Linux-Misc Digest #575, Volume #21 Sun, 29 Aug 99 00:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: What on earth is 'bing'? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
REAL PLAYER in LINUX. Which ver. ("Gilbert Groehn")
Re: REAL PLAYER in LINUX. Which ver. (Justin B Willoughby)
Re: libncurses and glibc2 ("T.E.Dickey")
Re: The Microsoft/Linux Conspiracy (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Re: sendmail relaying external mail (Fabrice Lhomme)
Re: 16Bit Netscape (Bob Martin)
Re: Compiling kernel trouble (Bob Martin)
Re: BIOS: booting Linux from external floppy. (Bob Martin)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Collin W. Hitchcock)
gs ljet4 kyocera FS-680 invalidfileaccess in --.outputpage--
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
This is why RH 6.0 really sucks! (Jack Zhu)
Re: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks! (Paul Kimoto)
Re: The Microsoft/Linux Conspiracy (Spike!)
Re: REAL PLAYER in LINUX. Which ver. (letdown)
Re: The Microsoft/Linux Conspiracy ("Gabriel")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: What on earth is 'bing'?
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:11:56 GMT
what os are you using to access the bing command
I have just tried nt and ciscos ?
Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> Frank v Waveren ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : Just out of curiosity...
>
> : Frank v Waveren
> : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> : ICQ# 10074100
>
> Frank,
>
> 'bing' stands for "bandwidth ping". It is a tool that allows
> you to measure the bandwidth between any 2 routers. Probably
> the most important feature is that you can be at a point A
> on the Internet and from there you can measure the BW between
> points B and C.
>
> In my particular case I manage several sites around the US
> connected to the Internet through several ISPs of widely
> varying quality levels. At a certain site, we were told
> that our connection to the Internet is 56 Kbps, but I suspect
> that somewhere inside my provider's network there is an
> unavoidable "slow link" much slower than 56K and therefore
> we will never be able to achieve the BW that we are paying for.
>
> There is a very similar tool called "traceroute+bing" that can
> trace the list of routers and also give you the BW at every hop.
> I have been unable to make that tool work (the 'bing' part
> always says "unknown"), that's why I am looking for a standalone
> bing.
>
> -Ramon
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From: "Gilbert Groehn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: REAL PLAYER in LINUX. Which ver.
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:20:00 -0400
Hello Fello Linux Devotees;
I have just completed my fourth load of Linux (all Caldera 2.2)
and haven't had so much fun since working on Xerox Parcs
Lisp machines. Linux rekindles the days when computing was
fun and you had to do something beside load a CD and go to
sleep while it loads.
I am about to download Real Player 5 for my Caldera
Open Linux 2.2 box and find that there are three possible
linux versions listed at the Real Player download site.
They Are:
Linux -a.ou
Linux -ELF
Linux -Redhat 5.X
Which of these versions is most compatible
with Calders 2.2 and also KDE 1.1.1 ?
I just installed a 3COM USR V90 modem and it seems
much faster in Linux that Win-98. Maybe its just my
imagination but feels like at least 30% faster.
Any help would be most appreciated. Incidentally
my SB card workd great on the CD player and system
sounds but have not been able to download any sounds
from www using Netscape 4.51 (I thought they all included
a media player but this version apparently does not).
I have another rather foolish question but here goes. Can I use
Suse 6.1 files in the Caldera system? Any conflicts?
Thank much for any help.
Gil Groehn
please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: REAL PLAYER in LINUX. Which ver.
Date: 29 Aug 1999 01:45:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
"Gilbert Groehn" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Hello Fello Linux Devotees;
>
> I am about to download Real Player 5 for my Caldera
> Open Linux 2.2 box and find that there are three possible
> linux versions listed at the Real Player download site.
>
> They Are:
>
> Linux -a.ou
> Linux -ELF
> Linux -Redhat 5.X
>
> Which of these versions is most compatible
> with Calders 2.2 and also KDE 1.1.1 ?
Get the ELF one. I would guess the Redhat 5.x is an ELF RPM but I
don't know without looking into it.
> I have another rather foolish question but here goes. Can I use
> Suse 6.1 files in the Caldera system? Any conflicts?
