Linux-Misc Digest #910, Volume #20 Sun, 4 Jul 99 01:13:12 EDT
Contents:
FWD:Linux alliance fights against Euro software patents (Alex Lam)
Re: LILO hangs on LI ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Accessing dos files from Linux.
Re: internet speed (Michel Catudal)
want to learn linux ("Mr. Mike")
Re: SuSE-6.1 vs SuSE-6.1 Evaluation (Michel Catudal)
Re: An "ls" question (Carl Fink)
Re: RedHat 6.0 hangs during PPP (Michel Catudal)
Re: seg fault running RealPlayer G2 (Michel Catudal)
Re: cd writer on the fly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mounting a FAT floppy (FUJITA Yasushi)
Re: first/second/third world (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Need opinions- how's S.u.S.E. 6.1 (Michel Catudal)
Re: Mr. Kulisz wisdom ( is there any? ) (Jacob Ratkiewicz)
Non-Root Dial Up Networking (Julian Evans)
Re: mandrake installation trouble (Michel Catudal)
Re: time of day clock drift (Charles M)
Re: LILO hangs on LI (imsk)
Re: LILO hangs on LI (Charles M)
Re: first/second/third world (Richard Kulisz)
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FWD:Linux alliance fights against Euro software patents
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:47:18 -0700
==============FWD=================
Posted 21/06/99 2:03pm by John Lettice ,the Register, London, UK.
Linux alliance fights against Euro software patents
The EU's current plans to extend patent law to software has been
attacked by the
EuroLinux Alliance, which points out that current European patent law
is already being
abused by major companies. The net effect of the continuation of this
abuse, or of new
laws applying patents to software, will be to make life practically
impossible for
smaller software developers.
The subject is due to come up on Thursday at the Intellectual Property
Conference in
Paris, where moving to a US-style patent model will be discussed.
According to the
Alliance, although software isn't patentable in Europe under the
Munich Convention,
the European Patent Office (EPO) has been granting patents which can
be used to
protect programming techniques, computer programmes and software. This
is
happening because of a loophole in the Munich Convention which allows
industrial
inventions based on innovative programming techniques to be patented.
Says the Alliance: "Software Patents granted by the EPO to protect
programming
techniques were very few ten years ago and were mainly used by large
industrial
corporations to protect, for example, computerised oil exploration
techniques." But in
the intervening period the EPO has come under increasing pressure from
companies
trying to patent what they can already patent in the US, where
anything "useful and non
obvious" can be patented. A recent IBM application shows that "the EPO
is now used
to grant patents on extremely elementary, if not obvious, programming
techniques."
The EU is currently considering removing computer programs from the
exceptions list
of the Munich Convention, and this would effectively open the
floodgates. "It would be
possible to use patents to get a monopoly on the use of a business
method or an
electronic commerce method by patenting as such its implementation in
a program for
computers," says the Alliance, which has assembled a group of ten
industry
luminaries, including Tim Berners-Lee, to lobby against the change. It
is also now
possible to sign a letter to the EU Competition Commissioner, opposing
software
patents here:
http://swpat.ffii.org/miert/indexen.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LILO hangs on LI
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:18:58 GMT
I had a machine running linux slackware 2.0 and then I switched to RH6
and had the same problem with LI. It tuned out to be a problem with
the MBR. So I created a dos 6.22 boot disk (copied fdisk.* to the
floppy) and ran fdisk /mbr. Everything worked fine. No more LI at
boot up for Linux. I could not believe that an old dos command would
fix it. What a guess.
On Thu, 01 Jul 1999 17:47:34 -0400, imsk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to configure my system
>to run linux. I must have gone through the RH 5.2 install 50 times. I
>am loading linux on my second hard drive, with Win 98 on my first and
>primary drive. When i switch the BIOS to my second drive, LILO stops
>and hangs after LI. Every time I run the install, it won't allow me to
>make a boot disk when it ask me. I have tried booting from the install
>cd with vmlinuz root =/dev/hdb1 at the boot prompt. Hdb1 is the active
>partition on the second drive, which also includes a swap and another
>linux partition that I set aside for apps. After two pages of test and
>set up, my last two messages are:
>
>VFS: cannot open root device 08:22
>Kernel panic: VFS unable to mount root FS on 08:22
>
>I have looked through the RH manual and relevant HOWTOs. Anyone have a
>clue for me?
