Linux-Misc Digest #147, Volume #20 Tue, 11 May 99 02:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
(Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Re: XF86Setup and SiS6326 ("Erik Akkermans")
Re: How can use Mathematica? (John Girash)
Re: tv in X ("Jeff Volckaert")
CD-ROM Problem ("Fred Merchant")
LILO Problems ("Kurt & Jen")
FreeBSD NFS server with Solaris and Linux clients (Timothy J. Lee)
Re: XF86Setup and SiS6326 ("Donald E. Stidwell")
Pipes and processes question (nobody)
Re: Linux, Who to buy from? (GC)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) ("FM")
RedHat price... (Ray)
Re: Hidden files - Linux setup (Byron A Jeff)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) ("FM")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) ("FM")
Whats a Path? ("mikerego")
RH6: ESD clipping audio? (Alan)
Re: 191.1.1.5 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast (Jeff Liebermann)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (Leslie Mikesell)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (was: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?)
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:07:06 GMT
In <7h7ou0$p7s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roberto Alsina:
[Snip...]
|> Slackware ships with KDE.
|> TurboLinux shipped with KDE< then shipped without it, then put KDE in an
|> update, and I don't know the current situation.
[Snip...]
I poked around a bit (http://www.turbolinux.com/), and found no mention that
KDE is *immediately* available on their latest distribution CDs...But didn't
take time to rummage their archives for any install packages. YMMV...
FWIW, KDE did come installed by default on an ASL laptop I bought recently.
Roberto, don't shoot me, but I left KDE on root, and installed olwm for mere
users like myself. Too much mainlining old Sparcs, I guess... :)
Regards, Weird (Harold Stevens) ** IMPORTANT EMAIL INFO **
1. As antispam, I have completely disabled my "adam" email account.
2. Please vent inconvenience at Cyberpromo and their Satanic spawn.
3. Please look for (wyrd) at raytheon, dotted with com. NO UCE/UBE.
4. I detest UCE/UBE. I support CAUCE; http://www.cauce.org HR 1748.
Standard Disclaimer: My opinions, and not Raytheon Systems Company.
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From: "Erik Akkermans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XF86Setup and SiS6326
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 02:17:38 +0200
Len Cuff heeft geschreven in bericht
<$ZL1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Does anyone know of a version of XF86Setup which will work with this
>chipset ?
There isn't (I'm not fully 100% sure though). XF86Setup uses the
VGA16-server, because this is supposed to work with all videocards. However,
SiS 6326 is one of the few cards that doesn't. SiS6326 only works with the
SVGA-server (3.3.3.1). Why don't you use Xconfigurator? It's also menubased,
just not graphical.
Regards,
Erik
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can use Mathematica?
Date: 11 May 1999 00:20:40 -0500
Lam Dang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: pobi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:> I want to use Mathematica in redhat linux.
:> How can I get it?
:> Isn't it free?
: No, it is not free. But you may qualify for
: the inexpensive "Mathematica For Students"
: version.
: My son uses "Mathematica 3.0 for Linux" with
: Red Hat 5.2. I believe he paid about $150.00
: for it.
One thing to watch out for: afaict, you don't "buy" the student version so
much as you "rent" it: the registration key needs to be renewed every year,
and Wolfram requires proof of student status each renewal before they'll
provide you with the new key.
And afaik, this sort of licence is in fact illegal when the product is
advertised as being for sale, and not for rent or lease. However, IANAL,
and illegal isn't the same thing as unenforceable.
They will however give you a "break" on the non-student price if you already
"own" (read: are currently renting) the student version come renewal time.
I've often wondered what would happen to the Mathematica install base should
Wolfram go belly up, or even just get bought up and stop issuing renewal keys.
jg
--
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a useless old expression, it means passing time until you die." the West
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-- John Girash -- girash @ cfa.harvard.edu - http://skyron.harvard.edu/ --
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From: "Jeff Volckaert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tv in X
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:36:00 -0400
I have a hauppauge wintv (Wife paid $60 from Best Buy at Xmas). The BT848
chip seems to be the best chip for Linux and Hauppauge seemed to be the most
recommended. I've been very happy with it. Just having some XawTV problems
now after installing RH 6.0.
