Linux-Misc Digest #661, Volume #24 Wed, 31 May 00 03:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Applixware mailing list? Is it still around? (Phillip Deackes)
Re: How to make X program remember position & size? (Silviu Minut)
Re: How to use groups (Harlan Grove)
Re: Can't view png images (Praedor Tempus)
Re: reccommended partitions and sizes ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Remove strange -M file? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Apache/php/mysql building everything for Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Unzip problem??? (brian moore)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? (Sak Wathanasin)
Re: Unzip problem??? (Dowe Keller)
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? (Peter Radcliffe)
Re: Composite characters through ASCII code (Luca Zancan)
Re: democracy? (Mark Wilden)
Help ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: democracy? (Mark Wilden)
Re: Unzip problem??? ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Re: no sound from audio CDs in SuSE6.4 ("Mikael Nygaard")
Re: What is Enlightenment? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? (Dave Schanen)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phillip Deackes)
Subject: Re: Applixware mailing list? Is it still around?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:36:39 GMT
In article <8gun8a$pq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoffrey S. Zub wrote:
>Try:
>http://www.vistasource.com/services/support/maillist
Cheers, Geoff. Missed that one.
--
Phillip Deackes
Using Storm Linux 2000
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to make X program remember position & size?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:20:25 -0400
I don't think you can make X programs remember their position and size,
but you can make them start where you want and have the size you want.
You must use -geometry. Do a man X. For instance,
xdvi -geometry 702x790-25+3
Once you figure out the right size and position, stick the command in
some rc file (in ~/.bashrc if you want the change only for yourself, or
in /etc/bashrc if you want it for any user). For instance, in my
/etc/bashrc I have
alias xdvi='xdvi -geometry 702x790-25+3'
For the change to take effect you must log out, or, you must source the
rc file ( e.g. source .bashrc).
Also, AfterStep, can remember all of your desktop, as it was when you
logged out. This may not be what you want though.
ricker wrote:
> Is there any way to make X programs remember their position and size?
> When running most X programs I have to resize and re-position them
> when they start ,which waste a lot of time.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ricker
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to use groups
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 05:15:36 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marc D Bumble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In UNIX, users can have multiple groups. In the /etc/group file,
>user names are simply appended to the end of the group entry, as
<snip>
> do a man on group, groups, and id.
Well, I did info rather than man on groups, and I had read about
/etc/group. The point I didn't make well is that under NetWare it's
possible to create directories in which newly created files may be
accessed by members of multiple distinct groups. This doesn't appear to
be the case with linux. Files seem to be given the effective GID of the
user who creates them, and other groups to which the user belongs would
be irrelevant because only the effective GID matters. No?
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't view png images
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:40:50 -0600
Andreas Kahari wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't get it. I have libpng installed, and I have plugger
> > installed for use with my Netscape 4.72 yet whenever I try to
> > open a png image on a website, I get a message that it is an
> > unknown or unsupported image type.
[...]
> Don't let Plugger have anything to do with PNG images. Netscape can view
> them fine without Plugger.
>
> I guess you should remove all PNG entries from your mailcap file
> (~/.mailcap), but don't let me fool you because I've never done it (I've
> just installed Plugger, been annoyed about that PNG stuff and removed
> Plugger because of it since I didn't need it anyway).
I kept plugger but deleted the mime-types for png in "Applications"
that were assigned to plugger. I checked the .mailcap and saw
no mention at all of pngs. In any case, deleting the png mime-types
fixed the problem. I can now see png files in Netscape.
praedor
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: reccommended partitions and sizes
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:32:49 -0500
On Wed, 31 May 2000, Amit Ghosh wrote:
+ In article
+ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Andrew
+ N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ > On 30 May 2000, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
+ >
+ > [ disclaimer: the following is an issue I feel strongly about, please
+ > forgive me if I sound overbearing.. But I have had to clean up behind
+ > too many sloppy admins before on disk/FS issues. :-) ]
+ >
+ > + Amit Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ > + : For a home system my recomendations would be
+ > +
+ > + : 1. 16 MB for /boot
+ > + : 2. 80 - 100 MB for /
+ > + : 3. 800 - 1600 MB for /usr
+ > + : 4. 200 - 300 MB for /usr/local
+ > + : 5. 200 - 300 MB for /var
+ > + : 6. What's left for /home
+ > + : 7. Link /opt to /usr...
+ > + : 8. Link /tmp to /var...
+ > +
+ > + I would second this scheme. It's entirely adequate. I would suggest
+ > he
+ > + needs the top end of the range you specified for /usr (1600MB, maybe
+ > + 2GB) as he is linking /opt in there. I'd also leave considerably
+ > more
+ > + space for /var nowadays, as there's space to burn on disks, and he
+ > may
+ > + wish to burn space on cd's ...
