Linux-Misc Digest #688, Volume #20               Fri, 18 Jun 99 16:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux box for computer newbies : suggestions please ! (Marc Mutz)
  Re: HELP ?? Telent Session disconnects (Marc Mutz)
  Re: Secure network-backup via nfs? ("Bobby D. Bryant")
  Re: GNU g77 & LINUX glibc
  Re: Mailer program died - Signal 13 (Villy Kruse)
  Re: Very small font in Netscape (Aaron)
  E Equational Theorem Prover 0.32 "Lingia" released (Stephan Schulz)
  Re: Red-Hat - Linux? (Alex Lam)
  Re: CS4232 on Intellistaion config error? (Matt Willis)
  Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? ("William Edward 
Woody")
  Re: Suse 6.1 and ftp - connection refused ("j. land")
  Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks ("Brian")
  Re: Linux uid limits! (James Hewitt)
  Re: How to start two X servers? (Rod Smith)
  Re: Commercially speaking....? (The Ghost In The Machine)
  Re: Netscape and Massive harddrive swapping (Marc Mutz)
  Unlimited Kernel updates? (Rick Nelson)
  Re: Kernel errors? (Paul Kimoto)
  2.0.36 kernel and es1370 sound (Dave Brown)
  Re: Commercially speaking....? (Stuart Brady)
  Re: How to start two X servers? (Matt Willis)
  Quake 3 (Pieter Blaauw)

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:20:17 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux box for computer newbies : suggestions please !

Alain Southiere wrote:
> 
>    My parents are now retired and will be traveling a lot.
> They will need an inexpensive way to keep in touch and
> do basic computing tasks. My mother is a little familiar
> with Netscape, but that's about it.
> 
>    So, I'm thinking about getting a laptop that's a couple
> of years old (I could have a good price on a P133 Thinkpad,
> 20MB RAM and 1.3 GB HD, which should be sufficient, IMHO).
> 
>    I'm leaning toward KDE for the desktop, since It
> seems to be most most friendly for beginners. For
> WWW, news and e-mail, I'm pretty sure I'll install
> Navigator. My mother is already familiar with it (for
> WWW, at least). Any other graphical WWW, Usenet and
> mail client I should consider ?
> 
>    They'll possibly need some application suite, for
> this, I was thinking about StarOffice. But what about
> KOffice ? Is it far enough and easy enough to be used
> by beginners ?
> 
With 20M of RAM forget the following:
1.) running KDE w/o 30M of permantently used swap
2.) running netscape 4.xx versions more than a few minutes (ns 4.xx
usually grow 
    to more than 40M on my machine)
3.) running StarOffice w/o coffee-break after clicking *any* menu entry.
4.) Installing one of the monster ditro's SuSE and RedHat out of the box
(they   
    use too much disk space and - in case of SuSE at least - far too
much 
    processor time. Debian is way faster than SuSE.
These are my experiences. I'll show you something about my currently
running system:
> free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers    
cached
Mem:         31216      30508        708      13408        376      
9980
-/+ buffers:            20152      11064
Swap:        66492       7448      59044

> ps -aux | grep -E netscape\|X
mmutz      183  0.0  0.4  2100   148  p0 S   Jun 17   0:03
/usr/lib/X11/fvwm2/Fv
mmutz      187  0.0  0.6  2092   192  p0 S   Jun 17   0:12
/usr/lib/X11/fvwm2/Fv
mmutz    12005  8.5 44.2 18272 13820  p1 S    18:22   4:40
/opt/netscape-4.08/ne
root       142  4.5 15.6  7192  4876  ?  S   Jun 17 109:11
/usr/X11R6/bin/X 

                           ^ this is used RAM, so
X+Fvwm+netsape totals to  29656K of used RAM, all those daemons not
included and:
I'm currently reading news - and only do that!