I would avoid the ATI stuff (see dejanews flames) since until recently they
didn't release specs for people to develop drivers.
Jeff Volckaert
milan andric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> i was thinking it would be really nice to watch tv sometimes on my
> computer, i mean then i wouldn't have to buy a tv. plus i'm upgrading
> my system now, and i should put that AGP port to good use.. no?
> i'm only worried about drivers for linux now, because i'm sure it's
> going to be hard.
>
> so i have some questions:
> should i go with a tv/video card combo or get them separate?
> if you have any experience with this crap, give me some advice!
>
> thanks,
> milan
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: "Fred Merchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CD-ROM Problem
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:23:53 -0400
I partitioned my second 8-Gig hard drive for a 2-Gig DOD partition and a
Linux partition and a Linux Swap partition. Now Windows can't see my
CD-ROM. I just installed Linux after a one-month battle trying to do it (I
was telling Linux about a video card I USED to have :-) ), so I haven't had
time to see if Linux recognizes the CD-ROM drive, although it loaded from
the CD ROM Drive.
If I shell out to DOS or boot DOS, I can see my CD-ROM. It's just when I'm
in Windoze 98 I can't access my CD-ROM. The drive letter assignments aren't
the problem either.
Any other ideas? I don't think it's a Linux problem, I think it's a
Win98/partition problem.
Any help would be appreciated.
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From: "Kurt & Jen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LILO Problems
Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 01:16:47 -0500
Hello all, I am a newbie to Linux so please be nice.
OK The problem I am having is with booting to win98. When Lilo comes up and
I want to boot to windows I type in dos and then hit enter. Then Lilo
proceeds to
boot me to dos in the windows dir. It doesn't load the GUI interface. How
can I get to the windows desktop
Please Help someone!!!
T I A <KURT>
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.solaris
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: FreeBSD NFS server with Solaris and Linux clients
Reply-To: see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:37:01 GMT
A FreeBSD 3.1-19990416-STABLE computer is an NFS server. It has
some Solaris 2.5.1 (kernel patch 103640-26) and Linux (kernel 2.0.36)
clients (less than 10 total).
Solaris client NFS access seems to be fine, except when someone
tries to edit or copy a huge file. It works, with lots of "NFS file
server not responding" and "NFS file server ok" messages in between.
Linux client NFS access seems to be rather slow.
Anything that I should be aware of (tuning, kernel updates, etc.)?
--
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Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. netcom.com
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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From: "Donald E. Stidwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XF86Setup and SiS6326
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:39:50 -0400
I couldn't get XConfigurator to work either. The best solution is to use
xf86config - the text mode tool. Works fine. Also, once your server is
setup, you'll probably need to edit the XF86config file and turn off
acceleration - cause all kinds of weirdness on my card.
Don
Len Cuff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:$ZL1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Does anyone know of a version of XF86Setup which will work with this
> chipset ?
> Cheers,
> Len
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (nobody)
Subject: Pipes and processes question
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:47:05 GMT
If you run three or more processes in a pipe within a script, and then
check the contents of the variable $?, which process is reported?
Thanks,
nobody
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GC)
Subject: Re: Linux, Who to buy from?
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:34:30 GMT
On Fri, 7 May 1999 10:43:11 +0100, "brian l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>RedHat seems to be the current favourite - this company's had a lot of money
<snip>
>If you want to stick the the spirit of commercial independence, get Debian,
>Suse or Cladera etc.
I went to the Suse site www.Suse.com in April to order S.u.S.E. 6.1
This was supposed to be shipped May 3rd 1999. It's already May 10th,
haven't heard a peep from them, and after a couple of emails to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], I haven't even received
a reply. Since I've ordered it on-line (big mistake), I've got to
contact my credit card company to put the matter into dispute! So I'll
prolly try to order it locally.
to reply remove the nospam from my address
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From: "FM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:57:14 -0700
Mike Coffin wrote:
>That's pure speculation. "The government did X. Therefore, if the
>government hadn't done X, it wouldn't have been done." It's quite
>possible that private initiatives might have done it better.
