Linux-Misc Digest #513, Volume #21 Mon, 23 Aug 99 04:13:10 EDT
Contents:
XML SIG meeting Tuesday 24 August 1999: Elliotte Rusty Harold speaks on XML
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Re: manpath is all screwed up (Gary Momarison)
Re: Diskette Longevity (Roland Exler)
Re: Linux file-size limit? (Chris Mahmood)
Re: Linux text editor .. (David M. Cook)
Re: Linux books, Is this a good deal? (David M. Cook)
test (jason daggs)
Re: /etc/bashrc file (Chris Mahmood)
Re: Can't logout (Chris Mahmood)
Re: Linux vs. Unix (Chris Mahmood)
Re: What I think of linux. (Technobyte)
Re: optimizing compilers and the kernel (Paul Kimoto)
Re: modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-{4,5} (Christophe Le Gal)
modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-{4,5} (Neil Zanella)
"Finding Dependancies modules" error!? (root)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,nyc.seminars
Subject: XML SIG meeting Tuesday 24 August 1999: Elliotte Rusty Harold speaks on XML
Date: 23 Aug 1999 06:17:12 GMT
The World OS will be here soon. Most of it has already been built.
What remains to be done is equip XML with interpreters and debug the
cryptographic infrastructure.
http://www.usenix.org/events/dsl99/brochure/techtues.html
Elliotte Rusty Harold is a world renowned XML expert. His latest book on
XML is huge and looks to be even better than his last.
The XMLSIG asks that, if you plan to come, that you register for
this event.
Below is the official notice of the XMLSIG.
Below that is a corrected version of the blurb for my rant on
the World OS.
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
========== Forwarded message ==========
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:56:25 -0400
From: W. E. Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: XML SIG meeting Tuesday 24 August--Elliotte Rusty Harold
The next meeting of the XML SIG of the Object Developers Group
will be held on Tuesday, August 24, 7-9 p.m., at Goldman Sachs,
125 Broad Street, 19th Floor, Room B. (Please note that this is a
change from our usual location at Prudential Securities. The
Goldman Sachs location is just across Broad Street from our usual
venue at 1 New York Plaza.)
The speaker will be Elliotte Rusty Harold, and the topic will be
XML Linking, concentrating on the latest drafts of the XLink (
http://www.w3.org/TR/xlink ) and XPointer (
http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-xptr ) specifications.
Elliotte Rusty Harold ( http://www.macfaq.com/personal.html ) is
the author of _XML: Extensible Markup Language_ (
http://metalab.unc.edu/xml/books/xml/ ) and the newly-published
_The XML Bible_ ( http://metalab.unc.edu/xml/books/bible/ ), and
is well-known for his Cafe con Leche compendium of XML news and
resources ( http://metalab.unc.edu/xml/ ). His presentation to the
SIG will cover a crucial (and too long neglected) component of the
XML family of standards. Those who aim to be well-prepared for
this session might review two chapters of _The XML Bible_ posted
at http://metalab.unc.edu/xml/books/bible/updates/16.html and
http://metalab.unc.edu/xml/books/bible/updates/17.html .
To register for this session, please send a request by email
direct to me mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. You will receive a
confirmation by return email.
FYI, there will be a meeting of the XML SIG in the week of
September 27, exact date, topic, speaker and location to be
announced. The October meeting will be on the 18th (our usual
Monday) at Prudential Securities, 7-9 p.m., with Bob DuCharme
speaking on the W3C Schema Proposal. Announcements, and
instructions for reserving places, will be sent closer to the
dates of these meetings.
Thank you,
Walter Perry
XML SIG Leader
Object Developers Group
<old-blurb last-update-date="22 August 1999">
Subject: Tuesday 27 July 1999, in Manhattan, Jay Sulzberger will rant on
Lisp, XML, Scalable Scripting, and the World OS.
Note that is not an official LXNY event.
I will start at 6:30 pm at Prolifics, 116 John Street, 20th floor, thanks
to the kind invitation of Bruce Ingalls and the cppsig
http://www.cppsig.org .
Map: http://www.cppsig/images/prolifics.gif
Today's http/html protocol stack, even with Java, Office, QT, Javascript,
PHP, and Perl running at both ends of the connection, is too often awkward
for the programmer to use, and annoying for the user to program. XML is
the chosen panacea of the influential W3 Consortium. XML today is almost
entirely simply a well defined syntax for S expressions, which are both
the input and output of the functional core of Lisp, an ancient
traditional language of logicians and programmers. But XML today lacks
the other half of Lisp: the interpreter that, given an S expression, hands
back the value of the S expression. This value is always itself an S
expression, which may again be subjected to evaluation. One of the
advantages of this style of computation is that, to use the offputting
jargon of the Functional Cabal, if all evaluations are really pure
evaluations without "side effects", then using arbitrarily many computers,
rather than just one, or a few, is made considerably easier. Most of the
world's computers today sit idle most of the time. The coming year will
see the construction of the universal XML interpreter, which with an
improved browser, will give us the kernel/interpreter and a shell for the
World OS.
