather inconvenient.
Kirby
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From: "Rufus V. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No-Win Modem Situation
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:33:40 -0500
Chris in sunny Manitoba wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In my experience, Multitech externals are a pretty good bet. I have a
>56K, and it went in without a hitch. (Now if I could just get tcp
>installed...)
>
>Hugh Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> insinuated:
>
>>I'm having a hard time trying to find a good internal modem (at a good
>>price) that will work with RedHat. Today I bought a Viking v.90, which
>>said nothing on the box about being a WinModem or requiring Windows or
>>anything of the sort. The techie behind the service counter said it
>>would work with Linux. So I brought it home, plugged it in, and it was
>>100% WinModem crap. Now I'm afraid to buy anything else unless I'm
>>really sure it'll work. Does anybody have any specific suggestions
>>(make & model)? What about the Zoom 2919? www.zoomtel is no-tell.
>>Where can I find this info? Thanks.
>
AFAIK, you'll ALWAYS be safe with an EXTERNAL modem. It
can't be a WinModem unless it sits in a card slot.
Rufus
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is this a winmodem?
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:53:37 -0500
www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
MST
Sravanthi Cheruku wrote:
>
> Could anyone please tell me if this works with linux:( real modem). It
> is onsale for $39+S&H.
>
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From: Steve Howie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Glint broken under OpenLinux?
Date: 8 Mar 1999 19:30:09 GMT
Hi,
I just washed my PC of any traces of Microsloth products yesterday and
installed Caldera's OpenLinux 1.3 Base. Everything is working just fine,
except I get a nasty error when I try to launch Glint. It complains that
it can't find 'rhtkinter' from within Glints Python code on line 23
>> From rhtkinter import *
rhtkinter not found
(or words to that effect)
Needless to say, I can find no references to rhtkinter anywhere. I'm not
a Python expert, so please bear wiuth me. Any ideas anyone?
Thanks,
Scotty
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From: "Atsushi Nakagawa" <s355806@student.(no_spam)uq.edu.au>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: Using lynx... How?
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:13:50 +1000
> Atsushi Nakagawa wrote:
> : Hello,
>
> : How do I, using lynx, download a file 'raw' without any post-processing? I
> : want to get lynx to ignore the MIME/type (no sure if the right terminology)
> : and just download the file 'as is' to the destination --without any 'line
> : break adding' and post-processing, and other things it might do.
>
> : Thanks in advance.
>
> Walter Strong wrote:
>
> What kind of file are you trying to download? To avoid problems I
> usually place the cursor over what I want to download and hit "d". This
> gives me no problems with .html, .txt, or binary files.
>
I'm trying to download a .gz file and lynx tries to pass it to gzip for
post-processing. I don't want to post-process because:
A. It's not a proper gzip file, just a file with .gz ending.
B. More importantly, the file is being downloaded to a remote server so
I don't want to decompress there.
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From: David Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question on using 5.2:
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:52:12 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://temp.redhat.com/linux-info/ldp/
http://metalab.unc.edu/linux/LDP/tlk/tlk.html
David Leathers wrote:
>
> Hi
> At the present time I'm using win95 system. I plan to upgrade to win98 next
> week and I would also like to have and use a linux installtion on my system.
>
> My question is how should I go about installing both operating systems? Are
> there instructions to do this? Which version of Linux should I use?
>
> Thanks
> David
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From: David Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Startup...
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:58:44 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/usr/doc/LDP/sag nag etc
/http://metalab/unc.edu/linux/LDP/tlk/tlk.html
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi there, I am new to Linux (migrating from Windows). I need to learn any
> thing and everything about Linux, Linux internals etc. Can Any body suggest
> me some books or websites where I can get more information? I have RedHat
> Linux 5.2.
>
> Thanks
> -Prabhashankar
>
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From: David Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: strange goings on...
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:55:31 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sounds like hardware. Are you getting inode bogus messages?
Eric Mosley wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It all started last friday, ps started to core dump.
>
> Then I come in Monday and it wont boot, all files in /var are gone, and
> /etc/passwd is now /etc/passwd- !?
>
> This does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling...
>
> Any clues?
