Linux-Misc Digest #732, Volume #20 Mon, 21 Jun 99 23:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: SuSE vs Red Hat? (Michel Catudal)
mkntfs (Jerrad Pierce)
Re: Debian advocates (Benoit Goudreault-Emond)
Help with CVS (Joshua Thomas)
Re: How can I controle 'core dump' locations ? (L J Bayuk)
Re: first/second/third world (John S. Dyson)
Re: Linux: now or never ("Seth Rightmer")
Re: Linux vs. Windoze NT - new security hole found in NT. (David Stanaway)
Re: Debian advocates (Steve Lamb)
Re: Debian advocates (John Girash)
Strange happenings at Console (chuanwee)
Re: Conflict between modem and soundcard on RH6 (Jeff Peterson)
compiled kernel with SCSI support (Prasanth)
Re: Debian advocates (Steve Lamb)
pci modem (nitraat)
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: SuSE vs Red Hat?
Date: 21 Jun 1999 19:31:08 -0500
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
>
> there are three things which seem to be hard to install/configure in
> linux - X, ppp and e-mail. X, at least, has the excuse of a plethora
> of video cards and monitors. ppp configuration seems to be getting a
> little more automatic. mail (via sendmail) still sucks. and there is
> no reason for it to suck so much.
>
I was a fanatic of RedHat until I installed SuSE this weekend. I
didn't plan it that way as I went to Grand Rapids to get a 56k modem.
Ameritech has just upgraded my ISP's lines to digital for 56k and
my 33.6k modem works like shit. It crashes pppd with only a reboot
as a cure, sometime even a power down is necessary. I bought a
Viking external modem (imported from Canada) that works great.
I got tempted by the official SuSE 6.1 for $30. To say that I was
impressed is to say very little. In the next few weeks I will delete
my RedHat installation to make more room. My Slackware installation
is now removed.
To setup the ppp just enter a few lines in wvdial.conf and run
wvdial. I didn't have to tell it that my ISP uses PAP, it figured
it out on it's own. I tested the reconnection by flipping the
switch off and on and within 5 secs or so it was dialing again
and I had a 48k connection which is considered excellent around here.
With my 33.6k modem I have never connected higher than 26.4k
On winblows 98 it bombed on reboot and will only boot in
safe mode. I don't understand what it's problem is. Changing
a modem and removing COM3 should not be so traumatic.
Anyhow, how would I restore my boot from NT which resides on
my Win 98 partition if I decide to go the easy way and reinstall
Win 98?
Vive SuSE!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerrad Pierce)
Subject: mkntfs
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:02:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is anyone aware of something along the lines of mkntfs to format an NT
partition?
PS> Please b(cc) me with any replies, thanks!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Benoit Goudreault-Emond)
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Debian advocates
Date: 22 Jun 1999 01:31:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On 19 Jun 1999 19:29:41 GMT, Benoit Goudreault-Emond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >1) Debian is a very high quality distribution. The drawback of this is that
> >it takes forever for them to release a stable version, but I'd rather have
> >them take their time and get quality.
>
> I just wanted to comment on this one. Many people have complained about
> Debian taking "Forever" for new releases to come out. I've not seen that in
[snip]
Well, I'm not complaining per se, but... see below.
[snip]
> My point is this. Debian's releases are really no longer than other
> distributions, they're just not as *short* and, on average, may take 1-2
> months longer, which is acceptable. However, the releases are really minor
> since once can incremently upgrade off the net as development occurs.
> Unstable is actually quite stable. So even though the offical releases with
> numbers and announcements may seem far off, one can be cutting edge with
> Debian if they so choose.
I agree with every point; the only reason I'd like stable releases more
often is that I *must* upgrade by CD because my connection is so slow it's
scary. I still upgrade critical packages through the net, but with each
critical library upgrade eating up our single phone line for 5 hours+, it's
just not practical for me to do it this way. So I have to wait for a CD.
And I'd prefer not to be stuck with CDRs as my antiquated CD-ROM has trouble
with it (Yes, I know, it's time for an upgrade there, but new units are so
blasted *noisy*), so I have to wait for stable.
But you won't get me to switch anytime soon. I love that distribution--it
just "feels right", I guess. And every time I buy a CD set, I send my 5$ to
SPI. I think it's definitely worth it.
I'm certainly not going to congratulate Infomagic for kicking Debian out of
their CD sets, though. OTOH, they messed it up so often, maybe we are
better off like this (I remember that set that forgot to include a little
detail, uh, package xbase... :{) )
--
Benoit Goudreault-Emond
CoFounder, KMS Group ; Student, B. Comp. Eng, Concordia University
``Being too close to a fireball can worry a man --- to death.''
-- Zeb Carter in "The Number of the Beast" by Robert A. Heinlein
Note: the "From:" address is not correct to protect myself against spam.
My actual e-mail address is: ``bgoudem AT axess DOT com''
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From: Joshua Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Help with CVS
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:24:39 -0400
Where can I find a tutorial\FAQ\Howto on CVS and RCS?