It's more like, there was problem X, untouched for many years,
finally resolved by government initiation. The suggestion that
private initiatives would have contributed better in terms of
universal education is rather laughable.
>Which countries have little or no governmental interference? Most of
>the countries where people lead short, unhappy lives are
>dictatorships.
Anarchy naturally begs for dictatorship. That's what history
lessons are for. Why do you think the French Revolution and
the Russian Revolution both resulted (one temporarily and on
more or less permanently) in totalitarian regimes? Even Hitler's
rise to power can be attributed to political and economic
anarchy in Germany.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Subject: RedHat price...
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 04:45:58 GMT
I just checked out the price on the newest version of RedHat (6.0),
and I see that the basic boxed set is going to sell for between
$75-$80, to which I say, "ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR EVER-LOVING MINDS?!"
Is there really that much new in 6.0 to justify such an extreme price
hike? I got 5.2 for $20, for the basic boxed set. That was a good
sale price, but even the off-sale price ($40) was about half of what
6.0 is going for. What are the thoughts on this? Is RedHat shooting
themselves in the foot here? As much as I like Linux, it's still not
*fully* ready for prime-time (by that I mean the *average* home
computer user).. no USB support, last I checked, for example. The
average consumer is going to be real pissed off if they spend $80 for
Linux and they encounter problems with it.. and that can't be a good
thing for Linux in general. OK, they readily pay $80+ and have
problems with Windoze, but still... And, yes, I know we can get
RedHat for "free" over the Net, but your average user might not want
to do that, or not know how to go about doing it. I just can't help
think that this is a Bad Thing, since RedHat is the distribution of
Linux most often seen in retail outlets. Or, am I way off base here?
Personally, this has dead-set me against getting RedHat 6.0 as my next
Linux. It'll be Caldera or SuSE for me! Most likely the latter...
Ray
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Hidden files - Linux setup
Date: 10 May 1999 20:52:15 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
M. Buchenrieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-[Note FollowUp-To: header]
-
-Alessandro Magni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-
-
->Been satisfied with Linux as my new OS, I decided to shrink even more
->the Win98 partition that remains
->on my disk (most for gaming purposes).
->Unfortunately I discovered that, defragmenting it, I cannot gain the
->space I hoped, because some hidden
->file in the tail of the disk has not been moved.
-
-Possibly the swapfile Win98 uses.
-
->Do you know of some program - under Win, Dos - able to display filename
->& position on disk,
->so that I can get rid of it?
-
-Using explorer, you can see all files (even hidden ones) when changing
-the default settings in the Explorer options.
-Of course, you could do it as well from out of Linux, after mounting
-the Win98 partition manually.
Michael you're missing the problem. Alessandro needs a tool that will map
disk position to filename.
I used to use a tool called showfat found in the disk utilities section of
the Simtel Archive found at http://oak.oakland.edu. It's old old software
though and I'm pretty sure it only works with FAT16 partitions.
BAJ
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From: "FM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:17:25 -0700
Mike Coffin wrote:
>> Private companies and individuals have done some bad things too.
>
>True, but hardly on the scale of governments.
That's because what government does is what's done by the
collective will of people and the scale is a lot smaller
for corporations. After all, corporations will kill only
for profits; people will kill for hatred alone. As huge
machineries caught in the cycle of self-preservation,
corporations are no less evil than governments.
Dan.
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From: "FM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:11:05 -0700
Phil Hunt wrote:
>Most of what I read isn't books. It is things like Usenet posts,
>newspapers, online documentation.
That's not to mention signs, labels, etc, comprehension
of which is essential for the safety of others and
ourselves.
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From: "mikerego" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Whats a Path?
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 04:55:18 GMT
I have installed a couple of programs on my RedHat 5.2 ( I am very new to
Linux ) and in the README file it says to put the programs in my path. First
where do I find out where it is, and what exactly do they mean by that and
how do I do that?