>
> Eric
>
> PS. RedHat5.1 2.0.34 , fully networked...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David W. Schuler)
Crossposted-To: vt.unix,uvm.linux,uvm.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: A LUG in Vermont
Date: 8 Mar 1999 21:43:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With IBM just around the corner from UVM, I suspect there would certainly be
some interest. Now that IBM is supporting Linux on its systems, there is a
rapidly growing interest in it. A VT LUG in the Burlington area sounds like
it might be successful.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian D Romanick)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: 8 Mar 1999 12:09:36 -0800
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Again this is an address space
>> issue best solved by a 64 bit processor. Even NT breakes up the address
>> space of an i386 in such a way that user adressable memory is
>> limited.
>i was responding to someone who thought that you might need more than
>4 GB of RAM yet no single process needed more than 4 GB (in order to
>avoid `far' pointers). if you need the BIG RAM, it is because you
>have ONE task which requires it. 7 tasks needing 1 GB each would be
>better served running one after another in series on a smaller machine
>or spread over several smaller boxes.
>since intel cannot access more than 4 GB cleanly, it would make a
>whole lot of sense to use a processor with real 64 bit address modes.
This thread sort of confuses me. Everyone is talking as if only insane
crack smokers would would an x86 based machine with big memory. If that's
the case, then why does Sequent sell quad-Xeon machines to be used as Oracle
servers that support upto 64GB?
http://www.sequent.com/products/highend_srv/numa_xeonspec.html
The fact is that supporting big memory IS useful. Even if each process is
limited to 4GB, that's an improvment over the current situation.
Either decide to support it and do it, or decide not to support it and don't
do it. Don't argue about wheather or not it useful. That's just a waste of
everybody's time and bandwidth.
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From: arty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Great new Linux site
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:06:45 -0500
I finished creating my Linux site. It has tons of Links and literarly
hundreds of Linux software links as well as books and some news stuff.
I'm looking for some feedback. The url is http://nj5.injersey.com/~arty3
Check it out and let me know what you think
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:24:56 +0000
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Rufus V. Smith wrote:
> >No, they can't, and they won't. They all serve a particular,
> >well-defined purpose.
>
> Many particular, well-defined purposes that many users will find absolutely
> no use for. I think the "being discarded" was on an individual user basis.
In which case the individual user need not install and use them. Making
them available offers the user a choice from which to have a preference
rather than simply stuffing someone else's choice down the users throat.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: "JACK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adding users and changing passwords (in scripts)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 00:26:29 -0000
oh yeh in the pasword field in the /etc/passwd file what dose the password
show up as ie !!, * etc
JACK wrote in message ...
>
>once you added a user try
># passwd <new-user>
>you will then be prompted with prompt saying "New Unix password" type in
the
>password then retype it at the next prompt and you should be flying.
>jack
>
>
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From: "Mike McCormac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No-Win Modem Situation
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:22:34 -0700
i have the 2925 zoom internal, and it is definitely linux friendly... it
has jumpers on the board to enable plug and play, or disable it and
configure the irq & mem address.
what was weird is that if i disabled plug and play, my win95 partition
couldn't find the modem... so i just turned plug and play on and used
isapnptools so linux could use it.
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Memory regions and Linux
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:23:00 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From experience with uncached RAM, it appears to use the top of memory
immediately.
Look at: http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~keryan/slram/
The slram kernel patch will allow you to reserve your slow memory (above
64MB for TX) for a ramdisk device, which you can then employ as swap.
Not particularly elegant, but it improves system performance in my
experience (16MB cacheable, 28MB total; and after a BIOS and RAM
upgrade, 32MB cacheable, 40MB total). The only time when it works better
without the patch is for huge compiling jobs (like KOffice); I just
alter the kernel command line to declare all my RAM as "fast".
For Win95, there is a utility called XMSDSK, which does much the same
thing. The only problem is that you can't use the ramdisk as swap - I
use mine as my TEMP directory.
Mark.