>Maybe should mention that I am running a DVD drive as my Cd, but have no
>problems with the install from it. Also have LS-120 for my floppy, but
>that also reads fine. Any help from all you gurus would be greatly
>appreciated!
>
>Thanks in advance.
>Peace and Love,
>Scott Kirkpatrick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Accessing dos files from Linux.
Date: 3 Jul 1999 22:46:51 -0600
On Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:06:21 +0200, Thomas Ruedas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mumbled:
>What I'm doing on my system is to use mtools; although they are most
>frequently used to access floppies, it is also possible to access a dos
>partition with them. You have to specify a letter for your dos partition
>in some conf file (/etc/mtools.conf or so... I don't remember the name).
>Install the mtools if they aren't already and look at the mtools manpage
>for details. When you are done, you can access the dos partition in the
>same way you access a floppy drive.
>Another possibility would be to mount the dos partition. However, I
>didn't do that, so I can't provide details.
It's fairly easy to mount the DOS partition. First you have to
rebuild the kernel with msdos support built in, then in the
/etc/fstab file jst put the following:
/dev/hda* /DOS msdos defaults 1 1
The * is whatever your dos partition is,
you have to mkdir /DOS for a mount point
Then read the man page for all the other stuff for mount.
Then all you have to do is type the following to mount your DOS partition:
mount /DOS
Simple.
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volunteers?"
--P.J. O'Rourke, May 6, 1993
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: internet speed
Date: 3 Jul 1999 22:51:06 -0500
Silviu Minut wrote:
>
> Michel Catudal wrote:
>
> > Silviu Minut wrote:
> >
> > > > Try installing the intelligent dialer that comes standard with
> > > > SuSE 6.1 --> wvdial
> > > > The best dialer I've seen yet.
> > >
> > > > Have you seen xisp?
> > > >
> >
> > How is it different from wvdial?
> >
> >
>
> I don't know, I was asking you. I wouldn't mind giving it a try if it's
> really worth the trouble.
wvdial is what they call an intelligent dialer. It relies on some
entries that yast put in a few files like your DNS nos, name, etc.
There is a wvdial configuration script which I read about after
I installed it. Read a bit, don't do what I did and rush to install.
What I did was enter with an editor the information that I needed.
wvdial uses pppd and writes the proper scripts. You don't even
need to tell it if you need pap as it will fix the file for you
if needed. I use an external modem so when the line misbehave, which
is very common with the shitty Ameritech lines, I flip the switch
off and on and within 5 secs or so I'm back on line. With the
scripts of RedHat 6.0 I often couldn't kill pppd and even when
I seem to have succeeded I had to reboot because I couldn't
access my modem. The modem was internal then, SuSE hadn't had
any problem with that modem.
I use KDE and I put an icon to start wvdial in a xdm and I can
monitor what is going on, neat!
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From: "Mr. Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: want to learn linux
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 17:27:14 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
aloha from big island-hawaii,
please email me directly @ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i have a question, currently i have an old macintosh LCIII 25mhz, i
would categorize myself as an intermediate user, i have a desire to
become more computer literate via books and distance education, one
thing i may be interested in is learning linux, unix.
my question is how much frustration will i be in for, assuming i buy a
new PC and then attempt to partition my hard drive and have a choice of
running windows98 and linux, or is that even possible.
i'm sure some of the frustration will lead to learning, but i don't want
to regret my decision,
further what components of the PC are a must to run linux? do most new
PCs come with generally what i will need. EG if i get 4 gigs of HD,
128mb RAM, an 8mb vid card, aren't there some cards that won't work with
linux.
lastly, i suppose linux crashs less than windows, but do people use
linux for everyday tasks like webrowsing, email, word processing and not
use it at the same time for server functions, or things that linux
uniquely does and therefore one needs linux.
any suggestions besides books on getting started.
there are machines at 300mhz at the linux store specifically "ion"
brand, but i do want to run both windows and linux and not sure if these
products at linux store would support me enough technically and whether
the machines are new and/or any good.
hey thanks for any help here.
or as they say here "mahalo".
M.