What kind of files? For what?
- Justin
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: libncurses and glibc2
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:59:38 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Ray Kohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Recently I installed glibc-2.1.1 on a Slackware 4.0 system.
> As I was warned, I had to recompile some of my static libraries,
> ncurses included. After rebuiling, the library runs, but the output
> looks "wrong". Specifically, the lines are formatted incorrectly and
> text is redrawn badly. Is this an incompatibility between glibc2 and
> ncurses? What can I do to fix this?
ncurses is compatible with glibc2 - perhaps there's some leakage from
your previous libc that's confusing the linker.
--
Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Microsoft/Linux Conspiracy
Date: 28 Aug 1999 22:15:54 -0400
Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> Take a good long look at the patch Microsoft publishes for Apache.
> It's a trojan horse. If you install it your security is
> compromised. Does anyone believe this compromise is an *accident*?
Microsoft published the actual code that implements one of their
proprietary protocols? This is great news! So it's buggy -- at least
now we can figure out where the bugs are and have the ability to fix
them.
Christopher Browne wrote:
> DCOM is an obvious "force" that must be resisted.
Or coopted, a la Samba. I should think a Linux port of something
proprietary like this would make it easier to reverse engineer on both
the technical and legal fronts. You can sniff the protocols by adding
code to the Linux side of the DCOM/Linux interface. Microsoft can't
make legal trouble because you're allowed to modify Linux.
Even if DCOM can't be coopted, it's good to have it running on Linux.
If a significant number of people move to Linux from Windows because
DCOM is available, this is a good thing -- Even Linux apps which don't
use DCOM are bolstered by the larger user base. Trying to wean Linux
DCOM users to open protocols is a lot easier than trying to convince
Windows users to switch to Linux.
A fox caught in a snare will knaw off its own leg to escape.
Microsoft is the fox. The Linux community set the snare. The two of
you are complaining that the fox got away.
Divide and conquer.
Collin
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:51:09 +0000
From: Fabrice Lhomme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.sendmail,de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: sendmail relaying external mail
> I'm running a Linux (suse) WebServer (apache 1.3.4)
> with 5 Virtual Domains.
> Everything works fine !
This is due to a new feature of sendmail to prevent relaying mail from
spammers. I had the same problem. Preventing relaying is not possible
when hosting customers web sites (they'd like to send mails to whoever
they want and me too).
The solution consist in editing the sendmail.cf file. Then comment in
ruleset 98 everything concerning spam (from Sspammers to the end of
ruleset in my version 8.8).
As antispam should be a concern, I looked for another way to prevent it.
The only way that cause no problem for I and our customers is to
maintain a database of known spammers and then check sender address in
incoming mail.
Fabrice.
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 16Bit Netscape
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:43:44 +0000
Jim Engstrom wrote:
>
> I trying to enter "www.zone.com" with Netscape communicator 4.6" but it
> always tell me that must have a 32Bits brovser and that it cant run on a
> 16Bit browser. Download Netscape 4,x do it stand in the error so waht
> shall I do? Do any other nice browser that have suport for java exist or
> do I need ti live with this Netscape (crap)? I realy miss a M$ product
> and thats IE5.0
Sounds like the web page you are visiting is having problems determining
what browser you are using. You wasted a download, things compiled on
linux are 32 bit.
Can't say that I miss it, IE always died with some internal error on my
laptop ;)
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compiling kernel trouble
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:05:32 +0000
NF Stevens wrote:
>
> Raul Trujillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I just downloaded kernel 2.2.11 off the internet. I installed it in
> >/usr/src and from there I think it overwrote my previous kernel
> >(2.2.5). I am using SuSE 6.1. I got as far as:
> >make dep clean boot
> >When it gets in 'make boot' it stops and doesn't create my new image.
> >These are my results:
>
> You need to configure the new kernel, run one of "make config",
> "make menuconfig", "make xconfig" or "make oldconfig".
>
> Oldconfig is the easiest; it only prompts you for options which
> are new to the kernel you will be compiling.
>
> Norman
And you should get 2.2.12, .11 has a memory leak that was fixed.
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: BIOS: booting Linux from external floppy.
