Linux-Misc Digest #479, Volume #19 Tue, 16 Mar 99 14:13:16 EST
Contents:
Re: Upgrade RPM in Redhat Linux (Stuart Miles)
Re: pager instead of paperclip for windows maker? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Exporting Windows filesystem for Linux... (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Help on Upgrading to kernel 2.2.3 (Tiger)
Re: Linux LOCKUP!! ("David J. Novak")
Re: WebDB on Linux (XU)
Re: Upgrade RPM in Redhat Linux ("Denbroeder, Ernst (EXCHANGE:BVW:9111)")
Re: More 3c905b ("Nadeem Ahmed")
Re: XFree86 -- getting??? ("Mattias Gustafsson")
Problems? with tar and vfat partitions (Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~)
Re: Bash and setuid (joseph_a_philbrook__iii)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry Lewis)
High Resolution Timer (Mark Robinson)
Re: MCSE preparation exams (Harry Lewis)
Re: Files larger than 2 GB on Intel/Linux (Phil Howard)
Re: debian ftp install? (Peter Granroth)
Linux-supported hardware ("Bas Cancrinus")
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From: Stuart Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrade RPM in Redhat Linux
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:55:18 +0000
Toolman wrote:
>
> upgrade RPM. This is where I'm lost. I can't use the current RPM to
> upgrade to the new one, right?
Wrong
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Views expressed are mine and not those of Alenia Marconi Systems
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: pager instead of paperclip for windows maker?
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:56:42 GMT
In article <7cjeq9$3ku$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There is no pager included with WindowMaker, and according to the FAQ, there
> are no plans to do so. Since WindowMaker is GNOME compliant though, you
can
> use the GNOME pager with it, this is what I'm doing. Of course you hvae to
> have GNOME installed with it.
Would it be posible to have the gnome pager work but *not* have any of the
other gnome "stuff" (*nothing* against gnome <or kde for that matter> but i
am just used to/happy with plain ole' windows maker <well with the pager
exception>)
thank you.
-Gaiko
>
> In article <7cemgt$7qo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi, i just installed windows maker on my linux box and am quite happy with
it
> > with one exception... having started off with fvwm i have grown quite
accustom
> > to having that little 2X2 pager dodad but windows maker has the "paper clip"
> > instead. Is there some way i can have a pager (just the 2x2 box nothing
else)
> > and not have the paper clip? thank you.
> >
> > -Gaiko
> >
> > Gaikokujin Kyofusho
> > Student Extraordinare & UN*X Guru Wannbe
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Exporting Windows filesystem for Linux...
Date: 16 Mar 1999 15:10:03 GMT
On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:35:23 GMT, Skull_One <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On my machine with RH 5.1, I can't get long filenames when I mount the Win95
>hard disk. Is there a way to do so? A direct e-mail would be most convenient.
In case nobody else has e-mailed you or you've otherwise figured it out:
mount -t vfat
:-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tiger)
Subject: Re: Help on Upgrading to kernel 2.2.3
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:38:47 GMT
Ryan Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Hi,
> I have compiled the kernel 2.2.3 with support for loadable modules.
>After I have done that, I installed modutil 2.1.121. Problem is, I still
>cannot load my modules at all. I can manually load the module for some
>of my file systems. But my printer refuses to work. It isn't even
>detected when I probe for one using the printer configuration tool
>provided in RedHat 5.2. The README files weren't very useful because
>the configuration files it tells me to alter does not exist. Perhaps
>there is a typo error somewhere. Help appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>Ryan
Hi Ryan;
Have you done this after you compiled your new 2.2.3 kernel:
Create by hand a new file in /lib/modules/2.2.3/.rhkmvtag
assume that 2.2.3 is where you left the new modules at.