Thanks in advance,
Josh Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk)
Subject: Re: How can I controle 'core dump' locations ?
Date: 22 Jun 1999 01:12:24 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi
>
>How can I controle the path, to where a program drops the core ?
>(ulimit is OK)
>
>
>My problem is, that I have a system where one off our programs
>keeps crashing (SIGSEGV), but it seems that is isn't makeing any
>core-files. (or maby the core file is overwritten by another program
>that crashes just after).
>
>Therefor:
>
>1) is is possible to give the corefile another name (core.MyProg)
Linux actually used to do this, but it was taken out. The code is still
there in fs/binfmt_elf.c inside an "#if 0" where it builds the "corefile"
string. You could probably re-activate it if you like.
>2) What is the path to a cor, when:
> cwd is /tmp/, /home/myDir/bin/MyInitprogram spawns
> /home/myDir/bin/coreCrashingProgram (program dies after 6 - 30
> hours)
The corefile is created in the working directory of the dying process.
>3) whar actually generates the core ? somthing in '_exit' ?
No, I think it happens with the kernel delivers certain signals
to a process, like SIGSEGV.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 22 Jun 1999 00:09:21 GMT
In article <7km9e3$bs5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) writes:
>>> The only other option is propaganda techniques. Would you rather
>>> [have] those?
>>
>>You consider demonization and name-calling the only non-propaganda
>>method of debate?
>
> Direct confrontation is usually non-propaganda. We were originally
> concerned with my practice of using terms like exploitation, fascist,
> imperalist and dictatorship to describe the USA. My being sick to
> death of idiots mindlessly repeating the Libertarian Party mantra
> or expressing a cowboy/lynching_mob mentality is another issue.
>
It is fun to see your misuse of English in the terms that you
use to describe the USA. Is it that you don't own a dictionary
and are making up usage, or perhaps maybe you know nothing about
things that you are talking about?
Do you know what being free is? Is freedom what the gov't gives
to you, or is it what you demand of the gov't? Are you the same
person who chooses not to protect yourself from an insane person
or a mugger? Is it that you also choose not to protect yourself
from the excesses of a bureaucratic gov't?
Think of it this way: no governmental system is idealogically
pure, and almost all gov'ts are implemented by a bureaucracy.
The individuals in the bureaucracy are not interested in idealogy,
but are most often interested in their jobs and paychecks. It is
more likely that the bureaucrat will continue to try to expand their
sphere of influence and thereby expanding their job in order to advance.
The effects of this are similar to any kind of non-elected government
leadership. Of course, you are quite welcome to be managed and
controlled by the bureaucrats, in your socialistic (in name only
democracy -- yuck!!!)
You do seem to allude to various pieces of literary fiction as some
kind of intellectual source. I suggest that the star-trek novels
are just as informative, and you can find more like minded people
at the star-trek fairs. Be sure to wear your spock-ears!!! I just
wish that they would beam you up (or is it beam you away?)
>
> Read a book on the subject and you'll change your mind. Propaganda by
> Jacques Ellul is a classic.
>
I suggest that your predictions of how people might change their
minds might be unfounded, since you seem to have little experience
in using one.
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: "Seth Rightmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux: now or never
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:14:38 -1000
You do access it with telnet. It is awful, about as dumb as tamagotchis
themselves. On the other hand, you can use expect to automate feeding the
little bugger, and it will get *enormous*. It comes with Debian, so I
sincerely doubt it's a root access trojan.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Stanaway)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Windoze NT - new security hole found in NT.
Date: 22 Jun 1999 02:12:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Lam wrote:
>
>For a super busy server, I'll choose Solaris.
>
I know one Australian company that is heavily into Ecommerce that uses
Solaris for their webserver, but there database server is Alpha/Linux for
the raw speed for value. From most people I hear that Sparcs don't pack
very much punch for their price tag.. but they do run smoothly under
incredible loads (The Undergraduate servers at Uni were working with a load
of above 80!! and didn't miss a beat.. it was painful though.. waiting for
your keystrokes to echo).. I would love to see how an NT termial server
operates under similar conditions.
If the system was Linux, I suspect the load wouldn't be 80 (Linux is faster
than Solaris by most reports).. but I can't see it doing so well at such loads.
David Stanaway
David Stanaway
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Debian advocates
Date: 22 Jun 1999 02:16:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 22 Jun 1999 01:31:11 GMT, Benoit Goudreault-Emond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>scary. I still upgrade critical packages through the net, but with each
>critical library upgrade eating up our single phone line for 5 hours+, it's
>just not practical for me to do it this way.