Paul MacDonald wrote:
>
> Does anyone out there now which memory region Linux loads into first? I
> have conflicting reports. I've read that it loads from the "bottom up"
> (the way Windows NT does) but the RedHat manual talks about loading into
> the highest memory region first (much like 95). I would appreciate it if
> some one could tell me as I am running Linux on a laptop with a TX chip
> set.
>
> Paul MacDonald
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New tool I've written... want it?
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 20:06:49 GMT
Just for fun, I put together a VT102 terminal emulator.
What I developed is an emulator core which doesn't know how to talk to any
kind of display. All it knows how to do is process input and then provide
instructions on properly displaying it. The way it's designed, you just have
to provide a minimum of code to interface it with any environment you want to
put it in. As an example of that, I wrote an interface to X11 which makes it
work like an Xterm. Although it has fewer features than xterm (fixed font
size, etc.), the limitations are in the example. The core itself emulates
VT102 much better than xterm, and it's remarkably faster.
I'll release it soon under GPL or something similar, so in the mean time, it
comes with the warning that it's not well-enough documented. And also the X
example of its use will probably work only under Linux.
If anyone is interested please email me. You can get the tar of the source
from ftp://www.techsource.com/gtermv09.tar
I hope someone finds this useful.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Wannabe: which distribution?
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:01:34 +0000
Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>> Or should I just start out with the Moron's Guide or the Idiot's Guide to
>> Linux?
>
> After using 3 distributions (Caldera, RedHat and TurboLinux) for more than a
> year,
> Turbo Linux is the way to go. Get 3.x version. It is easier to install than
> RedHat, got
> the most comprehensive software (KDE, Window Maker...). Caldera has StarOffice
> but
> it is too commercial (you can't upgrade without paying). The next major
> version will come
> with Kernel 2.2.2 and Glibc 2.1, though I am using RedHat, my TurboLinux is old
> (2.0) so
> the next one I buy is TurboLinux. RedHat seems easy but it has too many rough
> spots
> that you will find day by day. Caldera system is setup differently and hard to
> install non-
> Caldera distributed files. Btw, TurboLinux is the only one that has a desktop
> fully functional,
> well unless you have KDE of course. Slackware is definitely not for beginner
> and even for
> experts, uninstalling packages from Slackware is a pain on the backside.
>
> As for the beginner's book choose the one that you feel comfortable, go buy
> Linux Unleashed.
> The online docs "HOW-TO" are pretty good as well.
>
> Install KDE as your desktop is the fastest way to get things going, all obtain
> StarOffice from
> the net. It is huge but it is better than msoffice. Then read the online
> install and beginner
> guide. You are learning a new system, be patient and you will benefits from
> the most stable
> and fast operating system in the world (I have used more than ten O/S in the
> last 15 years
> and very few of them come even close to Linux).
>
As a note, SuSE 6.0 comes with both Kde (Default WM, though this can be changed
by anyone who can use a menu) & Staroffice 5 Personal Edition. You also get
Gnome & just about every other WM there is - about a dozen, counting the
various varieties of FVWM...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Uh-oh, I've got kernel panic
Date: 8 Mar 1999 17:37:27 GMT
In his obvious haste, [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled thusly:
: Now, I realize that I may have screwed everything on my Linux partition, but I
: would rather recover it, if possible. Any help?
: My questions, then:
: 1. How can I repair the damage I've done/at least boot my old Linux partition?
If you created new partitions, chances are, they have renamed all your old
ones, so hda5 will now be hda7, etc...
If you boot up with your rescue disk, you'll be able to edit your /etc/fstab
file to correct the mount points.
: 2. How do I format the Linux native/Linux swap partitions?
Fdisk should do that.
: 3. How do I get Lilo to recognize the new partitions?
The fstab fix SHOULD fix your other problems.
I think.
: 4. How do I get Linux to mount the new partitions automatically?
fstab.
: 5. Are there any other things that I'm missing?
: Plus, a question that I should have asked first: How do I make a backup of my
: /home directory?
tar -zcvf /home/username
or
tar -cvf /home/username username.tar
gzip -9 username.tar
and then copy the tarball to a safe place.
: Oh, well . . . I figured that the best way to learn was just to try it.
I did a similar thing...
It's an easy mistake to make.
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