The .rhkmvtag should contain the kernel version, and with
kernel 2.2.3 you must do so by:
cat /proc/version > /lib/modules/2.2.3/.rhkmvtag
At least for 5.2, when linux boots up, the start up script will match
the kernel version with those it can find in the
/lib/modules/*/.rhkmvtag files. When it finds a match, it will redo
the symlink /lib/modules/preferred to that directory. But 2.2.3 seems
having some trouble with that...
If the modules are installed into a different directory than
your existing modules, you may need to do a few more things
Take a look at /etc/rc/rc.sysinit and see how it sets a
symlink from /lib/modules/preferred to the directory associated
with the kernel you've actually booted).
Above info was I collected from other postings.
Good luck and let me know how you finally solve the problem.
Regards
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From: "David J. Novak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux LOCKUP!!
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:56:16 -0600
Thanks for the help. After several hours (and more than a little cursing) I
discovered that when I tried to shut down in an orderly fashion, Linux would
hang while it was trying to shut down Samba services. I Also noticed under
95 that my network card had a (!) next to it in the system folder thing. So
I yanked the network card, and haven't had a problem since!
One of these days, when I get some time, I'm going to run some diagnostics
on the card to see if it was just poorly seated or if it's really beyond
saving.
David
David J. Novak wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm running RedHat 5.2 on an AMD K6-233 (1.4 years old) dual booting
> with win95, and in the last week some strange things have been
> happening, so any help you can offer would be apprecatied. Anyway, when
> I boot into 95, I have no problems except when I shutdown. Normaly if I
> tell 95 to shut down, it ends up rebooting. I can deal with 95 being
> flakey, heck, I expect it. The big problem is when I run Linux, I can
> run (in and out of X) for anywhere between 30 seconds and 30 minutes
> before it locks up. By lock up, I mean, the caps lock key doesn't even
> turn the keyboard LED on! No mouse input, no hard drives seek, no
> keyboard input, the only useful buttons on the computer at that point
> are the reset button and the power switch.
> I've been talking with a friend here, and I'm going to try to
> under-clock the CPU, and maybe lower the core voltage (I have an ABIT
> motherboard that allows that through the bios). I've turn off all BOIS
> power managment settings. The weird thing is, prior to this the
> computer has been running perfectly. Then I moved, and now it's hosed.
> I've torn the case apart and reseated most connectors, reseated the RAM
> and even the CPU!! Prior to this, it's been running so well, I haven't
> recompiled the kernal in MONTHS!
> Any suggestions, please email me! Thanks!
>
> David
>
> --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (XU)
Crossposted-To:
comp.databases.oracle.server,relcom.comp.dbms.oracle,comp.databases.oracle.misc
Subject: Re: WebDB on Linux
Date: 16 Mar 1999 16:11:57 GMT
No...
WebDB CAN use another listener (though it has its own). There is oracle
web application server for linux, and it can be used as webdb's listener.
The reason why you can't install webdb for linux now is that, oracle has
yet to provide a 'for linux' binary package of webdb installation (which
they have done for solaris and NT).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: hi,
: there're only two version of webdb on oracle technet is because they only have
: the listeners for solaris and nt. so in theory, you should be able to install
: webdb on linux if you don't want the listener intalled? right?
: khai
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Nathan Custer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > I didn't think WebDB was out for Linux? I was thinking it was only Win NT and
: > Solaris
: >
: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: >
: > > hi everyone, i'm trying to install WebDB on a Linux (RedHat 5.2 with kernel
: > > 2.2.2) box with Oracle 8.0.5 on it. Has anyone installed WebDB on Linux?
: Is
: > > there a way that I can have a little howto on how to install WebDB on Linux?
: > > please help! khai
: > >
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From: "Denbroeder, Ernst (EXCHANGE:BVW:9111)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrade RPM in Redhat Linux
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:12:59 -0500
This isn't the Bob Tennent I knew back in Uxbridge now is it??? :)
Ernst.