+ >
+ > I would like to point out that I would whole heartedly NOT recommend
+ > that partitioning scheme. I agree with everything up to step 7. /opt
+ > is meant to server a *totally* different purpose than
+ > /usr. Similarly, /tmp is meant to serve a totally different purpose
+ > than /var. The two should *not* be linked. Now I would say that it
+ > is fine to link /tmp to /var/tmp, but not just /var. However, you may
+ > wish to put /tmp on a RAM disk and use /var/tmp and more 'permanant'
+ > temporary storage. /tmp should be cleaned at boot, /var should not.
+ > Also I would add a swap partition if that has not be addressed.
+
+ Hi,
+
+ Please notice that I put "..." after /opt and /tmp. Of cause
+ one should NOT link /opt to /usr and /tmp to /var but to a
+ directory beneath.
I did not know what that meant... I really thought nothing of the
'...'. I apologize for jumping to conclusions then, however you could
have been more explicit. :-) In the case of /opt I still would not link
it to anything under /usr. /opt is for the 'installation of additional
software packages'. /usr is for 'shareable read-only data, and should
not be written to'. /usr/local is 'for se by the system administrator
when installing software locally.', this generally means compiled
source, but is often used for packages as well, even though that is
what /opt is for. I believe the cause of that is the old BSD vs.
SVR4 debate.
Regards,
anm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Remove strange -M file?
Date: 31 May 2000 01:46:22 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James Silverton wrote:
> Following "Unix Power Tools", you can sometimes find a wild card to do
> the removal
What can they have in mind? If you have a file called "-M", then the
shell will expand
$ rm *
to something like
$ rm -M [and other files]
and rm(1) will interpret "-M" as a flag.
Some people used to put a file called "-i" in directories, so that
$ rm *
would expand to
$ rm -i [list of files]
Of course, a file called "-f" would have the opposite (destructive)
effect ...
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Apache/php/mysql building everything for Linux?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 05:37:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Williams) wrote:
> Can any one point me towards some newer web
pages that outline compiling the
> following together:
>
> apache 1.3.12
> php 4.0.0
> modssl 2.6.4
> openssl 0.9.5
> gd 1.3
> mysql 3.22.32
>
> Thanks.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Unzip problem???
Date: 31 May 2000 05:56:42 GMT
On Wed, 31 May 2000 04:55:39 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know how I could unzip a self-extracting .exe file on linux?
With 'unzip'? (It's smart enough to spot the SFX header and skip it.)
--
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 31 May 2000 05:45:15 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <8h1ip5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bb@bb> wrote:
:>In article <8h0lk5$b9b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:>I guess then it is true what they say about linux. it is free for those
:>whose time is worthless.
:>Time is money. Are you so worthless that your time is worth nothing?
: What does that mean? Linux is faster than most of the alternatives.
: Are you offering to come over and re-install my Windows printer driver
: for free the next time it decides to destroy itself? It is easy enough
The guy appears to be a kind of Eliza. If you check his posts you find
that he (?) simply responds to anything with a insult plus chacterization
of the previous post as stupid. He makes to attempt at a
semantically meaningful reply.
He's either at a psychiatric institution or is an auto-reply program.
Peter
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Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
From: Sak Wathanasin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:11:47 +0100
In article <8h18q8$4uh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Casper H.S. Dik -
Network Security Engineer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there anything special you need to do under Linux? Does it
> default to using DMA?
No it doesn't unless you're running the 2.3/2.4 test kernels. I put the
following in my rc.local:
hdparm -c1 -u1 -d1 -m16 /dev/hda
> W/ fast SCSI disks, even older Sun's can do 20MB/s.
I'll take your word for it: you'd have to be using something like a 10K
RPM U2W drive and that probably costs more than I paid for my SS20 and
probably even my PIII/500. There's no disputing that fast SCSI drives
are faster than IDE drives (didn't see any 10K RPM IDE drives last time
I looked), but there isn't that big a difference between them anymore,
and it's time to do away with that "ugh, IDE - must be slow" attitude.
--
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Network Analysis Limited
178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (+44) 24 76 419996 Fax: (+44) 24 76 690690
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller)
Subject: Re: Unzip problem???
Date: 30 May 2000 22:45:54 -0700
On Wed, 31 May 2000 04:55:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know how I could unzip a self-extracting .exe file on linux?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Zen
The only thing I can think of is to run it from dosemu (if you have it).
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From: 26$10$[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Radcliffe)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: 31 May 2000 06:27:59 GMT
Sak Wathanasin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> probably said:
>I'll take your word for it: you'd have to be using something like a 10K
>RPM U2W drive and that probably costs more than I paid for my SS20 and
I believe Casper was talking about the scsi bus speed on the older
sparcs. I get nontrivial disk bandwidth with just Wide 7200rpm disks
on my SS20s.
>probably even my PIII/500. There's no disputing that fast SCSI drives
>are faster than IDE drives (didn't see any 10K RPM IDE drives last time
>I looked), but there isn't that big a difference between them anymore,
>and it's time to do away with that "ugh, IDE - must be slow" attitude.