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is the very opposite. As far as the reality we
experience is concernedÑand this remember is
the only reality we ever knowÑconsciousness is
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE-6.1 vs SuSE-6.1 Evaluation
Date: 3 Jul 1999 23:09:05 -0500
"Christopher A. Gaul" wrote:
>
> The evaluation version is just that. It's only one CD worth that includes the
> base OS and add-ons (KDE, Gnome, etc.). The full version is 5 CD's and
> contains not only the base OS but also over 800 applications as well. The
> retail version contains the full version PLUS some additional commercial
> add-ons. For example, SuSE 6.1 retail contains a full version of OSS sound
> system, and several special bundled non-freeware apps like IBM's DB/2. Also
> it gets you tech support and one of the best manuals available with any
> distribution.
>
> Christopher A. Gaul
> CyberDyne Systems
>
> Bunbi wrote:
>
> > Can anyone please tell me the difference between the distributions of
> > SuSE-6.1 and SuSE-6.1 Evaluation found on the ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse
> >
> > --
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And consideration that OSS sound alone cost $20, you get this
for cheap at $30 (Barnes and Noble or CompUSA).
Keep in mind that if you have a PCI sound card the version of
OSS Sound in the package will be useless.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,utah.linux
Subject: Re: An "ls" question
Date: 4 Jul 1999 00:06:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:28:32 +0000 Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>You can use emacs *and* man pages... Funny that emacs would be hated,
>considering ksh, bash, and quite a few other programs use the same CTRL
>key sets. :)
I don't *know* the bash command keys, after using Unix shells for
something like nine years. Speaking of documentation: why aren't
they documented in the bash manpage? All the bash manpage has on my
system is a description of a format for defining keybindings.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.0 hangs during PPP
Date: 3 Jul 1999 23:14:01 -0500
"Jonathan K. Shay" wrote:
>
> Help! I'm having difficulty staying online (my phone connection, not a
> computer hardware issue) - can someone help me with this one??
>
> I've got RedHat 6.0 installed, and everytime I complete a PPP connection
> to my ISP, I'm unable to open any programs (Netscape, File Manager,
> Terminal Window... nothing). As soon as I disconnect, everything seems
> to be back to normal. This is Gnome running with Enlightenment.
>
> On a separate issue, how do I go about tricking Linux into seeing my
> LS-120 internal. Is it possible??
>
> Please cc: reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance.
I solved all these problems and more by installing SuSE 6.1
and KDE. I think GNOME is still very buggy, this is unfortunate
since I prefer the Gnome interface. KDE being very stable I had
to go back to it.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: seg fault running RealPlayer G2
Date: 3 Jul 1999 23:19:04 -0500
Mircea wrote:
>
> You need libstdc++-2.8.0-14 (the one that comes with RedHat 5.2).
>
Not necessarily, doing this will certainly make his system unusable.
It works fine on my system. I use the OSS sound driver and
have an ESS 1869 sound card. I use KDE with SuSE 6.1
> MST
>
> Ronald Haynes wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I downloaded the G2 realplayer this morning
> > and installed it... I can run the realplayer
> > (that is get the realplayer but when I try to play
> > a file, either a local file or across the net from
> > within netscape I get a segmentation fault. Any ideas?
Are you using GNOME by any chance?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: cd writer on the fly
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:50:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> I have a TEAC cd writer (SCSI) with a TEAC cd read (SCSI)
>> Can i write cd on the fly ?? especially audio cd,
>> because my hard disk is very small and slow and I would gain time .
>
>> Jerome
>
>What size buffer does the cdr have? I have a yamaha scsi 4x with a 2 meg
>buffer and I can while I surf the net.
>
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I have the TEAC 55S. I'm not sure what you mean by 'on the fly' but,
the man page for cdrecord says you can pipe the output of mksiofs
directly to cdrecord, thus saving the disk space of creating the mkisofs
image. This puts a burden on the computer as far as throughput. I also
think that it doesn't work with every kind of drive, specifically, I don't
think it works with the TEAC55S. However, if what you're interested in
is audio CDs and you already have your files in wav format, you're
set. I use the command:
cdrecord -audio -speed=4 -pad -v dev=6,0 *wav
where I'm in the directory where my wav files are and they all have
names ending it "wav". Note that, again with the TEAC, there seems
to be a limitation in that when you write these files, the disk has
to be 'fixated' (whatever that means, I think it has something to do
with writing header or directory like information about the tracks).
The -nofix option isn't supposed to work with the TEAC 55S. If it did,
from what I understand, you could 'burn' some of your tracks now, then
later burn some more, and only in the last burn do the fixating, which
would be nice if you're tight for disk space. (From what I understand,
you probably could not play the CD until it had been fixated.)