Marc

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:35:28 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP ?? Telent Session disconnects

Mahmood Ezad Butt wrote:
> 
> I am getting connected to a Red Hat Linux 6.0 box thru a telent session in
> winodws NT. After around 20-30 min of inactivity with the telnet session,
> Linux automatically closes the session. Is there a parameter to change this
> time or disable this feature.
> 
> Normally there is a TMOUT that can be set in profile but I don't see it in
> the profile (not in the /etc/profile too). I am using /bin/ksh as my default
> shell.
> 
TMOUT has nothing to do with telnet. It's a shell variable that tells
the shell to wait TMOUT seconds for input before exiting (if that is
enabled). Maybe running a periodic command that produces output helps
you. tcsh can do such.

Marc

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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Secure network-backup via nfs?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:27:41 -0500

Frank Sweetser wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> ...
> > Also I would prefer to initiate the backup from the dat-machine. Would
> > that be possible using something like:
> >
> > ssh remote-host tar /filesystem-name | dd bs=10240 of=/dev/st0
>
> yup.

A couple of questions:

1) What is /dev/st0 ?  Is it a port back to the machine you issued the command
from?

2) Suppose you want to use cron to do this every night.  Since cron presumably
isn't privy to your ssh-agent login (if you happen to be logged in at all), how
do you manage the passphrase in a cron job?

Thanks,

Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas



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Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
Subject: Re: GNU g77 & LINUX glibc
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:43:12 GMT

Helmut Kindl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


> > I have a problem with the "trapfpe", that is a small c-routine which
> > handels the Floating-point Exception.
> > The routine run quite well up to the point I upgarded my RedHat-LINUX
> > and my glibc from 2.0.7-29 to
> > 2.1.1-6!
> > Has anybody an idea who to solve the problem.

> Thank you for all the discussion, but could you be a little bit more
> concret?
> I'm still searching a solution for the described problem!

Read /usr/include/fpu_control.h . I believe the header for recent
versions of glibc defines a couple of useful macros there.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: Mailer program died - Signal 13
Date: 18 Jun 1999 19:55:22 +0200

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeff Makinen  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>    .....cut...
>
>----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>"|/usr/local/etc/listinfo/sendback /usr/local/etc/listinfo/sendback.doc"
>
>    (expanded from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>451 mailer prog died with signal 13
>Arguments: sh -c /usr/local/etc/listinfo/sendback
>/usr/local/etc/listinfo/sendback.doc
>"|/usr/local/etc/listinfo/sendback
>/usr/local/etc/listinfo/sendback.doc"... Deferred
>Message could not be delivered for 5 days
>Message will be deleted from queue
>****************************************************************************


Signal 13 SIGPIPE.

Could be that the program doesn't read all its input till end of file.
thus would cause sendmail to receive a SIGPIPE signal with the
consequences as shown.

If the program just reads part of the message, finds out it doesn't need
more input, and terminates, a SIGPIPE will be the likely result.  The
program needs to keep reading and discarding data until it sees EOF.


Villy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron)
Subject: Re: Very small font in Netscape
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:33:48 GMT

I have noticed that also on some web pages, in particular
www.soundblaster.com.  That particular page was using the Arial font,
which is not listed as an available font on my system.  I guessing
that if I install Arial it will look better.  I just don't know where
to get it.


On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 15:09:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I have KDE 1.1 and I use Netscape for web browser. Unfortunately, it
>shows all web pages in very small font. the Increase Font option in the
>View menu is not available. I have the same problem with KFM. What can I
>do?
>
>Besides, does anyone know how can I make KFM accept cookies? I go to
>Options menu, and I choose Configure Browser, Cookies, Default Accept
>policy - ASk. KFM, however does not ask, but rejects cookies. What is
>the problem?
>
>I would appreciate your help.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephan Schulz)
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,alt.sources.d
Subject: E Equational Theorem Prover 0.32 "Lingia" released
Date: 15 Jun 1999 17:27:35 GMT

The E equational theorem prover version 0.32 "Lingia" has been
released.

E is a a purely equational theorem prover for clausal logic with
equality. Thus, you can specify a mathematical problem (e.g. a
mathematical puzzle), a (small) piece of program code or some hardware
elements in clausal logic (using rules of the form "If A and B and C
then D or E or F" in a PROLOG-like syntax), and try to have the system
prove certain properties of the described structure. Be warned that
this can consume inane (in fact, theoretically unlimited) amounts of
CPU time and memory for difficult problems.