Bob Tennent wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:49:32 -0500, Toolman wrote:
> >How do you go about upgrading from one release of RPM to another? I visited
> >RPM's ftp site and downloaded 2.5.5.tar.gz to my root directory. I then
> >extracted the files into a directory (rpm2.5.5) and I now want to install or
> >upgrade RPM. This is where I'm lost. I can't use the current RPM to
> >upgrade to the new one, right?
> >
> The tar.gz versions are for initially settin up rpm (or for
> recovering from a messed up upgrade, so keep it!) If you have rpm
> installed, you should be able to upgrade to a newer version in the same way
> you'd upgrade any other package. Just download an rpm of rpm.
>
> Bob T.
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From: "Nadeem Ahmed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: More 3c905b
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:17:32 -0500
I dont know about Slackware linux (I am a Newbie from NT world) but I am
using Redhat 5.1 on a 3c905b card with the 3c59x module and it works fine
with no errors. The same machine has WinNT on it (dual boot). No problems on
that to.
Check the following site for info on linux network drivers and 3com cards.
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/vortex.html
Hope this helps.
Nadeem
Jason White wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I read the other posts about the 3c905b problems. I'm dealing with
>Slackware and the same card. I've seen the 3c9x.c (I think that's what
>the name of the piece of source code is), but I don't really know what
>to do with it.
>(If I could get this 905b card to work with the win98 machine, I would
>use its 3c905 --!b-- card in the linux box. It boots without a single
>glitch)
>I tried rebuilding the kernel, but got sprayed with so many errors, I
>wouldn't even know where to start debugging. So, I'm using the
>/sbin/modprobe 3c59x. It just comes back and says that my card doesn't
>have support and I should edit rc.modules (which is where I load the
>module) or re-compile the kernel...Tried both...nothing doin'.
>
>What it boils down to is....If I get the code for the new driver, 1) How
>do I compile it? 2) Is it better to use modules or compile the kernel (I
>only have 16 MB RAM in this box, so I'm currently opting for modules)?
>3)Is there a URL/site with good directions/troubleshooting helps on
>re-compiling the kernel?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jason
>
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From: "Mattias Gustafsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XFree86 -- getting???
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:24:24 +0100
Kinda depends on what distribution u are running. For example redhat is
glibc based, slackware is libc based. Check doc for your box. I think
3.3.3.1 is out use that one instead of 3.3.3.
Gl
///Mattias
Max Wiberg wrote in message ...
>Ftp:ing to Xfree.org to get the latest
>Xfree86 files 3.3.3 for my Intel PII/400 MHz machine
>which part of the directory structure should I get the
>files from?
>
>/3.3.3/binaries/Linux-ix86-libc5
>
>or
>
>/3.3.3/binaries/Linux-ix86-glibc
>
>Max!
>
>--
>My God it's full of stars
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~)
Subject: Problems? with tar and vfat partitions
Date: 16 Mar 1999 17:49:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Folks,
I bought a Tandberg NS20 so I could back up my system.
So far, so good. I tried backing up the vfat partition
where W98 lives and got bunches of errors about shortened
files, padding with 0's. This was on large and small files
and they weren't shortcuts. Is this a tar problem? Tape
problem? Chair/keyboard interface problem?
System: RH5.1 + 2.0.36 kernel + some errata fixes
PII 350MHz, Buslogic 950, IBM 4.3G UW disk, Quantum
4.3G UN disk, Toshiba 32X CDROM, 64M ram, etc.
command: tar -cvf /dev/st0 /mnt/c:
Thanks, Chirs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (joseph_a_philbrook__iii)
Subject: Re: Bash and setuid
Date: 16 Mar 1999 18:23:27 GMT
On 14 Mar 1999 Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> you can't setuid root a bash script. if you must, make
>> a setuid C wrapper program which calls the script.
Please pardon my intrusion into this discussion, but THIS concept interests
me... But if I understand this, then when you setuid a program you cause
this program to run with root permisions even though invoked by regular
user... You said you can't suid a bash script, but can suid a c wrapper that
calls the script. By this I gather that the said user id of that wrapper
would also apply to child processes of the setuid'd wrapper...