Lisp in action:
http://www.whitehouse.gov
The great XML hoard:
http://www.oasis-open.org/cover
For XML, and indeed every document, down to the last bit, as an
un-evaluated S expression:
http://sanpietro.red-bean.com/~craig/grover
http://www.prescod.net/groves/shorttut
Suggestions for how to evaluate XML:
http://www.xmlscript.org
http://www.risource.org
http://dportal.co.uk/pxml
http://www.xmlforall.com
<thanks to="Phil Wadler" for="reminding me of above site"/>
Databases that are already patently S expressions:
http://www.hsdi.com/qddb
http://www.multivaluedatabases.com
http://www.framerd.org
And in a related story, qscheme is an up and coming contender for
the title "Fastest Interpreted Scheme in the World":
http://www.sof.ch/dan/qscheme/index-e.html
I gave this harangue last year at a meeting of LXNY and I was lucky enough
to be heckled by two distinguished New York Kibologists, and defended by
an entire family of extremely charming hackers, some of whom flew in from
JPL. Perl Mongers and Kibologists are always particularly welcome to come
on down and help deal with the excess cheese.
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
LXNY is an organization in support of the Free Software Movement, and we
welcome all supporters of free software, whether or not you run, or even
like, the Linux kernel, gcc, clisp, cmucl, gcl, cfengine, bc, ABS, Amanda,
Bash, Bison, Yacc, COAS, Eddie, Elegant, Emacs, vim, Erlang, Essence,
FreeDOS, Sather, SmallEiffel, Jacal, apache, the FreeBSD kernel, chimera,
fvwm, fftw, Octave, GNOME, GPG, Guile, gawk, Hello, Jikes, KDE, Perl,
Python, fortune, the Hurd, Gwydion's not-quite-Dylan, Ocaml, oleo, XFree,
Gamora, gdbm, gmp, gnat, gimp, gnuProlog, TeX, gs, gv, Intercal, lilo,
fips, mlos, rpm, mocka, PM, PyBrenda, Gambit, R, readline, qscheme, SIAG,
siod, SCM, SLIB, Screamer, Stalin, STk, sendmail, procmail, Squeak,
SML/NJ, stBasic, units, xscreensaver, XLispStat, XXL, ZOPE, zsh, etc..
What is Free Software? http://www.fsf.org
<old-blurb/>
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Subject: Re: manpath is all screwed up
From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 Aug 1999 22:27:30 -0700
Craig Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I recently installed the qt-2.0.1 rpm, only to find that I cannot use my
> man pages any more...needless to say, for a newbie like myself, this is
> quite a problem. At least, I think that's why I can't use them. I've
> run the command manpath that I just stumbled on looking for access to
> man pages, and it says "/usr/local/qt/man", which I'm pretty sure is the
> reason this is a problem...anyone else have this problem? Does anyone
> know how to solve it...This is one case where I definitely wish I could
> RTFM. Please help.
Sure. Run "locate man.1" (after "updatedb", if necessary) to find the
man man page, then run "man /usr/man/man1/man.1" or whatever and RTFM.
Often your problem is a result of some lame install script defining
MANPATH=/usr/local/qt/man and that's all man uses, loosing other dirs.
The gurus have made it all very complex as usual, but very easy if
you know what to do. I think you just "unset MANPATH" and man will
determine the Qt man path from the Qt bin path you've put in the PATH
variable. You might need to edit /etc/man.config .
--
Look for Linux info at http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml and
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:11:51 +0200
From: Roland Exler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Diskette Longevity
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello. I've been using the same floppy disk for the past two
> months, popping it in and out of my drives several times a day
> and transporting nearly everyday.
>
> Yesterday, I couldn't mount the disk because of some bad sector.
> (don't remember the error.) So my guess is the diskette just wore out.
> Fortunately, I still have my stuff on my hard drive.
>
> Now my question is:
>
> 1. how long do floppy 1.2MB diskettes last?
> 2. Are zip drives more robust?
> 3. If a disk has a few bad sectors, is there anyway to recover what
> might be left on the good sectors? (Perhaps none of my data fell
> on the bad sectors) That is, is there some sort of Norton's
> Utilities for Linux?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Godfrey Degamo
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
I also transport a lot of data between home and the university using
standard floppy disks (1.44MB). The problem I found is, that track
alignment may be different on some drives. As long, as you read the disk
on the same drive, it always reads the disk ok. If you write on another
drive, some of the old maagnetication may reside on one side of the track.