Thanks,
Mike Rego
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From: Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH6: ESD clipping audio?
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:31:43 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now that exams are finally over, I can afford to spend some time
addressing an issue that has come up with upgrading to Red hat 6.0. :-)
When I upgraded my RH 5.2 system to RH6 (clean install), esound suddenly
started SEVERELY clipping any audio that gets played through the esd
daemon. It clips like the volume is set *way* too high, but the actual
sound level is fine and I can't find a way to adjust anything. If I set
X11Amp to use the OSS driver, it sounds great. If I set it to use the
esound daemon, it sounds awful. I never had this problem with
RH5.2/Gnome/E.15.5 before the upgrade, so I can't figure out what gives.
I'm using an old SoundBlaster 16 with all the default settings on a
stock RH6/Gnome install. Anybody know what changed between the 5.2 RPMs
and RH6? TIA.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Liebermann)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc
Subject: Re: 191.1.1.5 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 05:32:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 10 May 1999 07:19:22 GMT, "Peter Caffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Largely irrelevant, I'd have thought. Debian 2.0/2.1 hybrid.
>>Version?
>Kernel 2.2.7.
>>IP addresses?
>191.1.1.150 ... Linux Server.
>191.1.1.149 ... My Linux workstation.
>191.1.1.5 ... Suspect SCO workstation.
Product names and version numbers are very important. Different version
have slightly different syslog formats and have some known bugs which might
relevent to the problem. The more *NUMBERS* you supply, the easier it is
to visualize what you're running.
>Openserver 5.04 or 5.05.
Since the 3.2v5.0.4 server is originating the broadcasts, does this server
have all the required updates installed? See:
http://www.sco.com/support/toolbox/patch.html
for the recommended minimum patch list. Specifically, RS504C and OSS469C
corrected a substantial number of bugs. Run:
swconfig
for a list of what's installed. I don't know if it has anything to do with
the problem, but it's signifigant that the 3.2v5.0.5 server does not belch
the same broadcasts. Besides the OS version, is there any major
configuration differences in:
/etc/inetd.conf
/etc/services
files, especially items in inetd.conf
>> Is it running TCP/IP? Is it's name stm0150?
>Now why would Novell Netware report in /var/log/messages format? ;)
Sorry. I wasn't brutal enough. You brought up decomishioning an
unspecified version of Novell Netware for an unspecified reason. I was
wondering why you added this to the puzzle, whether it had anything at all
to do with the broadcast problem, and whether the Novell box has the TCP/IP
NLM's loaded. If it's 3.12, I had a hell of time with these NLM's doing
all manner of digusting things to the network. After about 3 major updates
from Netwire, the problems finally settled down long enough for me to throw
out the box and replace it with an NT box and effectively start over.
>No other SCO systems systems are broadcasting crap. Further, niether Linux
>box contains mention of the SCO system at all (aside from in /etc/hosts).
If all the various machines share the same class C address space and the
netmasks do not specify a sub-net, then every machine will see every other
machine. A broadcast by one will be seen by all.
>> Why should only one Linux machine complain?
>Both Linux systems complain, actually. The one listed was an example.
Are you sure you're not a mystery writer? Obtaining information by
interrogation is a useful technique. Torture is more effective, but
difficult to apply via news and email.
>>>May 6 11:40:16 stm0150 kernel: 191.1.1.5 sent an invalid ICMP error to a
>>>broadcast
>
>> OK. Let's convert the error message from Linux into English. stm0150 sent
>> a broadcast. 191.1.1.5 (the unspecified SCO box) sent a reply via ICMP
>> that the Linux box failed to appreciate. The shopping list of likely
>> culprits are bootp, IPX/SPX SAP (server advertising protocol), DHCP server
>> announcements, and such. I'm really guessing as there's not enough info to
>> make a positive identification. Dive into /usr/adm/syslog ON BOTH MACHINES
>> and see if a protocol name or number is specified.
>
>Good advice. Ta.