Note that this is not the same as multi-session. My TEAC does
support multi-session (I'm really glad about that, because a primary
use I have for the thing is incremental backups), but that's a different
format than what is used for audio CDs.
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From: FUJITA Yasushi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,redhat.hardware.arch.intel
Subject: Re: Mounting a FAT floppy
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 13:05:28 +0900
If /mnt/floppy is present at your hard drive, type
mount -tvfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
Otherwise, if /floppy is, type
mount -tvfat /dev/fd0 /floppy
See "man mount" for more information.
Yas
Bernhard Ernst wrote:
>
> I tried mounting a floppy disk that is FAT (FAT12 if I am correct)
>
> Using mount -t fvat /mnt/floppy /floppy doesn't work, I know this works for
>
> FAT partitions. I tried the same using /dev/fd0 instead of /mnt/floppy
>
> Any ideas, because in this case using a floppy is my best solution, E-mail
>
> costs too much (but it works), and the other Windoze98 machine doesn't have
>
> a network card.
>
> Bernhard Ernst
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 4 Jul 1999 04:36:23 GMT
In article <p7tf3.1073$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7lkri1$3hv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Oh, pulease! Demonization-reeducation is a standard pattern used by
>>everyone, *especially* right-wingers.
>
>"*especially* right-wingers" is your demonization/reeducation speaking.
>You've admitted that "everyone" does it - presumably including your side.
You again, where's that definition of propaganda I've demanded from you
for the past month? This is only the 7th time I'm asking you for it ...
Marxists do not demonize; Libertarians *are* evil, so we don't need to
misrepresent them as such.
Demonization is part and parcel of the Us-Them dichotomy which is in
turn an integral part of /right-wing/ ideology.
>(And actually, no, not *everyone* does. Just lots of people. There are
>groups that are able to make progress without it.)
Yeah, like academics.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need opinions- how's S.u.S.E. 6.1
Date: 3 Jul 1999 22:54:03 -0500
Adrian Hands wrote:
>
> Michel Catudal wrote:
>
> > Not a command line interface he says?
> > This is new to me as I have never use yast any other way than
> > in the console mode.
>
> Yes, it's console mode, as in xterm, curses...as opposed to requiring
> X...
NO! The console as in Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and then yast
It is almost the same as during install except that installed packages
have i for installed. So if you forgot to install something you just
go on the command line and type yast and return.
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From: Jacob Ratkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Mr. Kulisz wisdom ( is there any? )
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:15:37 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Deep_Blue wrote:
>
> Hi guys
>
> I'm following your debate here,and I have my personal opinions about
> politics as well but WHAT THIS HAVE TO DO with LINUX?
> you're in a wrong newsgroup guys!
> Why don't you start a new newsgroup called something like
> alt.os.linux.general.philosophy as a place to debate all those
> emerging
> problems??
>
I heartily agree. Kill this thread. Give it up, guys. If you
feel compelled to pursue the issue, might you possibly do it
by email so the rest of us don't have to wade through all this
junk? This is a linux newsgroup.
Jacob.
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From: Julian Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Non-Root Dial Up Networking
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:39:55 -0700
I have a dial up ppp account configured as ppp0 and it works fine... as
long as i am in root. To connect i give the command:
ifup ppp0
If i log in as another account and give the same command (after i made some
modifications to the $PATH) it says "Operation not allowed."
I would like to be able to use this command in my other account but do not know
how.
I am Running Red Hat 6.0 and I just installed it, if anyone wants to help that
would be great!
Julian Evans, The Utopian Monkey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mandrake installation trouble
Date: 3 Jul 1999 23:04:06 -0500
Jim_Alvarez wrote:
>
> I had a problem like that on my P233. I had to go into the BIOS and set the
> IDE timing to "FAILSAFE" to get passed it. I don't know if this is the same
> problem your having but try it and see if it helps.
>
Mine crashed after I had choosen the partition to install on.
I had no problem previously with either RedHat 6.0 and later on
with SuSE 6.1
My CD came from cheapbytes, Mandrake 6.0 that is, and I was
installing the French version.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles M)
Subject: Re: time of day clock drift
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:08:43 -0500
In article <377e68c8.8857356@proximus>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> red hat 5.2
> kernel 2.0.36
>
> My clock drifts pretty bad. I found a file: /etc/adjtime which
> contains the one line: 0.0 0 0.0
>
> man adjtime yields nothing. I am assuming this file can be configured
> to correct for clock drift.