If the first drive wants to read this disk, it gets a mixture of both
data. In this case, even formatting the disk won't help.
I've observed the behaviour you described with a couple of disks some
years ago. Then I used two sets of disks, one for transfer from work to
home, one for the other direction. Each disk is written and formatted only
in one drive, read in a couple of others. Since this date, I've got no
disk errors. My disks are in use for approximately 5 jears now! Some of
my students tried the same with similar results. This strategy has another
advantage too: You've always one revision of your files more on your
disks.
Roland
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linuix.setup
Subject: Re: Linux file-size limit?
Date: 22 Aug 1999 22:20:42 -0700
Michael Grabowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Linux has a file-size limit of 2 GBytes. There were some rumours that
> SGI would release her FS as open source, so that it can be adopted by
> Linux, but by now there is no way to extend thos limitation.
Don't you even bother to read the other replies? No, Linux *does not*
have a 2GB file size limit.
-ckm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Linux text editor ..
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 06:11:19 GMT
On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:56:46 +0200, SkAtAn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am looking for a text editor under linux (console)
>that looks and works like edit.com (microshaft) ..
>for example pico ..
mcedit, we/wpe, fte. You may already have the first two. See
http://freshmeat.net for links.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Linux books, Is this a good deal?
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 06:21:14 GMT
On 21 Aug 1999 19:59:11 PDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Red Hat Linux Unleashed.
Last time I looked at this book it didn't have a lot one would expect in a
book on Redhat. I think the title is a marketing gimmick. Otherwise,
there's a lot of useful info there.
>Linux Programing.
Is this _Beginning Linux Programming_, perhaps? That's an excellent book.
It may be "Teach yourself Linux Programming in 24 Hours". I've only paged
through this one, but it had some interesting stuff in it, particulary an
emphasis on Gnu "standards".
>C++ Unleashed.
See http://www.accu.org/cgi-bin/rvout.cgi?from=0ti_cp&file=cp001828a
Frankly, I think the unleashed books are aimed at people who buy books by
the pound.
>There are 5 CD's too, including Red Hat 5.2.
While this is a bit old, it's very stable compared to 6.0. A good starting
place if your interest is learning unix rather than, say, having a snazzy
desktop out of the box.
Dave Cook
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From: jason daggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 06:19:57 GMT
"Ryan T. Rhea" wrote:
> I am running a machine that is shared among several users. The only
> network connection is an outbound dial-up ppp connection for standard
> internet access (usually for ftp and www only). I have Manrake 6.0
> installed with a custom 2.2.10 kernel.
>
> I do not want any outside (non-local) users to have access to the
> machine under any circumstances. I realize
> the chances of this are slim anyway because the machine isn't always
> connected and the ip address is dynamic. However, the tightest security
> possible is my goal. I have commented out everything in
> /etc/inetd.conf. The only services I have left running (according to a
> portscan) are 'SunRPC' and 'lpd'.
>
> First of all, do I have any need for SunRPC on this non-networked
> machine? If so, how can I be sure that it is
> secure enough to be left up?
>
okiedokie
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: /etc/bashrc file
Date: 22 Aug 1999 22:29:11 -0700
"KARAMVEER SINGH(97007053)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Why not put the .bash_logout you want in /etc/skel, make it owned by
> > > root and not modifiable by them?
> >
> > it'd probably be easier to get the source for bash. grep for
> > .bash_logout and code it so it'll run /etc/bashlogout too. compile,
> > install, voila.
>
> hey can u explain what did u say above...john..
He suggested that you hack the source for bash so that it looks for a
file called '/etc/bashlogout' and runs it if it exists. I suggested
that you create .bash_logout for each user and not let the users
modify it. Bash already runs personal .bash_logout on exit.
-ckm
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Can't logout
Date: 22 Aug 1999 22:34:23 -0700
kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I use RH6 with Gnome. I have a dual boot system, and I have problems
> with time, which means when I log in, usually I have to set the clock
> right away using date -s.
You need to fix your clock. It sounds like Windows is screwing up
your hardware clock.
>As soon as I press the return key, the machine
> logs me out, then I log back in and the time is set OK.
So you are running a logout daemon.
> It turns out that I _cannot_ log out now - choosing logout from the menu
> just has no effect whatsoever.
um, type 'exit' at your login shell.
-ckm
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux vs. Unix
Date: 22 Aug 1999 22:39:22 -0700
Tom Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As I understand things, UNIX isn't really an operating system any
> more. Rather, it's a brand, owned by The Open Group, that gets
> confered on operating systems that successfully jump through certain
> hoops. It's my understanding that Linux has not yet jumped those
> hoops, but could easily be made to via a few additions such as a
> streams package. I also understand that Microsoft has contracted out
> the project of getting Windows NT through those hoops. ;-)
Hmmm, sort of like NT's supposed Posix complience I bet. I remember
about three years ago Caldera was trying to get their distribution
branded. Anyone know what became of this?