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:47:29 +0000
Neil Zanella wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Are there any BIOSes out there that allow for booting Linux from external
> floppy?
>
> Thanks,
>
That would depend on the maker of your mother board or computer. there
BIOSs that recognize external devices like LS-120s and zip drives for
booting.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin W. Hitchcock)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: 28 Aug 1999 21:16:49 -0400
> There seem to be dogmatic positions about the evils of Python's
> ability to use whitespace to signify control structures;
> unfortunately, the dogmatic positions seem more often based on blind
> faith than on tenable arguments.
A list of tenable arguments why I hate white-space syntax dependent
languages:
1) A whole slew of trouble with code that uses tabs. Use your
immagination. Read about the history of "make".
2) For bracket grouped languages I prefer the indenting style:
block_start
{
sub_statement
sub_statement
}
In Tcl it's a syntax error to put the opening bracket on a new
line. In Python the brackets don't exist. So now I'm looking at
someone else's hideous code with 240 column lines. It's written so
that it's completely incomprehensible unless you can see whole
lines at a time, so you have to put your editor in wrap mode. If
the brackets exist you can first make sure the code is indented
consistently and then look for opened and closed brackets in the
same column. You can filter out all the line wrap garbage when
you're looking at block structure.
3) If you are trying to write a code generator, white-space syntax
dependent languages are a nightmare. So much easier to produce the
code without worying about indenting and then run a second program
to indent it.
4) You can introduce *hideous* bugs by cutting and pasting between
two differently indented sections of code. When white space
doesn't matter, you just paste and tell your editor to reindent.
None of these are deal breakers -- you can work around all of them.
They just add to the general stress level. I already have enough
stress, thankyou.
Collin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: gs ljet4 kyocera FS-680 invalidfileaccess in --.outputpage--
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:16:26 GMT
Hi to all.
I am having a really wierd problem with ghostscript that has
got me stumped.
As far as I can tell, gs works well when called from ghostview, or
when called from command line. ( gs -dSAFER test.ps ) - I get
to read the file !
However, I can't get it to print to my kyocera FS-680 printer, ( which
emulates PCL5, and therefore should work with -sDEVICE=ljet4 ).
I have tracked the problem a bit - when I run
gs -sDEVICE=ljet4 -dSAFER -sOutputFile=/dev/lp0 test.ps
the printer just chokes, prints a bit of garbage, and gs dies with
the message:
Error: /invalidfileaccess in --.outputpage--
BTW, I switched off lpd cleanly, so there shouldn't be any lockfile (
with ..init.d/lpd stop )
Does anyone out there have any advice on this?
I really have run out of good ideas.
could you also cc them to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jack Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks!
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:06:13 -0400
1. Lots of bug, and much more than ones of RH 5.0 which I used before.
For example: I installed Oracle 8.0.5 for RH 5.0(Kernel 2.2.1)
successfully many times(without doing any Linux side patch update). But
I cannot install on RH 6.0 following the same way I used. Finally I find
a web site to 'teach' me how to install Oracle 8.0.5 under RH6.0. I
mean, this's silly. Backward compatible is very important for OS. In
this point, RH is even worse than MS.
2. Same experience for Oracle 8.1.5.
3. When I try to upgrade to kernel 2.2.11, the boot warning message is
like 'System map don't match'. Does RH force their customers only stick
with Kernel 2.2.5? Really stupid idea.
4.Compare Slackware 4.0 and RH 6.0, which one is better? I never get
chance to try Slackware. I don't need useless fancy things, I only need
the pure Linux. Could anyone tell me which one is better for me,
slackware or RH?
5. Is there anyone has the successful experience that install Oracle
8.0.5(or Oracle 8.1.5) under slackware 4.0 WOTHOUT doing any patch
update for linux(like lots of RH patchs for installing Oracle)?
Anyway, I think RH 5.0 is OK, RH6.0 is worse, much worse. And RH try to
be Microsoft in Linux world, this is absolutely stupid. I already
recommend all my friends get rid of RH products.
Many of them also agree with me, there's a common sense that RH sucks!
Thanks for any suggestion and idea!
Jack
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is why RH 6.0 really sucks!