>
> Is this correct? and if so, what do the three values mean/do ?
>
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>
Do you leave your machine up all the time and does the clock seem to
drift after long periods of inactivity? I had that problem and after
searching newsgroups came across some things about a bug in Redhat's
power management feature (I was not using power management by the way).
Basically if you BIOS has power management on, Redhat has a bug that
seems to suspend things - including the clock - during long periods of
inactivity. I came in one morning to find the display very slow to
respond (choppy response) and the clock way off (I do not use
screensavers and xset was set off, so nothing should have ever turned off
for any reason). I've since turned off all power management in the BIOS
and have not noticed a problem since (although only time will tell if the
problem resurfaces). I have not, by the way, ever noticed this problem
under Windows, so it does apear to be a Redhat problem (I don't recall
running across mention of it for other distributions, so it probably is
Redhat, not Linux per say that is at fault).
CMM
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From: imsk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO hangs on LI
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:58:45 -0400
Rich Piotrowski wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Did I understand you are mixing SCSI and IDE drives? If so
> we just conquered this one on my son's machine.
>
> Read the LILO How-To! the answer is there.
>
> For us, it involved adding the following lines to lilo.conf;
>
> disk=/dev/sda
> bios=0x80
>
> When all else fails, RTFM! We wasted two hours this time before I went
> to the HOW-TO's
>
> Rich Piotrowski
Thanks Rich,
I don't have a SCSI drive. For some reason my machine thought I did
when I would try to boot Linux. Since I no longer mess with my BIOS, I
don't get that message anymore. Thanks for the time you spent to help
me.
Peace and Love, Scott
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles M)
Subject: Re: LILO hangs on LI
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:38:55 -0500
I've seen this occur when playing around with drive jumpers and LBA
settings. basically Linux (and NT, for what it's worth) don't seem to
like a drive showing incorrect geometry and the jumper's should probably
be set to reflect that. Win 95, 98, etc (i.e. all the GUIs layering 16
bit DOS) cannot see large drives without lying about the geometry and
then mapping it to fake out DOS. On a dual boot machine with an 8.5 GB HD
and a second 11 GB HD that had Windows already on the first HD, I set the
11 GB drive's jumpers to show real geometry, turned LDA off on both
drives in BIOS (otherwise the 11 GB automatically reset it to on),
installed Redhat without linear mode in Lilo, then reset LBA to on. If I
don't reset LBA, I get an LI instead of LILO.
If you chose linear mode in Lilo, then I believe that the disk must have
LBA on during install (kind of the opposite of what I described above) or
you will also have a problem. If anyone knows exactly how all these
things interrelate, I haven't seen any mention of it, but these are my
observations based upon what I've experienced.
I don't know about Mandrake or Caldera, where you have a simplified
version of Partition Magic, they may handle the situation with more grace
(OTOH I've used PM in the past and found it somewhat buggy and limiting,
so maybe not)
CMM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 4 Jul 1999 04:30:38 GMT
In article <j6tf3.1072$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7ll993$dna$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>This is wrong. Ockham's razor actually says that you should pick
>>the Many-World interpretation.
>
>Does it? How is this theory "simpler"?
A deterministic theory + initial conditions constitutes a complete
description of the universe. A nondeterministic theory needs a *hell*
of a lot of added baggage to completely describe the universe.
> In particular, what entities or
>agencies are you allowed to rule out by following Many-World?
You're allowed to rule out "observers", magical mumbo jumbo about "wave
collapse" and the asshole out of which "nondeterminism" springs from.
>And why, pray tell, are you pretending you know anything about physics?
Why are you pretending you know anything about anything?
> You
>readily dismiss Penrose in fields other than his own. Why are you so
>convinced that you are somehow able to tell which of the physicists are right,
>and which are wrong?
Because this isn't a question about physics but about sociology and
philosophy. Moreover, the *correct* experts are quantum cosmologists,
not your run of the mill idiot quantum physicist whose big answer to
questions of interpretation is "shut up, you're giving me a headache",
and they seem to reject the Kobenhavn stupidity.
>(And, come to think of it, why on earth are you accepting without question
>the pronouncements of a linguist about social policy and theory?)
Because he's the preeminent expert in the field; a couple of decades of
study in the area does that to a genius.
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