Version 0.32 improves on the previous version in a variety of ways:

- The inference engine is (once more) much faster.
- Special strategies for Horn problems have been replaced with general
  literal selection functions that are complete for all classes of
  problems. 
- The automatic mode for selecting search heuristics has been
  improved. 
- Various minor bugfixes and changes.

E 0.32 has been tested on all 3334 CNF problems of the TPTP problem
library, version 2.2.0, and showed no unexpected behaviour. Results
are available from the web site.

E is available as a source distribution for UNIX-variants. It installs
cleanly under all UNIX variants I could get my hands on: Various
versions of GNU/Linux for Intel and SPARC, SunOS, Solaris and HPUX.

E is distributed under the GNU General Public License.

You can find the source distribution and additional information at
http://wwwjessen.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~schulz/WORK/eprover.html
Our servers are usually rebooted Monday mornings between 3:30 and 4:00
ME(S)Z, and may be unavailable during this time.


Have fun!


Stephan

========================== It can be done! =================================
   Please email me as [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephan Schulz)
============================================================================


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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red-Hat - Linux?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:38:27 -0700



Tom Alsberg wrote:
> 
>   Hi there... I should tell the only Linux distro I've used was
> Slackware, now considering changing to another distro, my question is -
> why do so many people say Red Hat is /not/ really Linux? is it the
> ease-of-use? does it use different libraries? a shell of his own? a
> incompatible networking kernel or X server kit? I want Linux, real
> Linux, really real Linux, is Red Hat for me? if not, what would be for
> me? what are all the differences between all the distros anyway?
> 
>   Information wouldn't hurt ;-),
> 
>   Tom Alsberg

I think all the noise about Redhat distribution is because it's an
American company going IPO, and big boys like IBM, HP and so on are
investing in it.
But to me , RH sux, It never even allow me to do a successful
installation since 
ELF first came out. While I can install without even the slightest
problem with SuSE, Slackware or FreeBSD.

They all have the minor differences in add on utilities, apps, and so
on, The kernel is still all Linux. 

To me, SuSE is the easiest to install and supports more hardware and
detect them better than Redhat. Besides, RH now sells the "official
copy" for $80. and SuSE is just $50.

The only thing that RH have contributed to me was it blew one of my 17"
monitor during set up.

Alex Lam.

*Remove all the upper case Xs if reply by e mail.

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From: Matt Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: CS4232 on Intellistaion config error?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:39:01 +0000

I think you need to allocate the buffer in the first 16mb or something.
I had this happen, too. 

A quick dejanews search:
http://x27.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=474745267&CONTEXT=929727363.357302397&hitnum=2

>To make the sound driver use persistent DMA buffers we need to
>pass the sound.o module a "dmabuf=1" command-line argument.
>This is normally done in /etc/conf.modules (or the more proper
>etc/modules.conf) like so: 
>                   
>options sound          dmabuf=1


Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
> 
>  >> Matthias Braun writes:
> 
>  > Hi,
>  >  I have an IBM intellistation MPRO with an CS4232 onboard.  I can
>  >  play sound for a few minutes, but then I get error messages like
> 
>  > SOUND: CouldnŽt allocate DMS buffer or SOUND: DMA (output) timed
>  > out - IRQ/DRQ config error
> 
> I have the same exact problem with the same soundcard.  I posted here
> recently, but no responses, unfortunately....  If you ever figure out
> the problem, please let me know.
> 
> Reid

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From: "William Edward Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:15:37 -0700

Not to pick nits (but I'm going to anyways), but not all of your four
points are on the money about what an OS is supposed to do.

Lawrence DčOliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Actually, four purposes spring to mind:
> * To abstract away from hardware specifics, allowing the same upper-layer
> code to run on a wide variety of hardware configurations.

Not really. This is a recent innovation, but not necessary for
an operating system.

> * To arbitrate access to shared resources (memory, disk space, network
> bandwidth, comm ports, screen real estate, whatever).

Yes, this is what an OS does.

> * To define common communication mechanisms (data interchange formats for
> text, graphics and the like).