-ckm
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From: Technobyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:08:32 -0400
as the record goes i am 14 linux master and code cracker ex-hacker...
hmm. what i have to say is linux taught me what i know... i am first
used a computer when i was 9 years old the experience was great even
though it occured in windows.. but at the age of 10 i got on the net and
secrectly ordered a linux cd and erased my whole windows hd to put on
linux but i got a shock i couldnt get on the net was i isntalled and set
up linux currectly and i thought i was left with a useless piece of shit
os.. but then i started playing with it useing ms-dos commands i knew
and the commands were similar so is started to like it more and more and
i never put windows back on that computer.. then soon i hooked uo my
internet connection currectly and got on the net.. and from this whole
experience i learned something that windows could never teach me!
Lew Pitcher wrote:
>
> Bud Rogers wrote:
> >
> > Mith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Tim Hanson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > alann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >You're right, somewhat. I would be curious as to the average age of Linux
> > > > >users. I'm 34. First computer I ever had my hands on was a Commodore PET.
> > > > >That was a LONG time ago. Right now there are a gazillion Windows users.
> > > >
> > > > 51 here. My first was a Radio Shack PC-2 (still around here someplace), then
>an
> > >
> > > Ya'll are makin me feel really young... 16... first computer experience
> > > was a Apple IIe I believe.... first computer owned was a 286... (later
> > > down the road I did own an XT though...
> >
> > 48. TRS-80 -- remember those? I had a Level II with Expansion
> > Interface. A whopping 48 KB of memory and *two* 5.25" floppies. Then
> > a Color Computer, XT clone, [234]86 clones, couple of pentiums and a
> > PII.
> >
> > DOS 3 to 6.22, OS9, Win3.x, Slackware, SuSE, Debian...
>
> I'm 43
> I still own (and sometimes use) my first personal computer
> (I used many others before purchasing one). It's a Cromemco
> Z2 (4 MHz Z-80, 48Kb memory, 2 8" floppy disks, 300 baud modem)
>
> I've advanced since then.
>
> --
> Lew Pitcher
>
> Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: optimizing compilers and the kernel
Date: 23 Aug 1999 02:18:51 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote:
> I have a Celeron 466 running a heavily-modified Red Hat 5.2 system with
> gcc-2.7.2.3 and "egcs-2.90.27 980315 (1.0.2 release)". I tried to compile
> kernel version 2.2.11 with gcc, and it works. But when I tried it with egcs, it
> oopsed at boot time. I only set the -mpentium flag, having learned long ago not
> to use high-numbered -O optimizations on the kernel, not to mention they
> increase the compile time tremendously. But I remember compiling other kernels
> with egcs with no options other than -mpentium and they worked fine. Does
> anyone know for sure what version of pgcc or egcs can safely be used on 2.2.11,
> or what flags I could set to get it to work?
Linus Torvalds has long advocated using gcc-2.7.2.3 to compile the kernel.
I use gcc-2.95.1 (the current, EGCS-team maintained, FSF-approved gcc
version). The 2.2.11 Makefile automatically turns on the required
"-fno-strict-aliasing" flag, and I edit arch/i386/Makefile so that the
"-march=pentium" flag is turned on.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christophe Le Gal)
Subject: Re: modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-{4,5}
Date: 23 Aug 1999 07:05:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-4
> modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-5
These messages are totally harmless.
However, you can't get rid of then by adding
alias net-pf-4 off
alias net-pf-5 off
in your /etc/conf.modules
--
Christophe Le Gal
Equipe PRIMA / Laboratoire Gravir-Imag
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel : 04 76 61 52 13 / Fax : 04 76 61 52 52
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From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-{4,5}
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:29:51 -0230
Hello,
Upon booting Linux 2.0.36 from Red Hat Linux 5.2 I get the following
error messages:
modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-4
modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-5
How do I fix them? And what are modules net-pf-4 and net-pf-5 anyway
and what do they do?
Thanks,
Neil Zanella
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: "Finding Dependancies modules" error!?
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:05:14 -0400
Hi, everyone:
I installed RH6.0, and also install the kernel source(2.2.5-15 version,
it's RPM version from RH CD). Then I rebuild the kernel. During the
configuration of kernel, I never used "M" option which is module. But
after rebuilt, in the reboot, shows a message:
"Finding dependencies modules", then PC hang there, but I can press
"CTRL+C" to stop this process, then continue to boot and use without any
problems.
But the CTRL+C is pretty stupid, anyone can tell me the reason why this
happened and the solution?
Thanks in advance!
PLease also email me.
Jack
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