So it would seem that if I want to let a user login run the ppp-go and
ppp-off scripts that come with slackware 3.5 distribution, I don't have to
find each and every security measure I would need to defeat to accomplish
that. All I would have to do is give the user access to a setsuid'd wrapper
that calls them, and all the processes called by the scripts will think root
is calling them... This is promising because the said root permisions would
be limited to what these scripts already do if root logs in, calls them, and
exits, except that the wrapper could itself be called from a script couldn't
it???
So I'm wondering, can root setuid a wrapper, and then use normal group
permision settings on the wrapper itself to controll who can run the setuid
wrapper????
thanking you in advance
-^- -^-
<?> <?> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
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From: Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:13 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd have to agree with some, though not all, the things you say. I'd agree
that movings graphics drivers to ring 0 was a case of trying to impress at
the risk of causing major lock-ups and headaches in future. I'd also have to
agree that it's not possible to carry out all maintenence tasks from the
command prompt, and that this is a serious shortcomming. It's also worth
saying that OS/390, OS/400, and most varieties of Unix offer a better server
platform than NT (albeit, at a higher up-front cost, even if at a comparable
long-term cost). However, I'm in favour of using a GUI for day-to-day admin ?
that's where we differ!
Harry
(BTW sorry for changing my identity, but I'm getting sick of Compuserve's
Usenet gateway.)
Raymond Doetjes wrote:
> The problem is, that NT doesn't have multi-user capabilities (Standard
> that is), so you can't start mannaging the system while some-one else is
> manageing on the console.
> Besides before all those graphics are downloaded you are about 10 minutes
> fearther. Andc it isn't true that you can manage the complete system from
> the command prompt. In some cases you need to use those freaking GUI's.
> Besides with NT4 the GUI is running in ring 0 of the kernel, this is why
> the explorer tends to lock-up the server with in-appropriate use.
> M$ should have let the GUI on top of the system so that evrone can choose
> their own gui or work solely on command prompt. This is what is done with
> all "SMART" ssystems Like OS/390, VMS, VM. OS2 and Unix.
> If you can't manage the system solely on prompt level than the OS is badly
> developed. You can't connect a terminal to NT and control the complete
> system from there. You can't just telnet to the NT server and manage the
> system that way. Even with those small telnetd that give you access to the
> dos-prompt it is impossible to change DNS settings IP addresses, create
> users, give rights to files and create share etc etc etc. Though there are
> comming more tools for it.
>
> Raymond
>
> Harry wrote:
>
> > Arthur Corliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > The UI interface *is* having an impact on the system,
> > > primarily in wasted memory, even more so, since much of
> > > *can't* be paged outm
> >
> > The user interface, be it Explorer or whichever UI you choose,
> > isn't loaded when no-on is logged on. Given that just about e
> > every NT administrative tool, inlcuding User Manager, Server ,
> > Manager, WINS Manager, DNS Manager, DHCP Manager, SQL Server's
> > Enterprise Manager, the Registry Editor, and Performance v
> > Monitor, all allow remote adminstration, even via a dial-up '
> > connection, you can easily log on to a machine that isn't being
> > used interactively and check which processes are running. bExplorer w
> > Explorer won't be one. That's the UI. So it won't be using its
> > 4.5 MB of memory.
> >
> > What NT doesn't have is a remote console.i
> >
> > If you want to criticise NT, first learn about it.b
> >
> > Harryu
>
> --
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> Windows is a 32 bit patch to a 16 bit GUI based on a 8 bit operating
> system, written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company which can
> not stand 1 bit of competition.
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From: Mark Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: High Resolution Timer
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:56:06 GMT
I'm trying to run VMware and it says that /dev/rtc does not support the
high resolution timer. How do I enable the high res timer in /dev/rtc?