No cigar. This is more of a high level thing, and not an OS thing.
Microsoft would have you believe that this is part of the operating
system--but then, if IBM becomes a threat, Microsoft will have
you think that implementation of common communication mechanisms
(such as Outlook Express) are actually a fundamental part of the
operating system.

But really: is a GIF file definition part of an OS? JPEG definition?
RIFF? TIFF? HTML?

No.

> * To minimize reinvention of code for common application tasks.

No; this is what a library (shared library, static library) is
for.


As someone who has been around this business for a while, it
worries me that simple computer science concepts (such as
"what is an operating system") is being made fuzzy, more often
than not to satisfy the corporate needs of a company like
Microsoft.

I'm not trying to flame you--the definition you provided is
a fairly natural sounding one given the current state of the
art and the current blatherings comming out of Redmond. But
the definition is incorrect. While all of these things may
come out of a box labeled "Macintosh System 8.5" or "Redhat
Linux 5.0" or "Microsoft Windows 98", these boxes are more
than just operating systems. They also contain applications
and utilities and shared libraries which create a constant
<<platform>> for developers to use.


An operating system, by the way, is a piece of low level code
which arbitrates the allocation of hardware resources across
multiple processes. (The CPU is one of those hardware resources,
that's why we think of multitasking and (sometimes) multi-
threading as one of those resources to be shared.)

How that allocation is performed (such as serial queueing of
processes for batch execution in the order the card decks are
inserted into a card reader) is up to the designers of the
operating system. And if that OS conforms to standards (such
as posix) or defines interchange standards (such as GIF89a)
or if the platform contains certain standard libraries (such
as the standard C library) to simplify a programmer's work,
it's a bonus, not a requirement.

- Bill Woody

(Who notes this is only important when you are trying to
split hairs with Microsoft in the antitrust trial. Or
when deciding if what Apple shipped with Dylan is a
complete operating system or not.)





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From: "j. land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Suse 6.1 and ftp - connection refused
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:11:12 -0500

Thanks to all for responses.

Culprit: An rpm had inserted in services.
ftp-data    20  -  above the ftp    21 line.

All connections in and out were using port 20 to attempt connections. Each
time I checked the services file I ignored this because the ftp line was
accurate - not realizing the system was grabbing the first "ftp" starting
string it found.






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From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:14:47 GMT

Hey Mike:

Mike Bartman wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ws.net>...
>On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:47:54 GMT, "Brian"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Well, I was a fresh-caught CS graduate who read Byte every
month (this
>was back when Byte was a computer *magazine*, not a
computer
>*catalogue* :^), along with Creative Computing, Micro Age,
Dr. Dobbs,
>etc.

Most excellent. I still have the first 40 issues of Byte
Magazine! Do you remember KiloBaud?

>and wanted my own computer (something smaller than the
>DECSystem-10 that I'd used at school and at my first job
:^).  I
>wasn't in Washington State, but I was around while it was
all
>happeneing, and I read about it month to month, so I figure
I've got
>better info than some of the kids today who actually think
that Bill
>Gates personally wrote Windows...

>>It's nice to hear from somebody who appears to have his
>>facts straight.

>Thanks.  If you, or anyone else, have any info that is
contrary to
>what I recall, I'd be more than happy to hear them.  I'm
going mostly
>from memory here, and we all know how that goes... ;^)


Sounds pretty true to form. The head space of that day was
that IBM was the Evil Empire and Bill Gates and Microsoft
was the giant killer. He was the giant killer that broke the
Lotus 123 monopoly on powerful spreadsheets, broke the Apple
monopoly on PC GUIs, broke the monopoly of Word Perfect word
processors, broke the dBase monopoly and broke the Adobe
monopoly on quality scalable screen/print fonts.

More on IBM - do you remember their "TopView" vaporware PC
windowing system - they actually backed down when Apple
threatened to go "Postal" if they continued development.
Apple was pretty hostile to anybody that threatened their
monopoly on the desktop GUI operating system.

>If anyone knows of a good use/home for a full Atari-800
computer
>system in working order, with full docs (including an OS
source
>listing! :^) and software, please let me know.  I have no
use for it,
>but I can't bear to toss it in the trash, so it continues
to occupy
>space in my house that I could find other uses for...