Date: 28 Aug 1999 23:30:08 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack Zhu wrote:
> 1. Lots of bug, and much more than ones of RH 5.0 which I used before.
> For example: I installed Oracle 8.0.5 for RH 5.0(Kernel 2.2.1)
> successfully many times(without doing any Linux side patch update). But
> I cannot install on RH 6.0 following the same way I used. Finally I find
> a web site to 'teach' me how to install Oracle 8.0.5 under RH6.0.
Why is this Red Hat's problem rather than Oracle's? There are lots of
postings saying something like, "Oracle wants me to do _____; how do I
do that?" Why is it only Oracle's users who want to do this particular
task, and why don't they tell their users how to do it?
> 3. When I try to upgrade to kernel 2.2.11, the boot warning message is
> like 'System map don't match'. Does RH force their customers only stick
> with Kernel 2.2.5?
This warning message is issued by klogd(8), and IS NOT SERIOUS.
I suggest that you read the appropriate man page. By the way, you
could have learned this by reading these newsgroups for a week or so,
or by using the Deja archives.
> 4.Compare Slackware 4.0 and RH 6.0, which one is better? I never get
> chance to try Slackware. I don't need useless fancy things, I only need
> the pure Linux.
What do you mean by "pure"? Linux is a kernel. You can get that from
kernel.org.
> Anyway, I think RH 5.0 is OK, RH6.0 is worse, much worse. And RH try to
> be Microsoft in Linux world, this is absolutely stupid. I already
> recommend all my friends get rid of RH products.
I like Debian, but I don't see that Red Hat deserves this opprobrium.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Microsoft/Linux Conspiracy
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:53:31 +0100
Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Exactly,
> MS will not let go easily and it has practically endless
> resources.
> those who believe that Linux is safe just because they
> can't
> imagine what ms will do next are sitting penguins.
> My guess is that sooner or later ms will buy one of the
> distributions and start playing with it.
At which point, the rest of the linux community will mark that distro as
dead...
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From: letdown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: REAL PLAYER in LINUX. Which ver.
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:41:12 -0400
Gilbert Groehn wrote:
> Hello Fello Linux Devotees;
>
> I have just completed my fourth load of Linux (all Caldera 2.2)
> and haven't had so much fun since working on Xerox Parcs
> Lisp machines. Linux rekindles the days when computing was
> fun and you had to do something beside load a CD and go to
> sleep while it loads.
>
> I am about to download Real Player 5 for my Caldera
> Open Linux 2.2 box and find that there are three possible
> linux versions listed at the Real Player download site.
>
> They Are:
>
> Linux -a.ou
> Linux -ELF
> Linux -Redhat 5.X
>
> Which of these versions is most compatible
> with Calders 2.2 and also KDE 1.1.1 ?
>
> I just installed a 3COM USR V90 modem and it seems
> much faster in Linux that Win-98. Maybe its just my
> imagination but feels like at least 30% faster.
> Any help would be most appreciated. Incidentally
> my SB card workd great on the CD player and system
> sounds but have not been able to download any sounds
> from www using Netscape 4.51 (I thought they all included
> a media player but this version apparently does not).
>
> I have another rather foolish question but here goes. Can I use
> Suse 6.1 files in the Caldera system? Any conflicts?
>
> Thank much for any help.
>
> Gil Groehn
> please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I used the Red Hat 5.x version and it ran fine with KDE and Red Hat 5.2.
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From: "Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Microsoft/Linux Conspiracy
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:52:26 -0400 (EDT)
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:53:31 +0100, Spike! wrote:
>Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Exactly,
>> MS will not let go easily and it has practically endless
>> resources.
>> those who believe that Linux is safe just because they
>> can't
>> imagine what ms will do next are sitting penguins.
>> My guess is that sooner or later ms will buy one of the
>> distributions and start playing with it.
>
>At which point, the rest of the linux community will mark that distro as
>dead...
That is assuming that the community is last year's
community. I'm afraid
some of the people and companies who jumped on the wagon in
the
last year will see reasons to welcome MS, which will bring
muscle and
money, and a promise to make some pet projects "better."
The result could be a fork.
Gabriel
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Gabriel
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