I'm running 2.2.1-ac6 on RH 5.[12]
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From: Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MCSE preparation exams
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:11:37 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............
Is this what's known as a sweeping statement? MCSEs are just a way of
telling employers what they're getting. Instead of Linux people wingeing
about MCSEs, why don't they set up their own certification programmes?
After all, certification is becoming more and more widespread in this
indstry (and quite rightly too).
Harry
Raymond Doetjes wrote:
> I agree Tim.
>
> MCSE is just a commercial stunt to make money. They do learn alot but it
> is just stupid learning work. They don't learn howto troubleshoot a
> problem nor do the really know the background of processes.
> They know where to click but that is that. The don't know why things
> work the way they do so they probably never go out and ask the right
> questions. I think that is the most important thing in the I.T. This way
> you can always ask for the help from a person whoms field it is. Most of
> the MCSE people I know feel like they are god, but in fact they don't
> know ass much as the say they do. ANd instead of asking a question they
> just go out and fiddle on their own since they are to pride to ask since
> they are MCSE certified. Then again I may have given them the answer
> straight away.
>
> Raymond
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Howard)
Subject: Re: Files larger than 2 GB on Intel/Linux
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:55:12 GMT
On 10 Mar 1999 16:08:53 -0800 Gary Momarison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
| If you're brave, try ftp://mea.tmt.tele.fi/linux/LFS/
|
| http://www.sas.com/standards/large.file/ might interest you too.
Looks like quite an ugly interface to me. They should have mapped
the standard API to a 64-bit ABI directly.
What I'd like to see is a 64-bit Linux made by letting the compiler
emulate 64-bits as it does now for (long long) but do it for (long).
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From: Peter Granroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: debian ftp install?
Date: 16 Mar 1999 17:07:22 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefano Ghirlanda) writes:
> Hi,
> I would like to install debian on a machine with ftp access (and a debian
> mirror very close by). I am used to install redhat via ftp and I find it
> good way. However, it seems from the docs I read that this option is not
> available when installing debian, am I wrong?
> Thanks for your help
> Stefano
>
It's perfectly possible to install Debian via ftp. I did it with Hamm,
and should not be impossible to do with Slink (current stable release)
either.
Basically what you have to do is to download the root, rescue and base
disk images from the debian mirror, and make the floppies (9 in total
IIRC), then install the base system from these floppies. then point
apt/dselect (choose the apt method in dselect, as explained in the
second link below) to the debian ftp mirror and start installing the
packages you want.
(more complete installation instructions for Debian slink can be found
at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install.html and
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner.html)
HTH
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From: "Bas Cancrinus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux-supported hardware
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:11:43 +0100
As a newcomer to Linux I read Linux-related newsgroups and surf
Linux-related sites for a month or two. It strikes me that a lot of this
information consists of hardware support-documents, and lists of hardware
that is or will be supported by the Linux OS.
The problem is that this information is spread all over the net without any
structure. Due to the growing popularity of Linux the amount of hardware
supported by Linux is growing fast. If hardware-support keeps increasing at
the current speed then the relevant information on the net will be very hard
to find or not to find by Linux-users soon.
I think this can be prevented by building an online database which contains
all Linux-supported hardware-devices. If 2 or more Linux-distributors
guarantee support for the devices stored in that database a
hardware-standard can be established.
I think this solution has a lot of positive side-effects:
1. Manufacturers can sell their devices with statements and/or logos on the
box like: 'Linux x.x.x supported';
2. It is clear to customers what devices are supported by what
Linux-distributor.
Of course there is also a negative side effect:
The time between a hardware-solution is developed and the moment it is added
to the database may be long. Especially when each item added to the database
has to be submitted to a complete quality-control procedure.
The past teaches us that the popularity of a PC-OS is determined by it's
hardware support. I realize that the solution above takes a lot of money and
energy to provide, but I also realize that it is the only way to guarantee
the absolute victory of Linux. Distributors: unite your forces!!
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