Please consider keeping your little workhorse safe - perhaps
buy a nice strong cardboard box and packing it up for long
term storage. I am the proud owner of 2 Processor Technology
SOL computers, a SOL-10 and SOL-20. I also have all the
documentation, a complete listing of the PROM monitor
programs, two basic interpreters, 8080 assembler/emulator,
StarTrek game, Target and Electric Pencil word processor.

>Yeah, that was back when you could actually keep up with
all the new
>developments in the whole industry.  Now it's tough to keep
track of
>what's going on with a single platform!  It was also before
the
>Marketting Takeover and the introduction of their major
weapon: FUD.


I have never wasted time demonizing Bill Gates and
Microsoft. He has done too many good things for this
business. I believe Linux will survive any attack mounted by
MS or any other Super-Organization. It will probably make
Linux stronger. The problem with OS/2 was IBM - not the
technology! The problem with Apple is the Apple Marketing
Department and Apple's frenzied supporters. The problem with
Microsoft? Maybe they have just gotten too big!

Just one guys opinion.

Best regards,

Brian





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From: James Hewitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux uid limits!
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:47:20 -0700

Georg Acher wrote:
> On Alpha-Linux, an int is 32bit and a long is already 64bit, so you don't need
> long long there. Sometime x86-coders think that an int are not real 32bit, and
> decide to use long to get 'real, authentic and good' 32bit. This is #2 in the
> TOP10-list of "How to write programs that crash on Alpha". #1 is the assumption
> "sizeof(int)==sizeof(void*)=4" ;-)

Okay, what is the "correct" way to specify an integer of a specific
size so that code can be cross-platform?  If there isn't an ANSI
standard, is there at least a convention for Linux?

-- 
James Hewitt                              [EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Washington                            Seattle, Washington
May the Source be with you

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: How to start two X servers?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:53:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Posted and mailed]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Hello, let's say another person has logged into tty1 in a linux box and started
> X, now I switch to another virtual console(say tty2) and want to startx also,
> what environment variable should I specify or what display should be used? I
> remember seeing someone posting the solution before but can't seem to find it.

Here's what I use (I've got it in a shell script in /usr/local/bin):

startx -- :1 -bpp 32 vt8

You can eliminate the "-bpp 32" part if you don't want to set it to 32
bits per pixel (which was part of my reason for doing this).

-- 
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.msdos.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:53:00 GMT

On 17 Jun 1999 22:32:54 +0100, John Winters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 9wands  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[snip]
>>The truth of the matter is that Win9x/NT is a GUI layered on top of a
>>highly complex OS, much like Linux and X.
>
>Not quite - there are three different cases here:
>
>Win9x: A GUI layered on top of a primitive OS-alike, the two together
>       making something which closely approximates an OS.

Except when it doesn't. :-)  (BackOrifice comes to mind -- security?
What security??)

>
>NT:    A GUI lashed into what would otherwise be quite a nice
>       full-featured OS.  Unfortunately layering is something which
>       is conspicuously absent, meaning that the GUI significantly
>       detracts from the usefulness of the OS.

Actually, there might be a layering.  It's just not horribly
obvious to non-Microsoft developers.... :-)

>
>X:     A GUI genuinely layered on top of a fully functional OS.

Pedant point: X is not a GUI.  Things such as Motif/Lesstif,
Gtk++, Tcl/Tk, and Java would be GUIs; X is a foundation
for a GUI.

(And, I might add, an excellent foundation it is, at
least within its design parameters; network
transparency and device independence of source
code are valuable assets of programming in X.)

[.sigsnip]

----
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:45:05 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape and Massive harddrive swapping

Farid Noujaim wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has any information as to why Netscape hogs my
> harddrive swap.  Here's what happens...
> 
> I have a cable modem connected to my linux box running windowmaker.  My box
> is a P200 with 16Megs of RAM (soon to be more).  WindowMaker runs fine as
> long as Netscape doesn't exist on screen.  I open netscape and surf the web
> for about 10-15 minutes at decent speeds.  After that time-frame going from
> page to page gets to be a taxing thing for me and my system.  All I hear is
> the harddrive spinning to catch up with the info coming down the pipe.  I've
> tried to decrease my cache space but that didn't help, increasing it doesn't
> either.  It's getting quite frustrating
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
When you next run netscpe, monitor it with top. You'll soon see what
'modern' software can do with memory ...