There is far more to usable speed than the rpm or the bus speed of a
disk - scsi supports tagged command queuing, disconnected operation,
etc, etc, all things which benifit a multiuser[1] machine considerably.
The difference is narrowing for j.random windows user who is doing one
thing at a time. The difference is still not closed and I'm not
j.random windows user.
IDE - urgh. Still true for me, even with UDMA/66 disks.
P.
[1] and just me using a desktop box will often count as "multiuser"
since I'm often doing half a dozen or more things at once that
will load the machine and the disks.
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From: Luca Zancan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Composite characters through ASCII code
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:29:32 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I apologize for my bad description of the problem...
In effect I'm simply trying to write "strange chars" in a editor (vi).
Thank you again,
Luca
Andreas Kahari wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I have got the need of using composite characters in a shell script.
> I'm
> >
> > on a RedHat 6.1, with X Windows. I've tried with LEFT-ALT + decimal
> > value ASCII code (numeric pad) + LEFT-ALT-release, but this does not
> > work.
> > How is it possible to write a character through its ASCII code? I've
> > read the Keyboard HOWTO, but with no results...
> > Thank you very much,
>
> What do you want to do? Do you want to write ASCII codes from a shell
> script á la "echo $'\045'" (will print a '%' (ASCII octal 045)) or do
> you simply want to enter strange things into the editor? In that case:
> Which editor?
>
> /A
>
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:50:01 +0100
"Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 May 2000, Mark Wilden wrote:
>
> + I'll have to take your word for it, since I haven't met any. My mom, for
> + example, thinks Windows is 'fine' (when I asked her), but she'd never
> + say it was the best OS around, since she's never used another one.
>
> Well I have met people who claim just that... If you ever read any
> of the threads at say Slashdot ( there are others ), you will see
> those who purport their OS (not just Windows, but including Windows)
> to be 'the best'.
I'll accept that. What I disagree with is that the average person feels
that way.
> Well for me, satisfying my curiosity makes me happy, to each his own
> I suppose. I just can't see 'blissful ignorance' as being a good thing.
> Point and counterpoint, I suppose we will have to agree to disagree
> on this.
It's not a disagreement between us. I of course share your curiosity.
Nevertheless, it has its bounds. There are a number of 'idiots' out
there who are absolutely potty about football or cars or
fly-fishing--subjects on which I (and perhaps you) have zero curiosity.
> Nope, I wasn't the person who said that all people are idiots...
> I just pointed out some examples of what the person who stated
> that meant. I do however believe that in _most_ cases a person
> will behave more intelligently when left to his own devices, rather
> than when involved in a crowd.
Of course, we weren't really talking about humans in crowds, but humans
in general.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:40:42 GMT
Hi,
I'm programming in C under Linux, and I want to
get a character from stdin without waiting for
a CR, could anyone help me how to implement ?
Thanks.
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:51:00 +0100
Robert J Carter wrote:
>
> Actually, no. By definition, individuals are on average NOT quite
> intelligent, but of average intelligence.
Exactly. Saying that most people are idiots is like saying most people
are short.
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unzip problem???
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:25:59 -0400
I don't believe you can. More importantly, why would you want to?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how I could unzip a self-extracting .exe file on linux?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Zen
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From: "Mikael Nygaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: no sound from audio CDs in SuSE6.4
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:55:00 +0200
I had the same problem after installing SuSE 6.4. Turned out that the volume
setting for the CD was set at 0. You can see the setting in any audio mixer
app (e.g. kmix).
Mikael
> > JC Vollmer wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello.
> > > I've just installed SuSE Linux 6.4 on my PentiumII/450.
> > > I've noticed that when I try to play an audio CD with Kscd,
> > > I can see the readout indicating that it is playing, but I
> > > get no sound.
> > > I have no difficulty playing .wav files, so I know that the
> > > SoundBlaster16 is working. Still, I'd like to be able to play
> > > audio CDs.
> > >
> > > Is there something I've neglected to enable?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What is Enlightenment?
Date: 31 May 2000 00:01:17 PST
Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Enlightenment is a journey which is different for every man
> only you will know when you have found it.
I found it on my Red Hat 6.2 CD. It wasn't really much of
a journey. If only the Buddha had know about Linux.
--
Neil
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From: Dave Schanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:09:45 -0500
"Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer" wrote:
>
> Is there anything special you need to do under Linux? Does it
> default to using DMA? For some reason I get 20MB/s on Solaris 8/Intel
> (virtually no CPU use) but only 5MB/s under Linux (since this is the
> same as Solaris w/o DMA, I assme I'm missing something)
Your kernel probably doesn't support dma or isn't using it by default,
if you use 'make menuconfig' or 'make xconfig' to re-compile it, under
'block devices' and 'Generic PCI IDE chipset support' there is a 'use
DMA by default when available' option and a 'Generic PCI bus-master DMA
support' option which you'll want to have in the kernel. Block device
modules seem to be slower and buggy too, so you'll want to compile those
in rather than use modules in you need performance. Good Luck.
Dave-o
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