You need to sleep, your computer does not. One night, start the download,
go to bed. That is how I did both of my installs over a 28.8k modem.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Debian advocates
Date: 22 Jun 1999 02:01:58 GMT
In col.misc William Tanksley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 21 Jun 1999 04:21:27 GMT, John Girash wrote:
>>I don't think he's asking for security updates for *all* past versions. Just
>>for all past _minor_ versions of the current _major_ version, 2.x . Many open
>>source developers seem to forget that a large part of their target audience
>>is on _production_ machines that can't/won't/shouldn't be subjected to every
>>*minor* OS upgrade as soon as it comes out if it can be avoided. Hamm is a
>>fine, solid release; why abandon it so soon just 'cause slink is sexier?
> We're going to have to artificially compensate (pay) people to do this,
Hey, that's a real defeatist attitude! Why do you assume that it's possible
to find hundreds if not thousands of volunteers to develop Debian, but not
any to offer security support for already-existing releases? Doesn't add up.
I've got a 486 at home that I'll happily test exploits & patches to hamm on.
> because there's no benefit otherwise. It's just too easy to upgrade!
> Even for production machines.
It's not a matter of ease, it's the issue of balancing risks. When does it
become riskier to continue applying security patches and delay upgrading to
the next point-release? Certainly not as soon as each "stable" release is
available. That's just plain reckless. Sure, I trust Debian to get it 99.9%
right before bestowing the "stable" moniker. But opening myself up to get
bit by that last 0.1% would be irresponsible. Test it & let it mellow a bit.
Therefore security support for at least the previous minor version is necessary
in order for Debian to be considered a viable alternative on real-world boxen.
>>Otherwise Debian risks becoming an elitist hackers-only distro I fear.
> Yeah, I don't want that. I hope Corel helps somewhat.
??? How is Corel going to help in this regard?
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:32:38 +0800
From: chuanwee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Strange happenings at Console
Hi,
Recently, on my screen on tty1, the word USE have been appearing mysteriously at
random interval. When not running X Windows, and I leave the computer on
overnight, the screen will be filled with 'USEUSEUSEUSEUSEUSEUSE'
I was using RAID1 but have since stop using it. Could this be a cause ?
Could anyone point me in any direction as to decipher the writing on the
screen.......
I am using Slackware 3.5.
CHeers.
--
ChuanWee
SysAdmin
LGA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Peterson)
Subject: Re: Conflict between modem and soundcard on RH6
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:32:14 GMT
I had the same problem and used the following fix that somebody else
used.
Edit /etc/isapnp.conf and comment out all the lines that deal
with the config of the modem. In my case, it was card 2, so I
commented all line from "#card 2" to "#End tag..".
There is probably a proper fix for this, but I did not quite
understand the layout of that config card.
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From: Prasanth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: compiled kernel with SCSI support
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:56:43 -0400
what size am i looking at , for a kernel supporting the following SCSI
devices
1)mylex DAC960/1100
2)Adaptec 78xx/2944/3944
3)qlogic Fibre channel 2100
4)symbios NCR53C8xx
all pci cards with bios enabled and RAID 0 to 5 preconfigured
as reference a hal91 (some thing like that single floppy linux) interms
of size and features
thanks you
prasanth
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Debian advocates
Date: 22 Jun 1999 02:51:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 22 Jun 1999 02:01:58 GMT, John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hey, that's a real defeatist attitude! Why do you assume that it's possible
>to find hundreds if not thousands of volunteers to develop Debian, but not
>any to offer security support for already-existing releases? Doesn't add up.
>I've got a 486 at home that I'll happily test exploits & patches to hamm on.
It isn't so much patches, but the creation of the package in the
particular environment. What the original person suggestion was maintaining
for each major release of Debian. Debian does that already. But what he
defined as "major" and what Debian defines as "major" are two different
things.
One must remember that since 2.1 came out there have been three minor
revisions of it. 2.1, 2.1r1, 2.1r2 (or 2.1.1, 2.1.2 if you're a stickler,
like I am). 2.2 is going to be a completely different environment with the
jump from glibc 2.0 to glibc 2.1. There was an equally big jump between 2.0
and 2.1.
>Certainly not as soon as each "stable" release is available. That's just
>plain reckless. Sure, I trust Debian to get it 99.9% right before bestowing
>the "stable" moniker. But opening myself up to get bit by that last 0.1%
>would be irresponsible. Test it & let it mellow a bit.
That would be the stage called "Frozen" which is what most people complain
about. They complain that the freeze is too long so that when the release
does roll around the components inside the freeze are "old." Witness Slink
with the latest and greatest version of X. Slink had a, what, 3 month freeze?
That is as long as some complete release cycles of Red Hat and Slackware.
>Therefore security support for at least the previous minor version is
>necessary in order for Debian to be considered a viable alternative on
>real-world boxen.
Which is what Debian does. Security releases are made for Slink (2.1) as
Potato (2.2) is developed.
>??? How is Corel going to help in this regard?
Corel is basing their distribution of Linux on Debian
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: nitraat <"nitraat "@hda.hydro.com>
Subject: pci modem
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:33:14 +0200
Reply-To: thuis
My pci modem works not with Linux, why ?
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