Marc

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From: Rick Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Unlimited Kernel updates?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:07:19 -0400


Okay, this may sound like a stupid question, but I just want to make
sure I don't waste $80 when I buy RH 6.0 (I know, I know, but I need a
good Linux book and don't have a good home connection to download apps).

Is it possible for me to just buy an older version of RH (say, 5.2) and
then just update the kernel to 2.2.10?  I assume that all kernels are
backwards-compatible, so what are the advantages to buying newer
versions of distros when you can update from older (and cheaper)
versions?

If it's just that newer versions come with more apps, that's
understandable.  Are there major apps that only work on 2.2.x kernels?
Just wondering.

Rick

--
Chesapeake Sciences Corp.
1127B Benfield Blvd.
Millersville, MD 21108

Tel: (410) 923-1300 x3430
Fax: (410) 923-2669



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Kernel errors?
Date: 18 Jun 1999 15:03:59 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
Stewart Honsberger wrote:
> Jun 17 13:04:09 blackdeath kernel: Symbol table has incorrect version number.
> Jun 17 13:04:09 blackdeath kernel: Cannot find map file.

These look like error messages issued by klogd(8).  See its
man page to see where it looks for the System.map file.

-- 
Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: 2.0.36 kernel and es1370 sound
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 18 Jun 99 19:49:33 GMT

I have a Slackware install with the 2.0.36 kernel, and there are no 
drivers in the kernel tree for the es1370 module (SB PCI128 sound
card).  I also have a RH install and an SuSE install.  Both have 
the source in /usr/src/linux-xxx/drivers/sound for the es1370.
The RH install, however, is glibc and a RH-patched version of the
kernel tree; the SuSE install is also glibc, 2.2.x kernel, and SuSE 
modified kernel tree.

Is there any chance that I could copy the source code out of either 
kernel source for the es1370 module into the Slackware source, 
hack the makefile, and compile on Slackware?  Any particular 
problems that I should watch out for?  (I know, I could just stop 
using the Slackware machine, but I've got everything else working 
on it, and not too motivated to switch to RH or SuSE for my "vital" 
machine.)





-- 
Dave Brown   Austin, TX

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From: Stuart Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.msdos.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:06:48 +0100

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, 9wands wrote:
>John Winters wrote:

>The truth of the matter is that Win9x/NT is a GUI layered on top of a
>highly complex OS, much like Linux and X.

Xfree86 does not do multitasking. Xfree86 does not handle filesystems.
Xfree86 does not do sound. Xfree86 does not do printing. Win9x is a GUI
and an OS extention layered on top of a piss simple OS - there are two
parts (not including DOS) in Win9x - the GUI, and the OS extentions.
Xfree86 is just a GUI.
-- 
Stuart Brady: stuart@wholehog .demon.co.uk

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From: Matt Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to start two X servers?
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:21:17 +0000

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Hello, let's say another person has logged into tty1 in a linux box and started
> X, now I switch to another virtual console(say tty2) and want to startx also,
> what environment variable should I specify or what display should be used? I
> remember seeing someone posting the solution before but can't seem to find it.
> Thanx for your help.

I do this:

startx
<switch to a vt>
startx -- :1

Then, when you are talking about displays, you can use

localhost:1.0 

but this should be set automagically, try printenv DISPLAY to see...

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From: Pieter Blaauw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Quake 3
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:07:16 +0200

Hi ppls

I'm having major hassles getting to the net to play Quake3 test.

I have a P133 running RH 5.2 with IP-masquerading setup. All the
ipchains rules are right. The modules are loaded (inc. ip_masq_quake)
etc.

When trying to play Quake 3 outside the LAN on a server eg. 196.7.0.142
it doesn't connect. The packets seem to travel to the server, but when
it's returned it's not accepted. All other services work fine eg. ftp /
dns / irc / http.

Heeellppp....
Thanx
Pieter




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