Yeah, but not an answer. Lacking numbers and real information, like the
protocol name or services number that's failing, I have to play detective
and try to deduce the problem. The rather odd timing of the errors had me
baffled until you casually disclosed that both Linux boxes were
complaining. That will explain why sometimes it barfed 5 times and
sometimes 10 times. BOTH Linux boxes are broadcasting something and both
are complaining that SCO 3.2v5.0.4 fails to appreciate the broadcasts.
Now, what would a Debian 2.1 box upgraded to 2.2 be doing broadcasting the
same thing on two different machines that uses ICMP. There's not much that
uses ICMP (Internet Control Message Protocol). Unfortunately, I left my RH
5.1 Linux box off when I left the office so I can't check. I know ping,
traceroute, SCO's copy protection daemon, RIP (router info protocol) and
other routing protocols, use ICMP.
Hmmm... Your Debian boxes must have routed running and are belching RIP2
packets, while the 3.2v5.0.4 SCO box only knows RIP1, doesn't know anything
about RIP2 and is complaining about the format. The 3.2v5.0.5 box does
RIP2 so it doesn't complain.
In such an isolated lan, you don't need routed running. Kill the routed
daemons on the SCO boxes (it won't hurt) and see if the messages go away.
If you've got gated running, kill it too. If that works, find the line
that starts routed in /etc/tcp on the SCO boxes and comment it out. Same
on the Linux boxes.
>Sarky again? There's a difference between the .recovery newsgroups and
>the informational newsgroups, IMHO. We're all clueless about some things
>sometimes (see Scott Adams "The Dilbert Zone"), which is why these sorts
>of support newsgroups are bloody useful.
Different? I thought this was alt.tech-support.recovery. Terribly sorry.
Please forgive my rakeing you over the coals and subtle attempts at
humiliation, degredation and mockery for not supplying any numbers or
information.
>I try to keep to at *least* a 4:1 ratio of helping posts for every
>request for help. Turning a support newsgroup into the same one-up-manship
>contest that a.t-s.r (but far more frequently a.s.r) can become, isn't
>something I'd like to see here, IMHO.
I tried being nice, but it didn't work. I've been answering questions in
the SCO newsgroups since they emerged from the old biz.* newsgroups. If
someone asks a question, but doesn't supply enough information (such as the
product name and version), they receive the full benifit of my wrath. If
they do supply the necessary information, they get my best guess answer,
which I assume is somewhat better than my wrath.
Incidentally, I think my ratio of questions to supplying answers is about
500:1. I vaguely recall asking 2 questions in about 10 years. Deja.com
shows about 2200 messages by me since 1993.
>And no, I have no control over the numbering. And yes, I informed the
>individual concerned about the correct ranges last year.
Eventually, you're going to get burned. My very first IP LAN was based on
the assumption that it would never hit the internet. So, I picked a random
IP range. Three years later, I got to help reconfigure about 100 boxes
splattered accross 5 locations. T'was no fun. Fix it now while you're
still sane.
>At this stage, we're UUCP-only apart from our local LAN, so the numbering
>is an irrelevant issue vastly tangental to this posting.
Assumption, the mother of all screwups. I could concoct a likely senario
where it does make a difference, but you answered my question.
Incidentally, I still get most of my email via UUCP. Now, disarm routed
and tell us what happens.
--
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(831)421-6491 pgr (831)426-1240 fax (831)336-2558 home
http://www.cruzio.com/~jeffl WB6SSY
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: 11 May 1999 00:33:04 -0500
In article <7h6p7d$jpa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Vernon Schryver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>This one seemed not to limit the queue runs - at least not until
>>the system was at a point where I didn't have the patience to
>>wait for a prompt (probably hours).
>
>Did whoever configured sendmail to run the queue every 30 seconds
>also turn on the load limiting?--it sounds unlikely that someone foolish
>enough to do the first would be wise enough to do the second.
No. If it is necessary, is there some reason that there isn't a
useful default or a mention of the option in the man page?
Les Mikesell
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